I would like to wish Tibus Heth a quick and painless death.

The cowardice of the assassin is exceeded only by those sickening individuals verbally digging a grave for a man they have never met.

Whatever you think of Executor Heth's politics, cowardly assassination is not the way to oppose them.

I add my wishes for a speedy recovery to those already expressed and reserve my scorn for those who choose to use this horrific event as a soapbox for their personal politics.

I serve the State!

...Why can't I shake this feeling of suspicion? There's something not right about this.

What about the other three people killed and two-hundred people injured as a result of "Provist interventionary measures"? Clumsy riot control there.

I see no lamentations about those poor commonfolk.

What about the other three people killed and two-hundred people injured as a result of "Provist interventionary measures"? Clumsy riot control there.

I see no lamentations about those poor commonfolk.

*Cough* Entire city blown up *Cough* No Federal intervention *Cough*

*Cough* Entire city blown up *Cough* No Federal intervention *Cough*

Some of you are talking about things you're vastly ignorant of, just to hear the sound of your own voices. Remember that there are people reading who actually have a personal stake in this.

Right, because an assassination attempt on the head of state of one of New Eden's four superpowers is remotely comparable to the destruction of a frontier city on the fringes of Federation space that no one in space ever heard about until a few weeks ago.

How many millions of cities exist in each sovereignty? And how many space settlements get destroyed everyday with no empire intervention?

Try again.

Rubbish. I'm just pointing out the fact that the injury of one man has apparently taken precedence over the injuries of two-hundred and the death of three.

Rubbish. I'm just pointing out the fact that the injury of one man has apparently taken precedence over the injuries of two-hundred and the death of three.

Which apparently takes precedence over the outright deaths of several million, apparently because you 'have never heard of' them? Your hypocrisy is astounding.

My original point is that three people have died and two hundred people have been injured, yet Tibus Heth's life takes priority over the common citizen.

So obvious, that it wasn't even brought up until now. I'll be sure to remember that the Caldari put more stock in the lives of their leaders than citizens, in which case.

So obvious, that it wasn't even brought up until now. I'll be sure to remember that the Caldari put more stock in the lives of their leaders than citizens, in which case.

It also only took 1 person who's motivations for his actions are unknown at this time to set these actions into motion. In a worse case scenario you have a dead leader and an excuse for long term martial law and an even longer purge of those that might be thought not to be loyal to the state.

What about the other three people killed and two-hundred people injured as a result of "Provist interventionary measures"? Clumsy riot control there.

I see no lamentations about those poor commonfolk.

A worst case scenario? That is nowhere near the worst possible case. Worst possible case is that this turns out not to have been the deranged actions of a lone gunman and, Ancestors Forbid, there's ties back to another organisation or Empire and then we have a war that makes the current border disagreements look like a nature ramble.

Slightly better than that is that it only turns out to have been one, or a group, of the big Eight that were involved and the State is headed for a brutal Civil War. No, a temporary interruption of freedoms and a more active than normal Provist presence is pretty far from the worst thing that can happen.

Here's hoping he expires quickly. He always rubbed me the wrong way.

YOU COWARDLY GALLENTE DOGS WILL PAY!

I assume you've evidence to this? Because I can think of several groups that want Heth dead, perhaps you should look within your own people.

Because there are those within the State who will profit greatly from his demise, bit like how he rose to overall control in the first place. How ironic.

The verdict has been in on your deceitful, morally-vacuous race for some time. Found guilty by the Caldari people, the fate of the Gallente is sealed, our missiles will execute the sentence.

YOU COWARDLY GALLENTE DOGS WILL PAY!

Our dear CEO, the hearts and minds of your State are with you, please recover, we can't afford to lose you.

I would gladly give my life to protect Tibus Heth, I really would like that assasin shot me instead. But, unfortunately, I wasn't here. And this is my fault as well. This is a fault of all Caldari, who wasn't there, who couldn't protect him.

Dear Executor! Please, forgive me, forgive us all! Our lives at your disposal!

What'd you do? Sleep with him?

Here's hoping he dies, you jack-booted puppets.

Do not expect mercy, dirty traitor!
All enemies of the State will DIE!

Must say, reading the report again, the assassin not only got off a clear shot on Heth but then took out a dozen guards before being overpowered.

