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DrunkenNinja Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance 15	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:07:00 - [1] - Quote Hi guys, do you think lowsec deserves some attention in the coming patches? What I mean by this is: Are there really enough people profiting from lowsec and dangerous activities in general? This isn't just pirates fighting pirates in lowsecGÇöit's miners, missioners, etc who venture out into lowsec space for higher risk but increased reward. So if they manage to make it out of lowsec without getting blown up, they should gain more than a player who stays totally safe in hisec. However, hisec would still be extremely profitable due to the risks of low sec space. I raise these points now because lots of people I talk to in game say things like "Lol mining or missioning in lowsec is pointless.", and lowsec systems in general are far less populated than hisec ones. Is this really the kind of environment we desire in EVE? Isn't one of EVE slogans "Dare to be bold."? Wouldn't increasing the profitability of low security space encourage boldness?
March rabbit Aliastra 274	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:20:00 - [2] - Quote some people say: yes other (and i trust them) say: nope, increased profits won't make low-sec more populated. And about "dare to be bold". Eve gives you a choices. It's up to you to choose something. Your choice - low sec. That's ok. My choice for nearest time - high sec (got bored by 0.0 sec). Noone forces us to choose one option or another. Then why rewarding one of them?
DrunkenNinja Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance 15	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:24:00 - [3] - Quote March rabbit wrote: some people say: yes other (and i trust them) say: nope, increased profits won't make low-sec more populated. And about "dare to be bold". Eve gives you a choices. It's up to you to choose something. Your choice - low sec. That's ok. My choice for nearest time - high sec (got bored by 0.0 sec). Noone forces us to choose one option or another. Then why rewarding one of them? I'd say it's pretty darn likely that increased profits WOULD make lowsec more populated, and more people would fight over these resources.
Kehro Urgus Ab Obice Saevior 517	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:24:00 - [4] - Quote Low sec would be much more popular if it had concord. I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
Luke Visteen Apostasy Prime 114	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:37:00 - [5] - Quote there would be no low-sec if CONCORD was to be deployed there lol. low-sec = high-sec without CONCORD. I don't always do. But when I do - I do.
March rabbit Aliastra 274	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:42:00 - [6] - Quote DrunkenNinja wrote: March rabbit wrote: some people say: yes other (and i trust them) say: nope, increased profits won't make low-sec more populated. And about "dare to be bold". Eve gives you a choices. It's up to you to choose something. Your choice - low sec. That's ok. My choice for nearest time - high sec (got bored by 0.0 sec). Noone forces us to choose one option or another. Then why rewarding one of them? I'd say it's pretty darn likely that increased profits WOULD make lowsec more populated, and more people would fight over these resourcesGÇöwhich I would find fun. 0.0 sec shows: rich resources not always provoke conflict. Take a look to moons income. However i don't want to argue here because this question has like 100+ threads in this forum. Let's not start another one. DrunkenNinja wrote: I'm not saying nerf your ability to play it safe and make a steady ISK income. Just allow players to take greater risks for greater rewards. Boosting one area -> more ISK into game -> prices for everything growing == nerf for all other areas And low-sec is already more rewarding than high-sec. Kehro Urgus wrote: Low sec would be much more popular if it had concord. It's more likely
Kalen Pavle Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:47:00 - [7] - Quote Just allow people to claim sov in lowsec already. Maybe throw in some **** about a war with the empire factions for it. Add some sort of new resources for some sort of new profession that requires sov to access.
Nyla Skin Maximum fun chamber 123	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:49:00 - [8] - Quote Kehro Urgus wrote: Low sec would be much more popular if it had concord. It would also be more popular if it didnt have sentry guns. I consider lowsec as null without any profitable stuff but where I can travel more safely without having to worry about fast tacklers. Lowsec can be fun if youre in FW, but other than that most pvp is of the stupid sort (like station games etc that happen because of the sentry guns. ) And there is always the chance for a hotdrop +í la null if you think you can actually do something important in there. Restrictions just kill lowsec. And it still doesnt have good sites etc. At least in null you can freely engage in a duel or smallgang fight at gates without worrying about sentries.
