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Darman Saresh Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.12.01 18:36:00 - [1] - Quote hey guys im kinda new to eve but i have a quick question. for missioning, which will be the better cruiser after retribution?
Maeltstome The Burning Red 134	Posted - 2012.12.01 18:57:00 - [2] - Quote Darman Saresh wrote: hey guys im kinda new to eve but i have a quick question. for missioning, which will be the better cruiser after retribution? DPS > all - so probably the omen.
Bryperium Risk Breakers Fidelas Constans 2	Posted - 2012.12.01 21:47:00 - [3] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: Darman Saresh wrote: hey guys im kinda new to eve but i have a quick question. for missioning, which will be the better cruiser after retribution? DPS > all - so probably the omen. This is true of course, though they do the same paper dps come retribution Maller- Resist bonus, extra low slot in an other wise identical slot layout Omen- Higher base speed, cap usage bonus. Personally i'd start with the Omen, then switch to the Maller once you have some good capacitor skills and can use scorch, as thanks to its resistance bonus and extra slot it can load an extra heat sink under the same circumstances. Tituba.
Garviel Tarrant Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel 252	Posted - 2012.12.02 01:04:00 - [4] - Quote Solo Omen Fleet probably Maller They are both incredibly MEH though.
Firestorm Delta Aphotic Machina 9	Posted - 2012.12.02 01:20:00 - [5] - Quote If your going to do level 2s in an Amaar cruiser, go omen. I've done some of the less crazy lvl 3s with a navy omen, and it's lot of fun. Also note that my overall skills for a well fit omen are, mediocre at best, and yet I can still pull off some of the lvl 3s. If you really want to fly a maller go for it, but I have no advice for you with that one.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 46	Posted - 2012.12.02 02:05:00 - [6] - Quote Firestorm Delta wrote: If your going to do level 2s in an Amaar cruiser, go omen. I've done some of the less crazy lvl 3s with a navy omen, and it's lot of fun. Also note that my overall skills for a well fit omen are, mediocre at best, and yet I can still pull off some of the lvl 3s. If you really want to fly a maller go for it, but I have no advice for you with that one. This. More so ofc with good gunnery skills. Navy Omen is just pure fun.
Zyella Stormborn Alpha Strategy In Umbra Mortis 214	Posted - 2012.12.02 03:56:00 - [7] - Quote ...and Maller will be out of cap painfully quickly. Omen all the way ;) There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Trinkets friend Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance 637	Posted - 2012.12.02 09:42:00 - [8] - Quote Garviel Tarrant wrote: They are both incredibly MEH though. I disagree. Omen is pretty good in my opinion for a T1 cruiser. 450 DPS and 35K tank, versus a Maller with 320DPS and 45K tank. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed. http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 238	Posted - 2012.12.02 09:51:00 - [9] - Quote Maller: - better tank (you can use same 3-slot tank you'd use in Abaddon: repairer + 2x mission specific active hardener) - one utility low slot for something else, like TE - better dps (5x HPL vs Omen's 5x FMPL) with 2 heat sinks - cap stable without repairer running Omen: - better speed - better tracking with FMPLs (since you can't fit HPLs, AB, web and repairer without compromises) - cap stable without repairer running This is of course with 5% gun cap use, rof, damage implants.
Bryperium Risk Breakers Fidelas Constans 2	Posted - 2012.12.02 14:20:00 - [10] - Quote Trinkets friend wrote: Garviel Tarrant wrote: They are both incredibly MEH though. I disagree. Omen is pretty good in my opinion for a T1 cruiser. 450 DPS and 35K tank, versus a Maller with 320DPS and 45K tank. This I think alot of people have not actually gone and looked at their updated slot layout and fitting resources. I had a dual propped maller with ~40k ehp and 500 dps at one point, which was not bad for a 15 mil isk hull imo Anyways for omen missioning, i'd think something like this will work well, Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch Tracking Computer II Cap Recharger II Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Medium Armor Repairer II Armor EM Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Capacitor Power Relay II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I 30km range, 300 dps with scorch 500 with multifrequency. Cap holds for 3.5 minutes, which should be fine considering the AB helps it speed tank anyways. This is a tad (1%) over PG limit, but im assuming you don't have t2 guns (and wont be flying l2's in an omen by the time you do) so you should not need a PG implant. Tituba.

MisterNick The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance 132	Posted - 2012.12.03 15:02:00 - [11] - Quote Far as I remember, the Maller has no drones. Therefore, i'd go Omen for level 2s, just in case you have trouble tracking those frigates. "Human beings make life so interesting. Do you know that in a universe so full of wonders, they have managed to invent boredom."
