some people say: yes
other (and i trust them) say: nope, increased profits won't make low-sec more populated.

And about "dare to be bold". Eve gives you a choices. It's up to you to choose something. Your choice - low sec. That's ok. My choice for nearest time - high sec (got bored by 0.0 sec). Noone forces us to choose one option or another. Then why rewarding one of them?

I'd say it's pretty darn likely that increased profits WOULD make lowsec more populated, and more people would fight over these resourcesGÇöwhich I would find fun.

I'm not saying nerf your ability to play it safe and make a steady ISK income.
Just allow players to take greater risks for greater rewards.

Low sec would be much more popular if it had concord.

Low sec would be much more popular if it had concord.

I'm not saying nerf your ability to play it safe and make a steady ISK income.
Just allow players to take greater risks for greater rewards.

Low sec would be much more popular if it had concord.

Just allow people to claim sov in lowsec already. Maybe throw in some **** about a war with the empire factions for it. Add some sort of new resources for some sort of new profession that requires sov to access.

If hi-sec and low-sec risk vs reward was balanced, why is the population in lowsec so low? Because it isn't balanced.

If your playing eve to pay for eve news flash you now have a 2nd job.

It's got nothing to do with rewards, it's purely about players being risk averse. The only way to make risk averse players want to go into low sec is to give them ridiculously high rewards which make the risk irrelevant.

It's got nothing to do with rewards, it's purely about players being risk averse. The only way to make risk averse players want to go into low sec is to give them ridiculously high rewards which make the risk irrelevant.

You realise you just said exactly the same thing I just said, right? Only the way I said it holds more truth.

It's not even that - there's plenty of risk averse people, it's just that if they're going to leave the cradle of highsec, they're way better off skipping lowsec entirely and either going to NPC null or trying to join a sov alliance. They'll have better rewards if they're PvE types, and if they're PvP players, they get to do their thing without being locked out of a large portion of the game because of it.

Lowsec doesn't need a buff, it needs a complete re-imagining. Right now it's a strange hybrid between the worst aspects of highsec and the worst aspects of nullsec without any of the benefits of either.

If u live in high sec 100% of the time you don't truly need to make over 200 to 300 million a WEEK.

I edited my post but I will.say it here as well.

Eve needs better lowsec and null content NOT more liquid ISK injected in to an all ready overly inflated market.

Better content with a nurf to high sec income.
High sec income is as listed in no order.

Production
Ratting
Mining
Incursions
Missions

So why do you leave trading out of the list? It's the only high-sec profession that has absolutely 0 risk.

It can't be changed, well with out the ccomplet destruction of jita.

And that only comes about by seperation the empires by low sec space but that's for a diff post.

Are we talking buy here move sell.

Or station trading in jita?

Either one.

Station trading is a beast of the system, it wold be less effective with out jita.

Real buy move sell trading has its own risks as you have to undock.

I dunno when I was doing region trading (buying in one region, then moving to sell in another) I never undocked. Just setup the courrier contract then logged in to the appropriate trading toon once hte contract was delivered. The time saved by not hauling the goods myself was used to make more than the roughly 10 million it would cost to move 1 billion worth of goods.

Yes but your goods where at risk to LULZGANKS during movement.

So why do you leave trading out of the list? It's the only high-sec profession that has absolutely 0 risk.

I mean I'm just curious as to why you think all the low income activities in hi-sec should be nerfed, yet you overlook the most profitable way to make money in all of eve, which coincidentally, the pilot who chooses to pursue this career can also choose to do it entirely risk-free.

HAHAHAHA.... LOL



Okay, you realy need to shut up. While you are risking just your ship and pod, trader risk his whole fortune. No "risk free" dude. Also if you raise taxes it doesnt help either. It just raises prices. It also applies for industry. Industrialist doesnt give a f... if tritanium is cheap or expensive on market. It just raises the price of final product, but his profit would be the same.

Sorry but you are just like those rednecks who lives in the middle of f... desert and complaining how rich are those people trading on Wall street.

While rats, missions or any other PVE activity is given by game system and thus can be moddified, trading is entirely player based. Jita was not meant to be hub. Players themselves decided to be a trade hub. You cannot "nerf" something what is player driven. You can change it, but players will just adapt = no change (or nerf) at all.

