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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.10 08:50:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Bono One wrote:
Thus bypassing over 120 days of training and picking up 7-14 million SP?
Correct?
If you trained Destroyers and Battlecruisers to V you get 6.144.000 SP free. Don-¦t forget to update your clone! We are not going to get any "free SP". More SP isn't better if we don't get any new abilities at same time. Since we don't gain any new skills to fly other ship we couldn't currently fly. Only thing we get from this is more expensive clones. I wouldn't call that that an advantage.
It actually is free SP when you get a few million more than you had the day before for nothing. Expensive clones aren't a concern for me because I'm not in the habit of wanting to get podded rather than fly home. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
206
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Posted - 2012.12.10 11:03:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Bono One wrote:
Thus bypassing over 120 days of training and picking up 7-14 million SP?
Correct?
If you trained Destroyers and Battlecruisers to V you get 6.144.000 SP free. Don-¦t forget to update your clone! We are not going to get any "free SP". More SP isn't better if we don't get any new abilities at same time. Since we don't gain any new skills to fly other ship we couldn't currently fly. Only thing we get from this is more expensive clones. I wouldn't call that that an advantage.
Perhaps not "free" in relation to the current state, agreed, but free compared to someone who will have to train an additional 3 Battlecruisers and Destroyer skills each... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Varactyl Charante
Under the Wings of Fury The Marmite Collective
1
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Posted - 2012.12.14 00:50:00 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Bono One wrote:
Thus bypassing over 120 days of training and picking up 7-14 million SP?
Correct?
If you trained Destroyers and Battlecruisers to V you get 6.144.000 SP free. Don-¦t forget to update your clone! We are not going to get any "free SP". More SP isn't better if we don't get any new abilities at same time. Since we don't gain any new skills to fly other ship we couldn't currently fly. Only thing we get from this is more expensive clones. I wouldn't call that that an advantage. Perhaps not "free" in relation to the current state, agreed, but free compared to someone who will have to train an additional 3 Battlecruisers and Destroyer skills each...
And don't forget that this opens some players up for consideration for the corps that have a minimum SP requirement. " I figured I could learn EVE like I learned Call Of Duty.-á Just go out and die 'till I find out what works."~ Soruko Charante |
OtoBnAggie
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.14 04:26:00 -
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Verushka Atreides wrote:I think the point of concern is will there be a specific date given or notice regarding the change due to a scenario such as :
New player,
Gets frig 4 for 1 race, gets cruiser (say to 4 for that race) then decides to train BC.
If that new player is sitting there training BC V and is like 1 day away then bam skill change hits. they've lost 20ish days of training.
Sure they were able to fly a BC at skill 4 for the race they selected, and they still can, but now they are set back the entire skill train of V, vs being at V the next day. That could be pretty discouraging to a player only a month or few old.
/disclaimer
of course I'm an alt
Oh good God, thank you for pointing this out. After reading this thread I am exhausted. The very simple question that was asked on December third (and has yet to be answered) was: Has a date been announced because I want to know if I have time to squeeze in Battlecruiser 5.
This is what I want to know too. If I have Battlecruisers 5 at 97% (and all other requirements) will I receive 4 faction battlecruiser skills at 97% to level 5 OR will I receive 4 faction battlecruiser skills at a flat level 4? Does anyone have an answer to that question?
20+ days is a lot of training to lose for anyone new player or otherwise. Yes they have given lots of notice, and we all agree that we should do it, but without an actual date and how this is going to be handled it really affects whether its worth bothering to even try. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2012.12.14 22:17:00 -
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They said somewhere that they'll be giving full skills only. If you start training BC5 now, you'll still make it, the change is unlikely to happen in early january. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1171
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Posted - 2012.12.15 00:59:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:They said somewhere that they'll be giving full skills only. If you start training BC5 now, you'll still make it, the change is unlikely to happen in early january. I think I've posted this at least twice already, but probably to the other countless threads on this topic...
CCP Fozzie wrote:Gilbaron wrote:given i have BC 4.5 (trained 50%) and all cruiser skills at V, will i get all BC skills at 4 or at 4.5 ? Only rational integers need apply https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149251#post2149251 |
OtoBnAggie
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.15 04:32:00 -
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Thanks for the link! I just read through 49 pages of posts!
For those who would rather read these two pages All I can say is that this thread has the math figured out. As to the timeline there is nothing official announced. People seem to think it will be APPROXIMATELY 2 months after November 6. Other people keep saying "Spring" Some people say sometime in January.