DrunkenNinja Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance 15	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:51:00 - [9] - Quote DrunkenNinja wrote: I'm not saying nerf your ability to play it safe and make a steady ISK income. Just allow players to take greater risks for greater rewards. Boosting one area -> more ISK into game -> prices for everything growing == nerf for all other areas And low-sec is already more rewarding than high-sec. Kehro Urgus wrote: Low sec would be much more popular if it had concord. It's more likely [/quote] Assuming you're right, are you really saying lowsec DOESN'T need a buff, and the the risks aren't VASTLY disproportionate to the rewards? If hi-sec and low-sec risk vs reward was balanced, why is the population in lowsec so low? Because it isn't balanced.
Alara IonStorm 3600	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:55:00 - [10] - Quote The buff I want for low sec. Pirate PvE. Right now non industrially the way to earn cash is to shoot Pirate Faction Rats with a Concord Bounty. Instead I would like to see targets that are not other Pirates. Targets for Pirates in which you lose Sec Status for Attacking. The idea. * Non Combat NPC Spawns. * The locations: Gates, Planets, Stations, Belts, Anomalies, Scan Sites. * The challenge: NPC Mercenary / Security Defenders spawning on a chance based system which scales up in size and occurrence by target value. * Small flat Sec Status Loss for participating at all, not by target. * Rewards: Dropped goods that can be sold on the market, possibly some sold to NPC's. Some of it might be illegal. Defense Attributes. * Target Non Combat Ship Warps Away and de-spawns if not Pointed. * Attack Ships Warp in after Aggro on Target Non Combat Ship. * Attack Ships: MWD, Warp Scramble, Web, Nuet, EWAR, Multiple Dmg Types, Logi and Switch Targets. * Attack Ships Warp Away and despawn in low Hull if not Scrambled. New ships take their place after a short time. * Incursion Style Tactics. * Chance Based on how many show up. * Sentry Guns do not interfere with this on a gate or station but you can be attacked as Pirate for 15min without Gun interference even if you are + Sec Status. The Targets by Value. * Shuttles / Luxury Yachts / Exploration Frigates / Zephyrs / ORE Frigates 5000 - 10k HP / 10-100m3 Cargo - Solo or a couple cheapy ships. - Newbie Rewards. - Low Chance of Defender Ship. * Haulers / Primae's / Noctis / Barges 30-50k HP / 500-2000m3 Cargo: - Solo in a Bigger Ships or with a few friends depending on spawn size. - Good Rewards for a one to a few people. - High Chance of Defender Fleet. * Transport Ships / Exhumers 50-75k HP 1000-4000m3 Cargo - Gang Sized Targets. - Good Rewards for a Gang. - Defense Fleet will show in various sizes. * Freighters / Orca 200k HP 15000-50000m3 Cargo - 10-25 Man Fleet Required. - Great Rewards for a Fleet. - It's a Trap!... Really Big Defense Fleet. Basically they are random appearances of Pirate worthy targets that when attacked spawn a fleet of Incursion / Sleeper Style Mercenary Ships to defend them and if you win you can yank the cargo. The less people you bring the more to go around but the more risk of being Scrammed and offed, the more the less rewards to split. Sometimes it is a roll of the dice whether to attack and you have to decide if target of said value is worth the risk or if you want to keep walking.

Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 605	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:58:00 - [11] - Quote Lowsec doesn't need a buff, it needs a complete re-imagining. Right now it's a strange hybrid between the worst aspects of highsec and the worst aspects of nullsec without any of the benefits of either. You give up all of the safeties of highsec , and yet PVP comes with sec status hits and restrictions on bubbles, and PVE just doesn't reward as well as null. About the only thing it has going for it is Faction Warfare. Of all the tasks CCP has ahead of them, finding a true purpose for lowsec is probably their hardest one. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Ruskarn Andedare Lion Investments 15	Posted - 2012.11.29 10:59:00 - [12] - Quote Kalen Pavle wrote: Just allow people to claim sov in lowsec already. Maybe throw in some **** about a war with the empire factions for it. Add some sort of new resources for some sort of new profession that requires sov to access. Wouldn't losec sov just lead to locking others out of those areas once the initial land rush was over? What would be better in my mind would be more gate links between high and low - more gates would mean less likelihood of running into the entry system gate camps that put a lot of players off attempting access to losec after their first attempts.
