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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 12:56:00 -
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It is not right that CCP let New Players buy and use Old game Char. !
I know of 2 Old game char. that now has new players that use them!
To me this is just like cheating!
The player did not make the isk to train for the skills they have!
The player did not do the missions for the standings they have!
But yet the new player can get on the game and use the ISK and skills and standing to do any thing they like with out all the time spent to learn!
I know of 2 old char. that has new players in them!
1. Delvar
2. I'm hojo
Why not strip the skills and standings and set it all the way back like what a new player will have?
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Thanit
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Posted - 2005.05.03 12:58:00 -
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Depends, how did they aquire the characters ?
Bought them for isk: then it's fine.
Got them any other way: then it's ban.
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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Thanit
Depends, how did they aquire the characters ?
Bought them for isk: then it's fine.
Got them any other way: then it's ban.
ISK or real money they have no rights to them Skills or Standings!
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: Thanit
Depends, how did they aquire the characters ?
Bought them for isk: then it's fine.
Got them any other way: then it's ban.
ISK or real money they have no rights to them Skills or Standings!
Pretty strong feelings for a day old character 
It's perfectly legal to buy a character for isk, lots of people do it. Most of the people who buy characters are rich themselfes so its not like they wont have lots of skill points themselfes.
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Jim Steele
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:11:00 -
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Most of the people are rich who want a specific char for something special, eg a hauler alt, me, i can only afford one set of subs otherwise id get a hauler or inty alt or something.
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Khatred
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:12:00 -
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So according to your "Whaaa Whaaa WHaaa" whine, if I get a friend to play Eve and he likes it I should wait 1 year before he has my combat skills.
Maybe you have no friends.
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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: MadGaz
Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: Thanit
Depends, how did they aquire the characters ?
Bought them for isk: then it's fine.
Got them any other way: then it's ban.
ISK or real money they have no rights to them Skills or Standings!
Pretty strong feelings for a day old character
It's perfectly legal to buy a character for isk, lots of people do it. Most of the people who buy characters are rich themselfes so its not like they wont have lots of skill points themselfes.
They still did not Train that char. or did the missions with that char.!
A Cheat is when some one gets some thing they did have to do what others in the game had to do!
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Thanit
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Thanit on 03/05/2005 13:16:40
Originally by: Khatred
So according to your "Whaaa Whaaa WHaaa" whine, if I get a friend to play Eve and he likes it I should wait 1 year before he has my combat skills.
Maybe you have no friends.
Well, yes. He would have to, unless you buy a char with your isk and transfer it to him for free of course.
Char transfering is disputable in terms of morality, but it's not that wrong that it screws up the game. And it's going to happen anyway, nothing to do about it other then regulate it. Would you rather see every character that is old and quits to be destroyed ?
Or do you think that as another veteran player (or alt of one I assume), you have more rights to getting these chars then new players have ?
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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Khatred
So according to your "Whaaa Whaaa WHaaa" whine, if I get a friend to play Eve and he likes it I should wait 1 year before he has my combat skills.
Maybe you have no friends.
I did not Whine and it sounds like to me you wish there was no need for the time it takes to train!
Or the time it takes to build standings!
Why bother to even play this game then ?
If you need some other person to do it all for you and your friend!
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: Khatred
So according to your "Whaaa Whaaa WHaaa" whine, if I get a friend to play Eve and he likes it I should wait 1 year before he has my combat skills.
Maybe you have no friends.
I did not Whine and it sounds like to me you wish there was no need for the time it takes to train!
Or the time it takes to build standings!
Why bother to even play this game then ?
If you need some other person to do it all for you and your friend!
the Q I got to ask is why do you care ??
like I see it he wont have the experiance in Eve that I do so even if I have only played 3 months and a NOOB buy a 1 year old Charector I will be better at making isk,combat, producing and pretty much everything in Eve
SP (and isk) is not everything in this game you know
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Paw Sandberg
Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: Khatred
So according to your "Whaaa Whaaa WHaaa" whine, if I get a friend to play Eve and he likes it I should wait 1 year before he has my combat skills.