That's either one hell of an impressive assassin, or the Provist security forces aren't up to much these days.

Can anyone confirm or deny whether the second marksman was apprehended by the authorities?

Very similar things would have occured if President Roden had been shot at a political rally.

We must all think well on what has happened while we are in the quiet eye of the storm because once we get to the other side of it events may make demands on us at very short notice.

Be Prepared.

Were that the case you'd be hearing about how Heth was fighting for his life against a case of gangrene brought on by extreme frostbite in his nether-regions.

You make your fellow pilot sound like she's either completely frigid or a heart of ice colder then the coldest planet in the cluster.
If it's the first, try taking her to Crystal Boulevard. That place will warm anybody up.

I refer strictly to the parts of her anatomy residing between her legs. Might as well have been carved off of one of the corpsicles I keep.

In all of this I'm not entirely sure why so many are calling for Heth's demise. He certainly has encouraged a great deal of anti-Gallente sentiment, but by and large, he has been a stabilizing and healthy influence on the Caldari State. What assurance do the rest of us have that he would be replaced with someone better once Heth dies?

It is notable that the press release doesn't mention what type of weapon he was "shot" with. I find that a disturbing omission of relevant information.

In all of this I'm not entirely sure why so many are calling for Heth's demise. He certainly has encouraged a great deal of anti-Gallente sentiment, but by and large, he has been a stabilizing and healthy influence on the Caldari State. What assurance do the rest of us have that he would be replaced with someone better once Heth dies?

It is notable that the press release doesn't mention what type of weapon he was "shot" with. I find that a disturbing omission of relevant information.

The Executor has caused some tensions within Caldari society by strengthening the role of a central government

Like I always said, in our current situation the State must be united and well coordinated. Besides, it is the CEP who gave these powers to our Executor, because we all need it, and because he has merits to lead all of us.
Making a seat of Executor was a decision not of one person, not of one corporation, but of all of them.
Those people, who cause tension because of this, do not agree with all of our corporation, with our CEP, with our CPD and are clearly acting against common interests of the State.

If you ask me, I'd like to know what the commander of that particular taskforce was thinking, shooting a neutral entity in the heart of Gallente territory.

If you ask me, I'd like to know what the commander of that particular taskforce was thinking, shooting a neutral entity in the heart of Gallente territory.

... but there are also those who resent any form of authority being placed over the big eight, and those people are why the Executor has... Well... Enemies is a very strong word... but certainly those within the State who might be happy to see him loose the reins of power a little.

Requiescat en Pace, Tibus Heath. Now the State can move on to better times.

Requiescat en Pace, Tibus Heath. Now the State can move on to better times.

In my personal opinion, the would be assassin should be flogged repeatedly for simply not doing a headshot. But oh well, there's always next time. Let's hope they send somebody compentent on the next go around.

Misha.

As for his judgement? *stifles a laugh* Ummm, did you seriously write that? Let's see a assassin tried to kill me and i'm going to be merciful? *Coughs*

Misha.

You can interpret that way or my way. *Shrugs* It's his judgement that's in question.

Misha.

You can interpret that way or my way. *Shrugs* It's his judgement that's in question.

Misha.

Heth having sound judgement would be like the Empress having drug fuelled orgies.

It's never going to happen.

If I were you, I'd hope that the Executor continues to exercise sound judgement. After all, he does have a sizable taskforce within strike range of the Gallente homeworld and precious few reasons to feel any love towards you all.

That stooge would already have struck Gallente Prime if he believed he had the slightest chance of success.

You must really be as crazy as Heth is if you think that taskforce would ever get close to making any harm on our homeworld.

That stooge would already have struck Gallente Prime if he believed he had the slightest chance of success.

Needless to say, Syagrius, your analysis might be your opinion yet it lacks clarity. By following the same rationale the federal government is afraid to assault State core regions as well as said taskforce. I wonder if your comment was trying to illustrate this situation or just a weak attempt at demagogism.
At any rate I've sated my curiosity regarding your latest public display of benevolence and must say I'm impressed.