Mirima Thurander Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition 423	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:00:00 - [13] - Quote Null and low are fine. Truly high sec needs hit with a freaking nurf CANON. If u live in high sec 100% of the time you don't truly need to make over 200 to 300 million a WEEK. But CCP to freaking slow about fixing things now everyone thinks there entitled to 500m + a day in high sec " or they will quit ". If your playing eve to pay for eve news flash you now have a 2nd job. I had a big post then thought why bother ccps not going to fix it. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 507	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:07:00 - [14] - Quote DrunkenNinja wrote: If hi-sec and low-sec risk vs reward was balanced, why is the population in lowsec so low? Because it isn't balanced. It's got nothing to do with rewards, it's purely about players being risk averse. The only way to make risk averse players want to go into low sec is to give them ridiculously high rewards which make the risk irrelevant. Oh god.
Kurt Saken State War Academy Caldari State 13	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:09:00 - [15] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: If your playing eve to pay for eve news flash you now have a 2nd job. This quote is full of win. The best part is that many people here are so proud of having a second and tedious job. Hilarious.
DrunkenNinja Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance 15	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:11:00 - [16] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: DrunkenNinja wrote: If hi-sec and low-sec risk vs reward was balanced, why is the population in lowsec so low? Because it isn't balanced. It's got nothing to do with rewards, it's purely about players being risk averse. The only way to make risk averse players want to go into low sec is to give them ridiculously high rewards which make the risk irrelevant. No it isn't. Players are "risk adverse" in EVE because there's no real incentive to take the risks.
Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 507	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:15:00 - [17] - Quote You realise you just said exactly the same thing I just said, right? Only the way I said it holds more truth. Oh god.
Snow Axe GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 605	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:15:00 - [18] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: DrunkenNinja wrote: If hi-sec and low-sec risk vs reward was balanced, why is the population in lowsec so low? Because it isn't balanced. It's got nothing to do with rewards, it's purely about players being risk averse. The only way to make risk averse players want to go into low sec is to give them ridiculously high rewards which make the risk irrelevant. It's not even that - there's plenty of risk averse people, it's just that if they're going to leave the cradle of highsec, they're way better off skipping lowsec entirely and either going to NPC null or trying to join a sov alliance. They'll have better rewards if they're PvE types, and if they're PvP players, they get to do their thing without being locked out of a large portion of the game because of it. "Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
TharOkha 0asis Group 153	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:15:00 - [19] - Quote Lowsec does not need a buff. It needs reasonable dwellers GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥
DrunkenNinja Sefem Ortus Swift Angels Alliance 15	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:17:00 - [20] - Quote Riot Girl wrote: You realise you just said exactly the same thing I just said, right? Only the way I said it holds more truth. Fact of the matter is though, young males are not risk averse, and they're the major target audience for EVE whether you like it or notGÇöso it seems much more likely that the system simply does not encourage risk taking.

Riot Girl RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries 507	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:17:00 - [21] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: It's not even that - there's plenty of risk averse people, it's just that if they're going to leave the cradle of highsec, they're way better off skipping lowsec entirely and either going to NPC null or trying to join a sov alliance. They'll have better rewards if they're PvE types, and if they're PvP players, they get to do their thing without being locked out of a large portion of the game because of it. That's true. I've always felt low-sec should be more rewarding than null-sec. Oh god.
Ivan Joukov The Wings of Maak Defiant Legacy 21	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:18:00 - [22] - Quote Snow Axe wrote: Lowsec doesn't need a buff, it needs a complete re-imagining. Right now it's a strange hybrid between the worst aspects of highsec and the worst aspects of nullsec without any of the benefits of either. Hahahahahahahaha. Goon. -áDavai!
Silk daShocka Greasy Hair Club 154	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:20:00 - [23] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: If u live in high sec 100% of the time you don't truly need to make over 200 to 300 million a WEEK. 28 miilion a day isn't very much, just sayin. SO what should be done about regional and/or station traders if 200 to 300 million a week earnings need to be reigned in. I haven't been region trading lately but when I used to do it I could make 200 million very quickly trading just 1 or 2 items.