Alara IonStorm 3664	Posted - 2012.12.03 15:39:00 - [12] - Quote MisterNick wrote: Far as I remember, the Maller has no drones. Therefore, i'd go Omen for level 2s, just in case you have trouble tracking those frigates. Maller will have 3 Drones with Ret. --- The old Omen with an 800mm Plate, MWD, 5 Focused Pulse II's, 2 Trimarks and 1 ACR moved 1275m/s, had about 340 DPS and 20k EHP. What Trinket said in comparison new Omen has about 35% more tank, 20% more DPS and moves 1550m/s. It is worlds apart from the old Omen. In comparison to the Maller the Maller can match the Omens DPS with Heavy Pulse Laser and has a greater tank but moves around 300m/s slower, less Tracking / Drone Frigate Defense and less Capacitor. With Focused Pulse it can get around 60-75% more Tank but does less Dmg is still slower and has less cap. For a Shield fit it can be done with the Omen but it caps fast, has less tank ships with more mids. It's Heavy Pulse Opt is Warp Disruptor Rang though. 20k EHP, 1900m/s, 445 DPS Scorch / Warriors, 2min everything running with 2 CPR. Loose those and you can double Nano with a min of cap. I think I will fly the Armor Skirmish Omen most, leave Shield to other ships.
Gibbo3771 AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse 282	Posted - 2012.12.03 15:43:00 - [13] - Quote Looking at it from a PvP perspective, the Omen is like a laser Stabber except a little slower, much greater range and double the DPS. Anyone who armor fits it is a fool wh thru null \| Solo/Small Gang PvP
Gal'o Sengen State War Academy Caldari State 23	Posted - 2012.12.03 16:11:00 - [14] - Quote Gibbo3771 wrote: Looking at it from a PvP perspective, the Omen is like a laser Stabber except a little slower, much greater range and double the DPS. Anyone who armor fits it is a fool Armour tanked Fleet Stabber is best Stabber. Running away is for planet dwellers.
Jack Mayhem Kaer Industries 10	Posted - 2012.12.03 16:21:00 - [15] - Quote Gibbo3771 wrote: Looking at it from a PvP perspective, the Omen is like a laser Stabber except a little slower, much greater range and double the DPS. Anyone who armor fits it is a fool Wrong. Shield Omen, while has great DPS, will cap out in 1min. The best fit I could come up is such, and looks pretty good TBH. Speed: 1948 m/s DPS: 432@26km Cap-stable Quote: [Omen, pvp armor kiting Foc.Med.] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Energy Burst Aerator I Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 Stabber is 500 m/s faster but has only 180 DPS at 24km. Shield Omen (1 nano) is 200 m/s faster and has 500 DPS, but as mentioned above does not have any cap. Another alternative is to put medium rep instead of plate and medium cap booster instead of small, overheated it will rep 2760 armor per minute which is a bit lower than plate but better for prolonged encounters or deep in 0.0. EDIT: active fit has the same speed as shield fit, so overall it might be better than 800mm plate.
Solomar Espersei Quality Assurance 237	Posted - 2012.12.03 19:36:00 - [16] - Quote ONI is already a pretty good ship so I'm excited about the new redesigned Omen. Maller should be fun too. The smaller drone bay though is still an issue in my opinion. Particularly if Amarr are to be considered the #2 drone race. Quality Assurance RECRUITING OPEN https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=176314&find=unread
The VC's Spack Force 5 75	Posted - 2012.12.03 23:51:00 - [17] - Quote Back to the OP's question. Doing it in an Omen would be fun (it looks cooler), but for pve you'll need an active tank and you'll get better results from the Maller with it's resist bonus. Cap is an issue in pvp where you'll have a mwd fitted. For pve you can use an ab. Although it's been suggested that you fit hmpl's, you may be better off with fmpl's, especially if your fitting skills aren't strong yet. The dps difference isn't that much. In fact often with lasers, deciding which ones to fit is more a question of range vs tracking, not eft dps figures. The biggest thing the Omen has going for it is a full flight of drones for killing frigs. Personally I would just spend the time practising getting good shot with the Maller. It'll put you in good stead later on if you decide to pvp. Mail me in game if you want some fits.
Ohto Pach State War Academy Caldari State 4	Posted - 2012.12.06 09:17:00 - [18] - Quote Arbitrator. Even after Retribution Amarr still only has a single cruiser that isn't completely overshadowed by the other races' alternatives in most realistic scenarios. Then again, why would you fly an Amarr sub-BS T1 hull anyhows? Edit: Oh, I didn't realize OP was talking about missions. I was thinking PVPwise.
Decimus Wrex War Travelers 0	Posted - 2012.12.06 16:57:00 - [19] - Quote For missions? Neither. Get some good drone skills and fly an Arbitrator. Easy mode.
Caitlyn Tufy Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 48	Posted - 2012.12.06 18:57:00 - [20] - Quote I've done a considerable amount of level 2s and even level 3s in the new Omen, so that would be my pick. The ship is surprisingly sturdy for an attack cruiser, tbh. Frankly, right now I like it more than even the Arbitrator (no, it doesn't have to do with the AI, it has to do with Omen pulling off more dps).



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