Maybe you have no friends.
I did not Whine and it sounds like to me you wish there was no need for the time it takes to train!
Or the time it takes to build standings!
Why bother to even play this game then ?
If you need some other person to do it all for you and your friend!
the Q I got to ask is why do you care ??
like I see it he wont have the experiance in Eve that I do so even if I have only played 3 months and a NOOB buy a 1 year old Charector I will be better at making isk,combat, producing and pretty much everything in Eve
SP (and isk) is not everything in this game you know
They may not know how to use them yet but they have the skills that it takes in a game to mine better or build better or fight better then another new char. !
And they have the standings to go right to a high LVL mission with no work for it!
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:31:00 -
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Its lame
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:32:00 -
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Well, if they do that, they're very likely to lose their ships right away anyway. Which would even things out a bit.
But for pve and non-combat actions, this practice does have alot of effect. In combat, skill points matter alot less].
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anter
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:33:00 -
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boohooo... so they played a lot for their isk and actually played game instead just login switch skill training and logoff.
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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rod Blaine
Well, if they do that, they're very likely to lose their ships right away anyway. Which would even things out a bit.
But for pve and non-combat actions, this practice does have alot of effect. In combat, skill points matter alot less].
What if they have LVL 5 Uber skills with snipe and the ship and guns so this will not matter if they never did work for them?
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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: anter
boohooo... so they played a lot for their isk and actually played game instead just login switch skill training and logoff.
Gee let me think had on this one .....
Your one that paid or sold a char.
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anter
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: anter on 03/05/2005 13:40:07
Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Well, if they do that, they're very likely to lose their ships right away anyway. Which would even things out a bit.
But for pve and non-combat actions, this practice does have alot of effect. In combat, skill points matter alot less].
What if they have LVL 5 Uber skills with snipe and the ship and guns so this will not matter if they never did work for them?
But they did. They got the isk for buying the char in the first place and I wouldnt call 'work' something that is just switching skills and wait.
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anter
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: anter
boohooo... so they played a lot for their isk and actually played game instead just login switch skill training and logoff.
Gee let me think had on this one .....
Your one that paid or sold a char.
Wrong. I didnt and never would myself as I got myself good enough char.
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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: anter
Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Well, if they do that, they're very likely to lose their ships right away anyway. Which would even things out a bit.
But for pve and non-combat actions, this practice does have alot of effect. In combat, skill points matter alot less].
What if they have LVL 5 Uber skills with snipe and the ship and guns so this will not matter if they never did work for them?
But they did. They got the isk for buying the char in the first place and I wouldnt call 'work' somethng that is just switching skills and wait.
Ok if you see it that way why not just give every player all lvl 5 skills and the ships for free!
Like wow what a great game that will be!
As if
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anter
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: RavensMask
Ok if you see it that way why not just give every player all lvl 5 skills and the ships for free!
Like wow what a great game that will be!
As if
lol exaggerate more?  I find it funny that it bothers you so much. Quit whining, go play and have fun.
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: anter
Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Well, if they do that, they're very likely to lose their ships right away anyway. Which would even things out a bit.
But for pve and non-combat actions, this practice does have alot of effect. In combat, skill points matter alot less].
What if they have LVL 5 Uber skills with snipe and the ship and guns so this will not matter if they never did work for them?
But they did. They got the isk for buying the char in the first place and I wouldnt call 'work' somethng that is just switching skills and wait.
Ok if you see it that way why not just give every player all lvl 5 skills and the ships for free!
Like wow what a great game that will be!
As if
i'm fairly sure you must understand this really, but just in case...
player a earns lots of isk, and decides they need an extra charactor (maybe to help with lvl 4 missions for instance.)
