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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.12.02 04:16:00 -
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In case you aren't aware, ABCs aren't what it used to be. With a click you can keep yourself inform of the best ore to mine. Use our Ore Income website to inform yourself on the best ore to mine. Hope it helps.
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Vanria Vexed
Posiden Industrial
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Posted - 2012.12.02 05:54:00 -
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Another one? I prefer http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore . Playing EVE at times feels like putting a 10000 piece puzzle together, enjoying the accomplishment of succedding in completing it, then having some random stranger walk by and flip your table over. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
708
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Posted - 2012.12.02 09:00:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote: In case you aren't aware, ABCs aren't what it used to be.
if people weren't aware of this fact, it must be a very nice rock they're living under.
that website is the second coming of christ for miners. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
134
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Posted - 2012.12.02 09:41:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:In case you aren't aware, ABCs aren't what it used to be. With a click you can keep yourself inform of the best ore to mine. Use our Ore Income website to inform yourself on the best ore to mine. Hope it helps.
I've always liked your ore value overview page, but some months ago, it stopped updating, so I stopped using it. I'm glad you've resumed regular updates!
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
79
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Posted - 2012.12.02 14:52:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Block Ukx wrote: In case you aren't aware, ABCs aren't what it used to be.
if people weren't aware of this fact, it must be a very nice rock they're living under.
Well, you would be surprised. I was chating in the Minerals and Manufacturing channel and some people still beleive ABCs are the best ore to mine.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.12.02 14:53:00 -
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The main difference beetwen celestes and mine is that I have one page showing best ore to mine, no calculations need. The one on top of the table is the best.
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.12.02 14:54:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Block Ukx wrote:In case you aren't aware, ABCs aren't what it used to be. With a click you can keep yourself inform of the best ore to mine. Use our Ore Income website to inform yourself on the best ore to mine. Hope it helps. I've always liked your ore value overview page, but some months ago, it stopped updating, so I stopped using it. I'm glad you've resumed regular updates!
I appologize for my inactivity; I was away from the game due to personal reasons.
WE ARE BACK !
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
715
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Posted - 2012.12.02 17:34:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:Dave stark wrote:Block Ukx wrote: In case you aren't aware, ABCs aren't what it used to be.
if people weren't aware of this fact, it must be a very nice rock they're living under. Well, you would be surprised. I was chating in the Minerals and Manufacturing channel and some people still beleive ABCs are the best ore to mine.
that implies that you think people there are miners. i bet you are wrong. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
715
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Posted - 2012.12.02 17:35:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:The main difference beetwen celestes and mine is that I have one page showing best ore to mine, no calculations need. The one on top of the table is the best.
except, that's exactly what that website does, and more. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.12.02 19:09:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Block Ukx wrote:Dave stark wrote:Block Ukx wrote: In case you aren't aware, ABCs aren't what it used to be.
if people weren't aware of this fact, it must be a very nice rock they're living under. Well, you would be surprised. I was chating in the Minerals and Manufacturing channel and some people still beleive ABCs are the best ore to mine. that implies that you think people there are miners. i bet you are wrong.
Yes, they were miners. Some people don't quite get the concept that ISK per m3 is what matters.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
431
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Posted - 2012.12.02 20:13:00 -
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Actually isk per hour is what matters. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
105
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Posted - 2012.12.02 21:10:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Actually isk per hour is what matters.
^ Exactly this!
Isk per m3 is meaningless if you are wasting time specifically trying to only mine high yielding ores. If you are flying belt to belt looking only for Kernite while passing up pyro and scord there is a point where the time lost mining will surpass the value of only mining Kernite.
For example:
Mackinaw 1339 m3 per minute (no boosts, no implant, no drones, etc etc)
kernite 269.15 isk/m3 = 360,391isk / minute pyro 227.62 isk/m3 = 304,783isk / minute
55,608isk /minute difference
60 minutes mining pyro: 18,286,990 50 minutes mining kernite: 18,019,592
This means if you are spending more then 10 minutes per hour searching for the highest isk/m3 ore in highsec surpassing pyro and scordite you will have actually made less isk/hour.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
821
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Posted - 2012.12.02 21:17:00 -
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There is a difference though. It's to do with refining.
Veldspar goes from 33.3m3 to 10m3 so 0.3m3 of mineral per m3 of ore
Arkonor goes from 3200m3 to 7.9m3. so 0.002m3 of mineral per m3 of ore.
If you don't have a local market for the ore, the ABCs have /far/ simpler logistics.
FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.12.02 23:14:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Actually isk per hour is what matters.
In case you can't figure it out,
ISK_per_hour = ISK_per_m3 * Your_mining_rate.
Therefore, ISK per m3 is a better metric to use since due to skills everyone has a different mining rate.