I'd say it's pretty darn likely that increased profits WOULD make lowsec more populated, and more people would fight over these resourcesGÇöwhich I would find fun.

HAHAHAHA.... LOL



Okay, you realy need to shut up. While you are risking just your ship and pod, trader risk his whole fortune. No "risk free" dude. Also if you raise taxes it doesnt help either. It just raises prices. It also applies for industry. Industrialist doesnt give a f... if tritanium is cheap or expensive on market. It just raises the price of final product, but his profit would be the same.

Sorry but you are just like those rednecks who lives in the middle of f... desert and complaining how rich are those people trading on Wall street.

While rats, missions or any other PVE activity is given by game system and thus can be moddified, trading is entirely player based. Jita was not meant to be hub. Players themselves decided to be a trade hub. You cannot "nerf" something what is player driven. You can change it, but players will just adapt = no change (or nerf) at all.

With the addition of high sec divided by low sec systems jita would no long be THE trade hub.
You would end up with 4 hubs divided by lowsec with trade between them by the less risk adverse players.

And then suddenly targets in low sec.

Jita would probably remain the largest hub if this was implemented simply because people would not want to move, and jump freighters.

The prices at the 4 other hubs would probably rise though as jump freighters are much more expensive to move goods with. Also the price of region specific goods such as kernite for example would probably rise as well.

Yes jfs but they can only jump high - low or high - null and its as simple as waiting for them on the other side of a gate for there cyno. Or if local was removed In system.


See that's what I'm getting at if CCP would make some far reaching changes it would improve eve greatly. But they can't because "I WILL QUIT IF X" is now the ruling point in eve.

You do realize an industrialist that produces from minerals he mines pays brokers fees once, while a trader wiill be paying them twice right?

Please explain to me how a trader "risks" his whole fortune.

I mentioned trading because there was person calling for nerfs to every way of making money in hi-sec aside from trading and I was curious as to why trading received a get out of jail free card.

Assuming you're right, are you really saying lowsec DOESN'T need a buff, and the the risks aren't VASTLY disproportionate to the rewards?
If hi-sec and low-sec risk vs reward was balanced, why is the population in lowsec so low? Because it isn't balanced.

Is this really the kind of environment we desire in EVE?
Isn't one of EVE slogans "Dare to be bold."?
Wouldn't increasing the profitability of low security space encourage boldness?

Hi guys, do you think lowsec deserves some attention in the coming patches?

What I mean by this is: Are there really enough people profiting from lowsec and dangerous activities in general?

This isn't just pirates fighting pirates in lowsecGÇöit's miners, missioners, etc who venture out into lowsec space for higher risk but increased reward.

So if they manage to make it out of lowsec without getting blown up, they should gain more than a player who stays totally safe in hisec.

Large scale industrialists dont mine, they buy raw materials from the market. It is much more efficient than mine it all

I dont know how about you but nearly all my isks are on the market orders. If some commodity drop the price it could cost you billions. Much greater risk than loosing a carrier.

...i explained it earlier. Because it is player driven. While PvE has some limits of earning isk/hr, trading dont have any limits. You can earn 10m/day but also 10B per day. You can "nerf" it as much as you can, but without any results. Also PvE generates isks from thin air, while trading just redistribute isks already injected in economy.

Just allow people to claim sov in lowsec already. Maybe throw in some **** about a war with the empire factions for it. Add some sort of new resources for some sort of new profession that requires sov to access.

If you put in a way to claim sov maybe some pve hi end content then maybe people would venture out there but I see this as bad because 0.0 alliances would just swallow up this area as well.

You all are wrong! hery why, no chance for boost low sec by any way, because of people behaviour.

Low sec cant by buffed because pirates nerf it every time when they overblob gates with like 15 man fleet of tech 3 ships.

Pirates are responsible (in natutal way) for low visits in low sec by neutrals... Game mechanic never change this.

If they want more targets just stop overblob gates to single enemy, this is some kind of pirates hypocrisy.
Here no chance to change low sec until people change play style or own mind...

A ordinary carebear - neutral guy who die to pirate blob never enter again low sec, even pirates pay to him... except few people, who like risk etc, but not mass community.

