If you run an armour tanking fleet then you are either restricting members to just a few ship types, or going in with much reduced DPS, as people drop damage mods to fit tank.

I can remember time before the Inferno when the armour fleets managed to run the whole constellation and close the mom themselves. Now it is nothing more than vanguards. What happened ffs? Is there any future for armour fleets?

To fit a decent tank, you need at least 4 slots. To contribute decent DPS, you need at least 3 damage mods. So to armour tank you need at least 7 low slots, whereas for shield tanking you need 3 lows and 4 mids. Therefore a much wider range of ships can shield tank, even those that are traditionally armour tankers. If you run an armour tanking fleet then you are either restricting members to just a few ship types, or going in with much reduced DPS, as people drop damage mods to fit tank.

dps is the same armor or shield.

just more lol missioners shield tank 4tw people around

So you can fit 3 damage mods and a few tracking ones on your armor tanker? impressive.

3 damage mods aren't problem, and you don't fit tracking mods into lows on armor ships, but into mids.

People mostly fly shields probably because shield reps are more responsive and because most of good incursioning ships perform much better with shield setup, having both freedom to go with lows and still have plenty of mids for utility stuff while having required tank.

Even damn Legion isn't really worse with shield setup than it is with armour, provided you invest in some bling. Unless it's some sort of mobile doctrine ofc.

Every site mechanics change helped shield fleets over armour fleets. Armour FCs were never consulted to my knowledge by CCP. I ask for the name of 1 armour FC consulted.

In Vanguards even though the wall of OTAs was finally broken with the removal of the Maras and the shortening of the distance of repping towers this ended up helping shields more.

In assaults the NCS's new warp in points overwelmingly made shield fleets stronger. All the additional cruiser & BS NPC eHP in OCF's also gave them an advantage. Jeez allowing BC's in the cruisers side of NCN's helped them more.

In HQ's nothing much changed.

If CCP had added more frigate NPCs it would have evened things out amongst the 2 fleet doctorines.

Majority of the Armor FC's ended up burning out ... I am surprised they outlived BTL & the Wall of OTA much to thier credit & thank them for the luv of the community though that they were able to put in

EDIT: I won't even go into how the lenghting of sites' completion times ended up crushing lo & null SEC Incursions

To fit a decent tank, you need at least 4 slots. To contribute decent DPS, you need at least 3 damage mods. So to armour tank you need at least 7 low slots, whereas for shield tanking you need 3 lows and 4 mids. Therefore a much wider range of ships can shield tank, even those that are traditionally armour tankers. If you run an armour tanking fleet then you are either restricting members to just a few ship types, or going in with much reduced DPS, as people drop damage mods to fit tank.

As far as i noticed armor fleets overtank and are wasting slots on plates and such,i personally think if u fielding plate on your ship while doing VG say goodbye to being competitive to shield fleet.

Armor fleets have had the plate requirement since long before the change to incursion mechanics. Some ships (specifically some faction battleships, but there are others) absolutely require plates, as they are big frickin' targets. As a logi pilot, it's kind of alarming when two of you are pumping four large reps and full flights of T2 rep drones into a faction battleship that's been primaried, yet it's STILL not keeping up with the damage. On smaller ships or ships with better resists, yes plates an be considered a bit of a luxury, but better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them. Especially when the logi pilots are strangers -- you don't know how good they are until you get into sites and things get hairy.

With three known competent logis, plates are needed less. But even good logi pilots can have an off day, or be slightly slow, or be distracted, or have their internet disconnect, or whatever.

Note that all of my incursion experience is from before the mechanics change. Real life and other games got in the way, and I just recently reactivated my accounts.