Yes yes, many of you in the State mumble and snicker about how soft and inefficient we Gallente are. I don't disagree, such is the cost of being a free and individualistic society. But yet, even with all your vaunted efficiency, dedication and commitment to common purpose you still can't "close the deal". You can't win despite or weakness, depravity and all the other vices you project upon us. So yes Heth is afraid and he is right to be.

First and foremost, nations are seldom attacked for humanitarian reasons.


You are all so busy painting yourselves as victims that it does not occur to you how stupid you look when you then pat each other on the shoulder over the mere fact of calling a man - the very man who has lead the assault on Caldari Prime from the front instead of hiding behind his staff - who is doing the sane thing of not going to go on a genocidal killing spree for the very reasons you've already illustrated a mad coward.

The deal is closed and Caldari Prime is under our sovereign control, since years. I call this pretty successful for such an ad-hoc operation. Needless to say that you're still victim to the assumption that the State fights to destroy the federation - quite the contrary.
This is a fight for survival. With all its size and economic might the federation was not able to break the caldari spirit, not two hundred years ago, not now. We might win in the long run or we might lose, but we will never cease fighting for our continued independence.
What is your motivation?
Is your existance threatened?
Does someone seek to end the system of governance and set of values you're standing behind?
Has someone ripped the foundations of your own culture forcefully from under you in the past?

What do you fight for. Think about it before talking about hate, spite and other petty emotions again.

You must really be as crazy as Heth is if you think that taskforce would ever get close to making any harm on our homeworld.

That stooge would already have struck Gallente Prime if he believed he had the slightest chance of success.

Of late I have been contemplating this... war with the State.

Being a man of commerce, we often consider war profitable. This is true because human misery has no monetary value. If it did, our evaluation might be different. The only justification I offer is that men are often as imperfect as their times.

But to the point. After careful consideration of Ma'dame Mekhana's evaluation, I have determined she is correct. Executor Heth's motivation for restraint is simple.

He is afraid.

Ah, so he'd orbitally bombard a homeworld to get what he wants, eh? My, but that sounds uncomfortably familiar...

As such, he's content to keep a weapon of mass destruction in Luminaire, one short warp away from the Federal capital in the hope that if a situation arises, he can threaten the Gallente and get what he wants without firing a shot. In short, I'd argue that if anyone's afraid, it is the civilian population of Luminaire.

That stooge would already have struck Gallente Prime if he believed he had the slightest chance of success.

James Sygarius disingenuously refers to the assault on 'Luminaire VII' so that he doesn't have to call it Caldari Prime - thus answering his own question regarding the necessity of seizing it.

Msr. Tuulinen I think if you read the associated posts to the one you chose to quote you would find I did refer to as Luminaire VII as Caldari Prime several times. The question stands.

Ma'dame Nihil not to be impolite but while Gallente Prime (Luminaire VI) is the cultural capital and homeworld of the Gallente people, it isn't the "Federal Capital", Villore IV is.

Why was it necessary for the State to liberate Home? It was necessary BECAUSE IT IS HOME.

Desiderya you would have me believe that Heth refrains from attacking Gallente Prime for humanitarian reasons? His new found concern for the lives of Federation citizens is touching and quite unexpected.

Please explain to me how the recent invasion and occupation of Luminaire VII was necessary for the continued survival and independence of the State? Nether of those considerations were paramount in the calculation to invade and you know it.

Perhaps we would be better served in discussing how short of the destruction of one or both of our civilizations this conflict can be ended once and for all.

That is the conversation I would like to have.

Yes, we all know the cultural Caldari context behind, but using cultural excuses for everything sounds a little too convenient to me.

You sound like a warmonger. The good, correct answer might simply be that a lot of what makes that conflict difficult is your unwilligness to compromise.

You sound like a warmonger. The good, correct answer might simply be that a lot of what makes that conflict difficult is your unwilligness to compromise.

Being unwilling to compromise on the sanctity of of one's home is not warmongering, and it is a strange state of affairs that would suggest it to be so. But, alright, I will propose a compromise that respects all parties.

Let us make the system hallowed ground. It is the cradle of two proud people who have built great nations amongst the stars and ought be respected as sacred. We shall evacuate the surfaces of all planets in the system save support staff to ensure that the historic sites are maintained, and allow pilgrims to travel there to experience the magesty of their homeworlds. All citizens will be migrated to orbital stations or system nearby. The system itself will be considered a neutral zone to be policed jointly by the State and Federation, along with CONCORD. The Caldari will surrender their claim to return to live on their homeworld, and the Gallente will experience the same loss as the Caldari once did, albeit with no orbital bombardments. The ledger will be made even.