It would take them a long time to train up this charactor
instead they could just buy one from someone and start using it immediately.
notice that this does not put a completley new player into an old charactor. it puts an old player into an old charactor.
now, if a new player was getting into an old charactor, then that probably would be wrong, as theres not many ways they could have paid for it (eg. bought the isk for rl money, but the char for rl money, or possibly have a freind of theirs (who is an old player) buy the char for them)
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:51:00 -
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Edited by: Omber Zombie on 03/05/2005 13:51:44
Is there a point to your ranting?
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Ugluuk
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:52:00 -
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A good character cost alot of isk..
So imo if a guy works so hard on earning around 1bill+ to buy a 20mill character then he deserves it..
For a total noob it will take months to earn that isk..
When i quit Eve i might give my character to my brother..He have played a 14 day trial only but i wont call him a cheater cause he gets my Ugluuk..
If you had played one month and then got the offer to get my character for free..
Then i doubt you would have said no.
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Swan Filters
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Posted - 2005.05.03 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Swan Filters on 03/05/2005 13:59:40
IMO, a MMO where you start off with the skill levels etc set at what you want would be FAR more fun. These games are NOT all about skilling up... that is the worst part of any MMORPG. The fun is the interaction with others, and most skilling up is a solitary and tedious practice. If you start off with all lvl 5 skills then at least you can get straight into playing the game, roleplaying, etc etc.
Call me cynical, but all MMORPG companies only put in skilling up and things like that to keep people playing and up the addiction stakes... carrots, donkeys etc etc
In CCP's defence, at least they have the decency to let you skill up offline, or without actually having to repeatedley macro the skill.
It does sort of sicken me that the old Nike style sweatshops in poor countries have started up in relation to MMORPGs. Some poor bastards in Taiwan or somewhere are now put to work skilling up characters so some loser at the top of the company can make a killing selling them to Westerners.
All IMVVVVVHO.
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.05.03 14:11:00 -
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This represents the same problem as buying items for cash (good one Sony). The wealthy already have all the advantages in RL, why should they also get those same advantages in video games? These things are meant to be escapes from RL, not mirrors of it. With that said I can't say the issue keeps me up at night but I do believe it deserves a solid "lame".
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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gift
This represents the same problem as buying items for cash (good one Sony). The wealthy already have all the advantages in RL, why should they also get those same advantages in video games? These things are meant to be escapes from RL, not mirrors of it. With that said I can't say the issue keeps me up at night but I do believe it deserves a solid "lame".
 Thank you for the Lame vote I take total pride in it same as when I say I like punk rock and Devo  Yep im Lame and take honor in it.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.05.03 14:23:00 -
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thats another thing if you got all the skills and all the ISK whats the point of playing
a NOOB that buys a account wont play as long as a NOOb that trains a account from scratch imo
cause there are no goals to meet
Thank You
Paw Sandberg
for all your BPC needs see
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=55706&page=1
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.05.03 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: RavensMask
Ok if you see it that way why not just give every player all lvl 5 skills and the ships for free!
Like wow what a great game that will be!
As if
Why do you care? Pathetic... 
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Gift
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Posted - 2005.05.03 14:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gift on 03/05/2005 15:01:54
Originally by: RavensMask
Originally by: Gift
This represents the same problem as buying items for cash (good one Sony). The wealthy already have all the advantages in RL, why should they also get those same advantages in video games? These things are meant to be escapes from RL, not mirrors of it. With that said I can't say the issue keeps me up at night but I do believe it deserves a solid "lame".
Thank you for the Lame vote I take total pride in it same as when I say I like punk rock and Devo Yep im Lame and take honor in it.
hey, nothing wrong with Devo
and Im not sure I understand your reply since for the most part i was in agreement with your original post.
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RavensMask
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Posted - 2005.05.03 15:14:00 -
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I like your post Gift
But I like to think of Lame as what make things brake there mold.
lol
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