All Fozzie said was that it would be done after the rebalancing of the destroyers and battle cruisers. I personally read that to mean that there will be one patch rolled out that will balance the ships, and then a second patch that will be rolled out that seperates the skills into races. I am only speculating though. He could very simply mean that he will get to programming it after he finishes balancing the ships and it will be rolled out in one patch.
As for what happens if you have Battlecruisers or destroyers partially trained to V or between levels there is no discussion as to what happens to those "spare change" points. The skills will be given in flat levels.
I personally have all of these trained up to the appropriate levels with the exception of battlecruisers. I am training it to V now and will finish on January 8. So that is my concern. If I get 99% done and they roll out the new skillbooks on January 7th then I would HOPE that I would get all racial battlecruisers skills at level 4, and I would be refunded the 99% "spare change." which I could then apply to ONE of the racial battlecruiser skills.
I would still be sad that I just barely missed 3 extra skills at level 5, but at least I wouldn't feel like I lost the time.
Again, all this is speculation. |
Escomboli
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2012.12.15 12:14:00 -
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Train them now.
Racial Frigs 4 -> Racial Cruisers 3 -> Destroyers 5 -> BC 5
There is no reason NOT to train these skill at this point. That is unless you are a masochist and want to have to train every racial destroyer and BC to 5 after the change.
Hell, I even switched my full cha alt toon from leadership skills to get this done before the change. |
OtoBnAggie
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.15 17:12:00 -
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Escomboli wrote:Train them now.
Racial Frigs 4 -> Racial Cruisers 3 -> Destroyers 5 -> BC 5
There is no reason NOT to train these skill at this point. That is unless you are a masochist and want to have to train every racial destroyer and BC to 5 after the change.
Hell, I even switched my full cha alt toon from leadership skills to get this done before the change.
Here is the reason NOT to train it. Are you ready? This is what only a couple people on this thread are understanding: If I am going to spend 20 days training a skill and I don't make the deadline and I lose those skill points then I would rather not train battlecruiser to 5 and use those 20 days of skillpoints on something that will not be taken away from me.
That's why people are freaking out about wanting to know when the date of the change is. It's a lot of if's, but thats the point. This is not being answered by the Devs and so people do not know how to proceed in the most efficient way possible. |
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
58
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Posted - 2012.12.15 17:15:00 -
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OtoBnAggie wrote:Oh good God, thank you for pointing this out. After reading this thread I am exhausted. The very simple question that was asked on December third (and has yet to be answered) was: Has a date been announced because I want to know if I have time to squeeze in Battlecruiser 5.
This is what I want to know too. If I have Battlecruisers 5 at 97% (and all other requirements) will I receive 4 faction battlecruiser skills at 97% to level 5 OR will I receive 4 faction battlecruiser skills at a flat level 4? Does anyone have an answer to that question?
20+ days is a lot of training to lose for anyone new player or otherwise. Yes they have given lots of notice, and we all agree that we should do it, but without an actual date and how this is going to be handled it really affects whether its worth bothering to even try.
The second reply answered your question: no. In fact, all of your questions, as well as several others, have been answered in this thread and somehow there are still heads in the clouds. There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
63
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:55:00 -
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OtoBnAggie wrote:Escomboli wrote:Train them now.
Racial Frigs 4 -> Racial Cruisers 3 -> Destroyers 5 -> BC 5
There is no reason NOT to train these skill at this point. That is unless you are a masochist and want to have to train every racial destroyer and BC to 5 after the change.
Hell, I even switched my full cha alt toon from leadership skills to get this done before the change. Here is the reason NOT to train it. Are you ready? This is what only a couple people on this thread are understanding: If I am going to spend 20 days training a skill and I don't make the deadline and I lose those skill points then I would rather not train battlecruiser to 5 and use those 20 days of skillpoints on something that will not be taken away from me. That's why people are freaking out about wanting to know when the date of the change is. It's a lot of if's, but thats the point. This is not being answered by the Devs and so people do not know how to proceed in the most efficient way possible. As far as I know, there has not been any statement from CCP regarding this specifically. My experience with CCP in the past tells me, that they take skillpoint issues very seriously. So in my opinion it is unlikely, that they would let you "lose" those skillpoints.
The likely thing to happen is, that you are just refunded those skillpoints you trained and that didn't lead in time to another level of the skill.
If you want to be sure, petition your issue with those skillpoints, but without asking for a specific date for the change. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
249
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Posted - 2012.12.15 20:14:00 -
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OtoBnAggie wrote:Escomboli wrote:Train them now.