I think that this is a compromise which respects the dignity of all involved and would effectively bring peace between our peoples. Indeed, the co-operative efforts in securing the system as well as shared reverence for the birthplace of our ancestors could forge a powerful and lasting alliance.

Imagine that I enter your home, knock you to the ground and place my boot on your throat, pressing down until your vision tunnels and you fight for consciousness.

Clearly the minimum acceptable resolution to this conflict is for me to remove my boot from your throat and retreat from your home. You would be well within your rights to demand further securities and reparations to compensate you for the experience and to deter me from doing so again. Should you recover your strength and set out from your home to track me to mine and wreak vengeance there would be many who would support your actions and many more who would understand and sympathise without agreeing with you - but you are a good and kindly person and seek nothing more than your freedom from my violence and my promise to never do this to you again.

Imagine, instead of this minimum accomodation, you were encouraged to accept my permanent presence in your home and the only dialog was over exactly how much pressure I ought to be able to apply to your throat?

I do not demand sanctions or reparations. I do not demand the return of other territories or the awarding of new ones. I do not suggest that first we must bombard Gallentia to atone for the mistakes of the past. I am willing to set aside the past in totality, start a fresh new peace and move forwards in amity and all I ask in return is that you remove your boot from my throat and leave my home, furnishing me with sufficient guarantees that you will not return unless invited.

Illogical.

We are speaking about a home you have never been inside, never seen except on holos, and only heard off. The home of a stranger already.

However, reparations that make sense sound perfectly legitimate to me, but you do not seem very interested as you said.

Similar situation happened a long time ago on Starkmanir Prime. Events of that magnitude happened there too, probably in an even harsher way to the point of almost annihilating an entire culture, and the Minmatar continue to ask for the "liberation" of Arzad, often for very similar reasons, even if the planet has been an Amarrian world for centuries.

Out of curiosity, would you tell the Amarr that they are wrong ?

Your idea for a compromise however is interesting, but how would you propose something like that to the Gallente, and to a greater extent to the Caldari people ? That sounds highly unlikely and hard to achieve. I am pretty sure that most Caldari would be quite offended with such a proposal. And a lot of Gallente too.

I also note the part on "the Gallente will experience the same hardships we have experienced". Isn't an eye for an eye a little childish and pointless ? Unless we wish for war escalation every time someone resorts to that...

I really appreciate your progressive views, for a constructive discussion, though.

Having Luminaire become a DMZ to be respected by both races makes a lot of sense.

Good luck getting either side to consider it though, it has as much chance being implemented as a fedo on ice skates in hell.

Whether the Minmatar can accept the invasion of their homeworld or not is a matter for them, not for me, to decide. I believe there was something of a disagreement between the Empire and their former slaves, resulting in the Minmatar recapturing Pator, their original homeworld as well as other systems.

But that's got nothing to do with OUR situation. The point is that the State does NOT accept our forcible eviction from Home, that we have always publicly maintained the desire to return and that we have, in fact, successfully encompassed that desire in our liberation of Home.

Let's be clear about it. There really is no acceptable resolution to this problem that doesn't involve State control of Home. None at all. If that doesn't go on the table then the fight is not over, no matter what short term solution is forced upon us. You cannot buy your way out of this and unless you're willing to utterly dismantle the State colony by colony, orbital by orbital, fleet by fleet, you cannot force any other resolution.

Anything else is negotiable.

My proposal is not an escalation or purely retaliative. Nowhere have I mentioned retribution for the bombardments on Caldari during the evacuation. There would be no terror, no need for futile sacrifices, no families torn apart. A peaceful, orderly withdrawal. Many Caldari would consider allowing this to be a grave insult to our ancestors who suffered the same, but in the interest of peace I think it would make a fine compromise.

I think that many Caldari would accept the Homeworld as a place for pilgrimage and reverence. Would the Gallente accept silence in their crystal boulevards and eviction to strange new places? I'm more dubious of this.

Further, I doubt any such motion could pass in their Senate.