You all are wrong! hery why, no chance for boost low sec by any way, because of people behaviour.

Low sec cant by buffed because pirates nerf it every time when they overblob gates with like 15 man fleet of tech 3 ships.

Pirates are responsible (in natutal way) for low visits in low sec by neutrals... Game mechanic never change this.

If they want more targets just stop overblob gates to single enemy, this is some kind of pirates hypocrisy.
Here no chance to change low sec until people change play style or own mind...

A ordinary carebear - neutral guy who die to pirate blob never enter again low sec, even pirates pay to him... except few people, who like risk etc, but not mass community.

0.0 sec shows: rich resources not always provoke conflict. Take a look to moons income.
However i don't want to argue here because this question has like 100+ threads in this forum. Let's not start another one.


Boosting one area -> more ISK into game -> prices for everything growing == nerf for all other areas

And low-sec is already more rewarding than high-sec.


It's more likely

Its amazing but you are entirely wrong. Moon goo drove 0.0 combat for 5 years, the fact one conglomorate has finally won doesn't mean resources don't drive conflict.

Buffing an area doesn't have to add more isk into game, quite the opposite in fact, just look at FW, isk removed from game, lots of rich happy people.

Personally i think they should buff lo sec by adding cruiser/bc hull officers with medium x-type equiv loot.

think about the rationality of low sec activities

Gatecamping with a blob.
Hmm, I see.

Fact of the matter is though, young males are not risk averse, and they're the major target audience for EVE whether you like it or notGÇöso it seems much more likely that the system simply does not encourage risk taking.

Lowsec doesn't need a buff, it needs a complete re-imagining. Right now it's a strange hybrid between the worst aspects of highsec and the worst aspects of nullsec without any of the benefits of either. You give up all of the safeties of highsec , and yet PVP comes with sec status hits and restrictions on bubbles, and PVE just doesn't reward as well as null. About the only thing it has going for it is Faction Warfare.

Of all the tasks CCP has ahead of them, finding a true purpose for lowsec is probably their hardest one.

It may give free kills, what is the value of such kills?

It may give free kills, what is the value of such kills?

Newbies have no expensive stuff, experienced players watch kill/pod statistics, freighters should use scouts.

With the addition of high sec divided by low sec systems jita would no long be THE trade hub.
You would end up with 4 hubs divided by lowsec with trade between them by the less risk adverse players.

And then suddenly targets in low sec.

2. More gate guns, better gate guns, different kinds of gate guns (ewar or capacitor warfare).

Low sec is a nice place to go when you want some peace and quiet from gankers and nulltards.

But I'd be happy to see it erased from the game entirely and simply divide all space into two areas. Lawful and lawless.

In theory, low sec is an interesting concept. But in practice, it's a total failure. Nothing CCP has done over the years has made it in any way attractive to actually live in and try to earn some ISK. It's a wasteland that could be put to much better use by dividing it up and parceling it out into high and null.

Mr Epeen

As well, whatever group has the most kills in a system should be shown as the "occupants" of the system.

I'd say it's pretty darn likely that increased profits WOULD make lowsec more populated, and more people would fight over these resourcesGÇöwhich I would find fun.

Low sec is a nice place to go when you want some peace and quiet from gankers and nulltards.

But I'd be happy to see it erased from the game entirely and simply divide all space into two areas. Lawful and lawless.

In theory, low sec is an interesting concept. But in practice, it's a total failure. Nothing CCP has done over the years has made it in any way attractive to actually live in and try to earn some ISK. It's a wasteland that could be put to much better use by dividing it up and parceling it out into high and null.

Mr Epeen

Just allow people to claim sov in lowsec already. Maybe throw in some **** about a war with the empire factions for it. Add some sort of new resources for some sort of new profession that requires sov to access.

Lowsec is an industrial garden ready for exploitation by the keen and sneaky. And a haven for the wardecced, as it seems a lot of aspiring internet toughguys stop being tough when confronted with a few jumps into lowsec.

As soon as YOU shoot something in lowsec, you will hate your own idea. Gate guns are only there to cause disadvantage for illegal aggression, NOT prevent fighting. Low sec doesn't need to be more safe via NPC protection, it needs to be more safe based on the corporations that reside there.