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Intrepid Crossing
432
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Posted - 2012.12.02 23:59:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:Zifrian wrote:Actually isk per hour is what matters. In case you can't figure it out, ISK_per_hour = ISK_per_m3 * Your_mining_rate. Therefore, ISK per m3 is a better metric to use since due to skills everyone has a different mining rate. Yeah, I can figure it out. I wrote a whole part of a program that figures it out. Maybe you want to look into it? It's in my sig.
Your mining rate is exactly why isk per m3 is meaningless. If someone has Veldspar processing 4, can use T2 crystals, and has no other processing skills then Veldspar is probably the best thing they can mine, not the current top of the list ore.
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
80
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Posted - 2012.12.03 00:10:00 -
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Zifrian wrote: Your mining rate is exactly why isk per m3 is meaningless. If someone has Veldspar processing 4, can use T2 crystals, and has no other processing skills then Veldspar is probably the best thing they can mine, not the current top of the list ore.
ISK per m3 is the only way to comapre the various ore. This metric is independent of the individual mining rate, which makes it the best metric to COMPARE ores.
If you don't have the skills then it is time you get them for the top ore. ISK per m3 will guide you as to what skills to train.
Best of all, is one place to check the best ore to mine. Nothing to download and can be view IGB. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
136
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Posted - 2012.12.03 03:59:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Block Ukx wrote:The main difference beetwen celestes and mine is that I have one page showing best ore to mine, no calculations need. The one on top of the table is the best. except, that's exactly what that website does, and more.
Block's list of ore values is a lot easier to read than Cerleste's.
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Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
715
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Posted - 2012.12.03 07:58:00 -
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Salpad wrote:Dave stark wrote:Block Ukx wrote:The main difference beetwen celestes and mine is that I have one page showing best ore to mine, no calculations need. The one on top of the table is the best. except, that's exactly what that website does, and more. Block's list of ore values is a lot easier to read than Cerleste's.
really? easier than going "the one at the top is the best isk/m3?" it doesn't get easier than that, in addition you can filter it in to best isk/m3 for each sec, high, low and null. etc. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.12.03 11:45:00 -
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Dave stark wrote: really? easier than going "the one at the top is the best isk/m3?" it doesn't get easier than that,...
Exactly, and that is what the Ore Income website does.
In any case, I'm certain people can visit both sites; one website does not preclude you from visiting the other.
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
282
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Posted - 2012.12.03 15:57:00 -
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ISk/m3 is the ONLY way to effectively compare ores.
Where many miners fail is determining their actual m3/minute rather than the max yield of their ship.
You need to consider how much time is wasted looking for the high value rocks. You need to consider how much time is wasted on small rocks that pop after 1-2 cycles.
Some large ores refine into much smaller amounts, like Arknor as already stated. But how much volume you need to move after refining does not in any way affect how many m3 you bring in. only how easy it is to get it to market.
The belief that the value pre m3 after refining is more important is a major factor in why Omber was so under valued for so long. Now nobody mines it, and the price is going up fast.
Now I am not saying refining yields are not a major factor, but this is far more variable so can not be used in a direct comparison. For example; comparing m3 of material to be moved between raw ore and refined minerals makes a far larger difference to a miner mining in a system with a station they can get 100% refine at, than it does for a miner that has to travel several jumps to reach a refinery. Again there is a huge difference depending on how far your refinery is to the nearest trade hub.
A good rule of thumb I have seen across many different corps, is a good miner should be able to pull in at least 1500m3/minute before boosts. You do not need max skills for this, but fairly close. I also use a jet can volume of raw ore when comparing price. Although I have not jet can mined in two years it seems to be a good volume for comparison. The profits and what ores are close in value. A good miner with good skills and paying attention should pull in close to 3 jetcans worth of ore per hour unboosted, and about 5 jetcans worth with a good boost. This is actual yield not theoretical maximum.
Veldspar is again one of the lower value ores but is also most abundant so you can pull more of it per minute in actual yield per hour, once considering the extra time switching rocks, and moving belts, to cherrypick. So that makes it worth mining as if you avoid it your actual m3/minute will drop. According to Cerlestes.de the current average value of high sec ore per jetcan (27500m3) is about 5.9 million. Omber has actually risen to be right on par at 5.6 mil per Jetcan while Veldspar is back at the bottom at 5.1 mil. Only a half mil spread is not bad for such a volume. So an good miner that knows how to mine, should pull in on average over 17 mil per hour unboosted or up to 30 mil with good boosts in high sec.
30 mil per hour is indeed about the max a miner can pull in from high sec. But for those aspiring miners out there, keep in mind you need near max skills, and a near max boost to get even close to that. Max skills with no boost will still put you under 20 mil per hour. Mining without a booster will not give you near the max returns.
