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Scherezad
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Posted - 2012.12.01 04:01:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:What about the other three people killed and two-hundred people injured as a result of "Provist interventionary measures"? Clumsy riot control there.
I see no lamentations about those poor commonfolk.
Public lamentations for public people.
Private lamentations for private people.
We don't need this hurtful commentary right now. |
Scherezad
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Posted - 2012.12.11 21:14:00 -
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John Caligan wrote:Requiescat en Pace, Tibus Heath. Now the State can move on to better times.
I suggest you read the following, sir. The Executor is alive and well, to the best of my limited knowledge. |
Scherezad
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Posted - 2012.12.12 15:23:00 -
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Misha M'Liena wrote:As for his judgement? *stifles a laugh* Ummm, did you seriously write that? Let's see a assassin tried to kill me and i'm going to be merciful? *Coughs*
Misha.
Sarice-haan didn't say merciful, nor did he imply it. He said sound. He wishes that Executor Heth's judgement be well-considered and thorough. Of this I have few doubts. |
Scherezad
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Posted - 2012.12.12 16:55:00 -
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Misha M'Liena wrote:You can interpret that way or my way. *Shrugs* It's his judgement that's in question.
Misha.
Forgive my bluntness, ma'am, but I could interpret the word sound to mean merciful in the same way I could interpret the word red to mean blue. I could do it, but I would be wrong in so doing. The words we choose are important. |
Scherezad
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Posted - 2012.12.29 04:30:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:That stooge would already have struck Gallente Prime if he believed he had the slightest chance of success.
Why in the name of the Ancestors would we want to strike Gallente Prime? |
Scherezad
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Posted - 2012.12.29 17:06:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Why was it necessary for the State to liberate Home? It was necessary BECAUSE IT IS HOME. Yes, we all know the cultural Caldari context behind, but using cultural excuses for everything sounds a little too convenient to me.
Why does anyone do anything, Ms Farel? Because they feel it to be right. You may be tired of hearing us explain the reason why we retook our homeworld, because you keep getting the same answer. Frankly, ma'am, we tire of saying it. It's a good answer, it's a correct answer, and the fact that it is asked repeatedly does not invalidate it. 1+1=2; asking again won't change that.
To be blunt, this line of discussion between Tuulinen-haan and Mr Sygarius well demonstrates the difficulty in this conflict. The Gallente do not want to believe that the millennia we spent on Caldari Prime, and the millions of ancestors who lived and died there, is reason enough to retake it forcefully. They didn't want to believe us when we cried revenge while fleeing our homeworld. They didn't want to believe us when we toasted their health with hakkin klen from our space stations and colonies in the Citadel. They couldn't believe it when our Leviathan punctured the skies above our homeworld once more. And they don't want to believe it is still there now.
We are not going away, gentle Gallente. We will not disappear back into the mists of time. We will not erase our past, we will not forget that which made us what we are. We will not forget the mountains of the homeworld, nor the grey white bloom of the Forge and Citadel, Lonetrek and the Black Rise.
We cannot proceed towards peace until you realize this fact and accept it. |
Scherezad
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Posted - 2012.12.29 18:09:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:You sound like a warmonger. The good, correct answer might simply be that a lot of what makes that conflict difficult is your unwilligness to compromise.
Being unwilling to compromise on the sanctity of of one's home is not warmongering, and it is a strange state of affairs that would suggest it to be so. But, alright, I will propose a compromise that respects all parties.
Let us make the system hallowed ground. It is the cradle of two proud people who have built great nations amongst the stars and ought be respected as sacred. We shall evacuate the surfaces of all planets in the system save support staff to ensure that the historic sites are maintained, and allow pilgrims to travel there to experience the magesty of their homeworlds. All citizens will be migrated to orbital stations or system nearby. The system itself will be considered a neutral zone to be policed jointly by the State and Federation, along with CONCORD. The Caldari will surrender their claim to return to live on their homeworld, and the Gallente will experience the same loss as the Caldari once did, albeit with no orbital bombardments. The ledger will be made even.
I think that this is a compromise which respects the dignity of all involved and would effectively bring peace between our peoples. Indeed, the co-operative efforts in securing the system as well as shared reverence for the birthplace of our ancestors could forge a powerful and lasting alliance. |
Scherezad
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Posted - 2012.12.30 03:37:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:Your idea for a compromise however is interesting, but how would you propose something like that to the Gallente, and to a greater extent to the Caldari people ? That sounds highly unlikely and hard to achieve. I am pretty sure that most Caldari would be quite offended with such a proposal. And a lot of Gallente too.
I also note the part on "the Gallente will experience the same hardships we have experienced". Isn't an eye for an eye a little childish and pointless ? Unless we wish for war escalation every time someone resorts to that...
I really appreciate your progressive views, for a constructive discussion, though.
My proposal is not an escalation or purely retaliative. Nowhere have I mentioned retribution for the bombardments on Caldari during the evacuation. There would be no terror, no need for futile sacrifices, no families torn apart. A peaceful, orderly withdrawal. Many Caldari would consider allowing this to be a grave insult to our ancestors who suffered the same, but in the interest of peace I think it would make a fine compromise.
I think that many Caldari would accept the Homeworld as a place for pilgrimage and reverence. Would the Gallente accept silence in their crystal boulevards and eviction to strange new places? I'm more dubious of this.
Further, I doubt any such motion could pass in their Senate. |
Scherezad
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Posted - 2012.12.30 03:53:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:Having Luminaire become a DMZ to be respected by both races makes a lot of sense.
Good luck getting either side to consider it though, it has as much chance being implemented as a fedo on ice skates in hell.
The proposal is mostly to help us consider the problem of how to find a peaceful solution. I don't foresee the Gallente ever agreeing to the terms. |
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