Racial Frigs 4 -> Racial Cruisers 3 -> Destroyers 5 -> BC 5
There is no reason NOT to train these skill at this point. That is unless you are a masochist and want to have to train every racial destroyer and BC to 5 after the change.
Hell, I even switched my full cha alt toon from leadership skills to get this done before the change. Here is the reason NOT to train it. Are you ready? This is what only a couple people on this thread are understanding: If I am going to spend 20 days training a skill and I don't make the deadline and I lose those skill points then I would rather not train battlecruiser to 5 and use those 20 days of skillpoints on something that will not be taken away from me. That's why people are freaking out about wanting to know when the date of the change is. It's a lot of if's, but thats the point. This is not being answered by the Devs and so people do not know how to proceed in the most efficient way possible.
This change comes after they they have rebalanced T1 Battlecruisers and T1 Battleships.
Do you see any ot the rebalanced battlecruisers or battleships on test server? No.
Do they need time to test them on test server before release to TQ? Yes.
Is proper testing possible in 20 days or less? Most likely not. |
OtoBnAggie
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.16 01:15:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote: My experience with CCP in the past tells me, that they take skillpoint issues very seriously. So in my opinion it is unlikely, that they would let you "lose" those skillpoints.
The likely thing to happen is, that you are just refunded those skillpoints you trained and that didn't lead in time to another level of the skill.
This has been my experience too. I agree that this is most likely.
Jorma Morkkis wrote: Is proper testing possible in 20 days or less? Most likely not.
I don't have any experience with the test server, but this is good insight. I had no idea it wasnt in testing yet. This is another great peice of speculation. I bet youre right. Thanks! |
Cesare Maken
Ciclons International Pirates
0
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:08:00 -
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Can I have information about these changes? Ok now I have all the frigates liv liv 4 all cruisers 4 is all bs of all races after the change as well as adding BC race is racial Destryers there are other changes? I mean I can fly with all the BS after I can still fly with all the BS I will be deprived of the skill or BS? I've read various posts but I tell the truth I just had so much confusion. Thank you for the information I give. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
40
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Posted - 2012.12.22 01:04:00 -
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u hav tiem train nao. no remap required http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Singularity <-all items in market cost 100 ISK on the test server ;-) dunno about you, but I'm here strictly for the pretty spaceships. |
Oswald XIII
DEF Intergalactic Ltd. GALACTIC UNI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.12.23 12:57:00 -
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As a player who just joined with 1.5mil SP to spend as I like, and seeing the BC changes... Yay for me! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5630
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:37:00 -
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Oswald XIII wrote:As a player who just joined with 1.5mil SP to spend as I like, and seeing the BC changes... Yay for me!
I've literally never heard anyone ever complain about having BC V trained. Good choice, sir!
(Don't forget the Cruiser skills) MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
45
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Posted - 2012.12.26 06:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Oswald XIII wrote:As a player who just joined with 1.5mil SP to spend as I like, and seeing the BC changes... Yay for me! I've literally never heard anyone ever complain about having BC V trained. Good choice, sir! (Don't forget the Cruiser skills)
the nice thing is he kills alot of headaches later in life. The cruiser skills can be fillers as he figures out what BC's he likes. And in time CS's. I sure as hell would not want to retrain BC 5 more than once when say drake lost its thrill and wanted to give canes a go. Or trade in a NH for sleipnir.
Plus with the fun factor of the tier 3's....this jsut a really nice to have skill level now even if no desire to run command ships. Only downside is if you are caldari. The naga at BC 5 makes the rokh seem so meh in comparison damage output wise. |
Marr Aridia
Viziam Amarr Empire
41
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Posted - 2012.12.27 07:10:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:As in last gazzillion of threads with the same question: no, there is no timeframe nor definitive info on when and exactly how. Except of vague sentence from devblog hinting it would be a good idea to train those skills "soon".
That's why I spent all of December getting Dessies and BC to V. To avoid 'having' this issue in the first place. Get it out of the way sooner rather than later. Do not assume CCP will give you warning..
Most importantly, don't bother unless you actually fly Dessies and BCs. Drone Module Mockup v1.0 / Drone Weapons Platform Mockup v1.0 / Discussion: Making Drones a Viable Weapons Platform in EVE |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1268
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Posted - 2012.12.27 11:24:00 -
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The very last of my alts to train BC 5, and the one to start the latest (I really didn't care = lab alt) has under 2 days left.
Seriously, why is this still a topic? Geez, I thought I was a procrastinator. |
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