Lance Rossiter CHAINS Corp 23	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:21:00 - [24] - Quote I like low sec, but I haven't spent much time in high sec or null sec so I don't have a good basis to compare risk / reward. I like that it's possible to operate in low sec as an individual, while also offering possibilities to team up: I like that it's more dangerous than high sec without having all the nasty stuff you get in null sec (interdiction bubbles, etc.); I like that there are better natural resources and harder anomalies than in high sec; I like that some of the people you meet will be friendly and some will be hostile. I dislike that I sometimes find myself, with a more defensively-minded fit, doing things that I could be doing in high sec, with an all-out performance fit. I like that the local infrastructure is less developed, but it does make things more difficult. One desire I have that may or may not be realistic, would be the ability to interact with pirate factions. I think the Guristas are a really interesting group, for example, but moving to Venal to meet them and start missioning with them doesn't seem like a realistic ambition for me. If there was some way to "wet your feet" with these groups in low sec, that might be cool.
Mirima Thurander Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition 425	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:23:00 - [25] - Quote I edited my post but I will.say it here as well. Eve needs better lowsec and null content NOT more liquid ISK injected in to an all ready overly inflated market. Better content with a nurf to high sec income. High sec income is as listed in no order. Production Ratting Mining Incursions Missions A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me.
Silk daShocka Greasy Hair Club 154	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:27:00 - [26] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: I edited my post but I will.say it here as well. Eve needs better lowsec and null content NOT more liquid ISK injected in to an all ready overly inflated market. Better content with a nurf to high sec income. High sec income is as listed in no order. Production Ratting Mining Incursions Missions So why do you leave trading out of the list? It's the only high-sec profession that has absolutely 0 risk.
Mirima Thurander Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition 426	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:29:00 - [27] - Quote Silk daShocka wrote: Mirima Thurander wrote: I edited my post but I will.say it here as well. Eve needs better lowsec and null content NOT more liquid ISK injected in to an all ready overly inflated market. Better content with a nurf to high sec income. High sec income is as listed in no order. Production Ratting Mining Incursions Missions So why do you leave trading out of the list? It's the only high-sec profession that has absolutely 0 risk. Are we talking buy here move sell. Or station trading in jita? A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me.
Silk daShocka Greasy Hair Club 154	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:35:00 - [28] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: Silk daShocka wrote: Mirima Thurander wrote: I edited my post but I will.say it here as well. Eve needs better lowsec and null content NOT more liquid ISK injected in to an all ready overly inflated market. Better content with a nurf to high sec income. High sec income is as listed in no order. Production Ratting Mining Incursions Missions So why do you leave trading out of the list? It's the only high-sec profession that has absolutely 0 risk. It can't be changed, well with out the ccomplet destruction of jita. And that only comes about by seperation the empires by low sec space but that's for a diff post. Trading could easily be nerfed. For example, increase brokers fees to 5%. Sure this will affect everyones wallet, but it would affect the traders wallet the most, since he pays brokers fees twice via buying then reselling. Of course if this were done, private contracts would probably also have to be looked at, which also would affect all of eve. Another example, various things could be done ot the trade skills, which could nerf trading. I mean I'm just curious as to why you think all the low income activities in hi-sec should be nerfed, yet you overlook the most profitable way to make money in all of eve, which coincidentally, the pilot who chooses to pursue this career can also choose to do it entirely risk-free.
Silk daShocka Greasy Hair Club 154	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:35:00 - [29] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: Silk daShocka wrote: Mirima Thurander wrote: I edited my post but I will.say it here as well. Eve needs better lowsec and null content NOT more liquid ISK injected in to an all ready overly inflated market. Better content with a nurf to high sec income. High sec income is as listed in no order. Production Ratting Mining Incursions Missions So why do you leave trading out of the list? It's the only high-sec profession that has absolutely 0 risk. Are we talking buy here move sell. Or station trading in jita? Either one.
Mirima Thurander Estrada Dynamics - Exploration and Acquisition 426	Posted - 2012.11.29 11:47:00 - [30] - Quote Silk daShocka wrote: Mirima Thurander wrote: Silk daShocka wrote: Mirima Thurander wrote: I edited my post but I will.say it here as well. Eve needs better lowsec and null content NOT more liquid ISK injected in to an all ready overly inflated market. Better content with a nurf to high sec income. High sec income is as listed in no order. Production Ratting Mining Incursions Missions So why do you leave trading out of the list? It's the only high-sec profession that has absolutely 0 risk. Are we talking buy here move sell. Or station trading in jita? Either one. Station trading is a beast of the system, it wold be less effective with out jita. Real buy move sell trading has its own risks as you have to undock. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me.



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