Remove cynos from lowsec and it will stop the hot dropping in lowsec. It will also cut down on the insane power projection that super mega alliances cling to.

Beef up station and gate sentry guns. In their current state they're easily tankable and a joke. If you want highsec players to even step foot into lowsec, you need to let them enter without getting WTFINSTAKILLED after jumping in. Going from gate to gate or gate to station will be relatively safe (obviously not as safe as highsec) but belts and sites remain unchanged and just as dangerous.

Lower the NPC tax on PI. Currently highsec dwellers pay 11% whereas lowsec dwellers pay 17% and up. That doesn't make any sense and only discourages players from going to lowsec.

Beef up PI yields to be better than highsec.

Overhaul the belts in lowsec so they're better than highsec but not better than nullsec. As it is now, there's almost no legitimate reason to go mining in lowsec since the same asteroids are found in highsec.

More stations. Most of lowsec has no stations. The systems that do are typically infested with player pirates.

And that's about all the changes I believe are necessary to revive lowsec.

Hell no carbares and alt industrials already have hisec all fuzzy and warm we dont want losec any safer we live here becouse you make a mistake your dead you set up camp and dont know locals and what they can bring and what systems to scout for possible incoming hot drop your dead

losec is the best place in eve it just takes a little team work you can go solo i have a few times you just need to use your head and suss out the locals

If you want more ppl in losec make all empire losec job done

Oh yeah, for this to work properly, all of concord must be destroyable *grin*. Also bribing concord to look the other way for a while would be cool (cost varies hugely on various factors including system sec).

Look, putting your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes and chanting loudly that carebears should stay out won't fix lowsec.

Yeah, no.

Remove cynos from lowsec and it will stop the hot dropping in lowsec. It will also cut down on the insane power projection that super mega alliances cling to.

Lower the NPC tax on PI. Currently highsec dwellers pay 11% whereas lowsec dwellers pay 17% and up. That doesn't make any sense and only discourages players from going to lowsec.

2. Remove all farmable resources from high sec. Claim that they're all mined out.

Yeah it's so hard to camp a gate with active links (OGB) +logis with a couple (10) friends. Indeed, kills should rule who deserves low sec, but then null sec and high sec alliances will become your overlords.

If something low sec doesn't need for sure is safe graveyard camping, this is already what you guys do and see the results. Pitiful

Main reason I avoid 0.0 is bubbles. Sure they have a place. I've flown through some of them. They don't really bring me terror or anything. I just find them annoying. I don't like hitting bubble camps, and I don't like bubble camping. I like flying little ships around and not having to deal with big fleets. However, lowsec just doesn't have much there for me. Really, the core annoyance is that I find traps on chokepoints to be a bit annoying, and it leaves a bad taste in peoples' mouth when their first taste of PVP is to come through a gate only to be tackled and vaporized by a gate camp that requires skills to evade that they have never even heard of before.
I think it would be better to secure the heck out of the gates and stations - put CONCORD class weaponry in the sentry guns there - then say "If we didn't see it within range of the sentry/gate guns, it didn't happen (no sec status hits)".
Keep lowsec restrictions, but move the focus of the combat there away from gate camping and toward leaving the place full of pretty lucrative rewards, except that to venture out after any of them leaves you open to being attacked. That would make it so you can travel through lowsec pretty easily, as long as all you do is travel.. and traveling through it, instead of shying away from it in terror and most highsec residents do now, might lead people to go "They have fields of *what* here? Those look yummy.. And look at this other stuff.." hmm, we need to figure how to get at this.. maybe if I just sneak out and take a look in a frigate.."

I'd like to point out lowsec PI has a little higher NPC tax, but players are supposed to knock down those Customs Offices and put down their own. In lowsec, there are two ways to achieve very low tax on a Customs Office. Both actions will require significantly more efffort then just putting down a Command Center and log off.

1. Contact the owner, tell him you will be his cashcow, get a Blue standing.
2. Pound it into spacedust and place your own Customs Office.

I'm exporting at 1-4% tax right now, on planets with a good yield. I think I have a better deal then anyone in hisec.

As you said, it would be a great idea to move the PvP away from gate camping and towards better resources in lowsec.