Low sec ores are currently averaging 7.8 mil per jetcan, while null sec ores(excluding SPOD and mercoxit) are averaging about 5.6 but rising quickly. And SPOD is still down at 2.3 while mercoxit is at 12.2. I expect it will not be much longer before the balance returns and null sec ores return to the top of the stack where they should be. |
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Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:45:00 -
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Prices down tonight.
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Piugattuk
Lima beans Corp
109
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Posted - 2012.12.06 06:07:00 -
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Veldspar being the largest ingredient in any build this is no wonder Veldspar and scordite are the most sought after, Ark pays well but is used less in builds, supply and demand, all those Caldari navy ravens and SNI, Machs and more large builds. |
Block Ukx
Forge Laboratories
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Posted - 2012.12.12 02:15:00 -
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Nocxium Futures December 29th @ 760
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Kiger Wulf
Wulf Brother Insustries
0
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Posted - 2012.12.12 04:06:00 -
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Apologies for the noobness of my queries, however I was wondering if any of you could help here.
Down below, Bugsy VanHalen mentions mining rates:
1500m3/minute is seen as a minimum.
Was this a typo? Without boosts, I'm pulling in 1536 per CYCLE, which is every 3 minutes.
What do I need to do in order to triple my mining rate to what is seen as an acceptable BASE for mining?
Thanks for the help!
EDIT:
I suppose there is some clarifications necessary. Are we referring to a Hulk or a Mackinaw? My rate is referring to piloting a Mackinaw, solo. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
303
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Posted - 2012.12.12 17:15:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:The main difference beetwen celestes and mine is that I have one page showing best ore to mine, no calculations need. The one on top of the table is the best.
Given risk, logistics, and market value I find it hard to believe that people are still laboring under than impression. Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Tierius Fro
Coronado's Cross
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Posted - 2012.12.12 18:35:00 -
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I have always been a fan of Hemo (even when mining in null and WH) due to the mix of minerals and it's overall value per time spent. Although, I am not much of an ISK miner. I mine to feed my manufacturing projects. http://ridingevewormhole.blogspot.com/
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Dave stark
797
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Posted - 2012.12.12 20:01:00 -
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Tierius Fro wrote:I have always been a fan of Hemo (even when mining in null and WH) due to the mix of minerals and it's overall value per time spent. Although, I am not much of an ISK miner. I mine to feed my manufacturing projects.
not mining for isk/hour is stupid. sell what you don't need and buy what you do. i guess in a wormhole you can kinda go around that rule but if you could double your isk hour by not mining ore x because it's shiny, you really should. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
297
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Posted - 2012.12.12 20:27:00 -
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Block Ukx wrote:Dave stark wrote:Block Ukx wrote: In case you aren't aware, ABCs aren't what it used to be.
if people weren't aware of this fact, it must be a very nice rock they're living under. Well, you would be surprised. I was chating in the Minerals and Manufacturing channel and some people still beleive ABCs are the best ore to mine. It has only been in recent months that people stopped mining Omber. Halada's miners guide said to mine Omber, it was the best high sec ore when the guide was written. Thats what they did, mined Omber. Many never bothered to check if it was still worth mining. Finally miners have stopped mining it, stocks have depleted, and it is finally coming back up in price. For some reason many players just do not do any research.
Considering that in null sec you need much better organization and protection, logically you should need a much higher return per m3 to make it worth while. But even now with all null sec ores at or below the top valued high sec ores there are still loads of miners mining high ends in null sec. Why? because they are set up and can not be bothered to move. If they were doing it for the isk they would not be mining. Dropping prices will not stop them. |
Dave stark
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Posted - 2012.12.12 20:29:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Halada's miners guide said to mine Omber, the guide also said to check yourself, so people are being punished for their own laziness and stupidity. just as it should be. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
849
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Posted - 2012.12.12 21:09:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Block Ukx wrote:Dave stark wrote:Block Ukx wrote: In case you aren't aware, ABCs aren't what it used to be.
if people weren't aware of this fact, it must be a very nice rock they're living under. Well, you would be surprised. I was chating in the Minerals and Manufacturing channel and some people still beleive ABCs are the best ore to mine. It has only been in recent months that people stopped mining Omber. Halada's miners guide said to mine Omber, it was the best high sec ore when the guide was written. Thats what they did, mined Omber. Many never bothered to check if it was still worth mining. Finally miners have stopped mining it, stocks have depleted, and it is finally coming back up in price. For some reason many players just do not do any research. Considering that in null sec you need much better organization and protection, logically you should need a much higher return per m3 to make it worth while. But even now with all null sec ores at or below the top valued high sec ores there are still loads of miners mining high ends in null sec. Why? because they are set up and can not be bothered to move. If they were doing it for the isk they would not be mining. Dropping prices will not stop them.
As I've mentioned though, mining lowends in null isn't the world's best idea. Sure they might be worth more, but hauling it all to Jita takes /significantly/ more space. Which means more jumps. Which adjusts the price downwards FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
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