Simply put has there been a timeframe for these skill changes listed?

I managed to fit in the Destroyer V and last racial frigate skill i did not have to V.
So im fine for the destroyer skill change but the Battlecruiser skills are an issue,
I'm missing two skills at level V for Amarr and Mini and while i have BC V i don't want to miss out.

Any hints on if the skill changes will be for tomorrow or will come in the next expansion?
I've read people saying that the destroyer changes will be tomorrow and the BC changes in the summer?

thanks - Spy

You don't need Frigates at V to get the 4 racial Destroyer skills. Ditto Cruisers for the racial Battlecruisers. IIRC, the requirement is 3 for both.

I dont know if having the BC V and racial cruiser at 3 will give you the new skills at level 5

I dont know if having the BC V and racial cruiser at 3 will give you the new skills at level 5 but naturally training these skills to level 5 would lead to maximum reimbursement, giving me the Caldari battle cruiser skill at level 5 for example. Again the wording on all this has been difficult for me to interpret.

Just to avoid any misunderstanding:

Destroyer level X + Racial Frigate 3 = Racial Destroyer level X

Battlecruiser level X + Racial Cruiser Level 3 = Racial Battlecruiser level X

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145728#post2145728
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145814#post2145814 [best example]
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2146090#post2146090
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2149140#post2149140


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2155506#post2155506


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2145578#post2145578


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2146465#post2146465


Destroyers 5 (rank 2) = 2 * 256,000 skill points
Battlecruisers 5 (rank 6) = 6 * 256,000 skill points

Max Free Skill Points = 3 * Destroyers 5 + 3 * Battlecruisers 5
= 3 * (2 * 256,000) + 3 * (6 * 256,000)
= 6,144,000

Free Training Time @ 2,700 skill points per hour = Max Free Skill Points / 2,700
= 6,144,000 / 2,700
= 2,275.55 hours
= 94d 19h 33m 20s

Although their has been no definitive answer from CCP on exactly how or when the changes will come. The last word from CCP FOZZIE was train them now. If the change comes mid January(not confirmed in any way) that 20-25 days will need to start soon to complete in time.

Think about it. If they just decide to implement it in mid January with only 1-2 days notice what will happen.?

Will you complain, oh no, I don't have enough time now, WTF?

CCP will say, we told you many months ago this change was coming. If you did not train the skills in that time, it is your own fault. CCP has not said when it will be implemented. CCP Fozzie did say a week or two ago, train them now.

How much bigger of a hint do you need? A CCP dev telling you, train them now! Is about as obvious as a HUGE NEON SIGN right in front of you.

I would suggest if you have not already done so, train them now! If you decide to wait because your current remap will not be optimized for it, that is your loss if you miss the window.

Train it now, or STFU. If the change happens and you miss the opportunity you will look like a real idiot for not getting it done now.

I trained them all months ago when the dev blog came out. you do not need anything to 5 but the actual dessy and BC skills. frig 4, cruiser 4, for each race. In fact current requirements for BC are only cruiser 3 so even getting each races cruiser to 4 can wait until after getting destroyers and battlecruisers to 5 just to be sure you get them.

If my understanding is correct there is some benefit to L5 topping off Destroyers, Battlecruisers, Amarr Frigate (1st Racial Rebalance), Caldari Frigate, Gallente Frigate and then Minmatar Frigate.

Is it possible that the extremely vague statement made by a dev was a tongue in cheek joke to see how many people will all start training these 6 skills to L5 asap?

Only the usual benefit for most of them, with the added benefit from Destroyers and BCs that you get a couple of skill levels for free when the switch-over happens.

The basic rule from day 1 was always GÇ£if you could fly it before, you can fly it afterGÇ¥, which quite naturally translates into being given the same Racial BC (and Destroyer) levels as you current have in the one BC (and Destroyer) skill. This has been confirmed over and over and over again ever since. There simply is no ambiguity whatsoever at this point.

What's vague about it, and how do you make it six skills? It's only two that will change: Destroyers and BCs.

Howdy Tippia

This "Basic Rule from day 1" is interesting. Do you have a link to where someone stated an advantage such as "if you could fly it before, you can fly it after"? Whom said that and where?

All documents considered would indicate that there will be 8 new skill books, 4X Racial Destroyers, 4X Racial Battlecruisers.

By 6 skills I meant Destroyers, Battlecruisers and 4x Racial Frigates in the loosely documented scramble.

I'm guessing that if you have L5 Battlecruisers trained to L5 that you will automatically be given L1 to the new 4 skills; Amarr Battlecruiser, Caldari Battlecruiser, Gallente Battlecruiser and Minmatar Battlecuriser. So yeah you can fly it, with a whole new 24-32 day training period, for hopefully (4) new ships.

Same with the 4 new Destroyers released today.

If you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change. You will be automatically given the new racial BC and Destroyer skills at your current BC/Destroyer skill level if you also have the corresponding racial Cruiser/Frigate skill to 3.

This "Basic Rule from day 1" is interesting. Do you have a link to where someone stated an advantage such as "if you could fly it before, you can fly it after"? Whom said that and where?

All documents considered would indicate that there will be 8 new skill books, 4X Racial Destroyers, 4X Racial Battlecruisers.

By 6 skills I meant Destroyers, Battlecruisers and 4x Racial Frigates in the loosely documented scramble.

I'm guessing that if you have L5 Battlecruisers trained to L5 that you will automatically be given L1 to the new 4 skills; Amarr Battlecruiser, Caldari Battlecruiser, Gallente Battlecruiser and Minmatar Battlecuriser.

[racial] Cruiser III + Battlecruisers [n] GåÆ [racial] Battlecruiser [n]
[racial] Frigate III + Destroyers [n] GåÆ [racial] Destroyer [n]

Training the Cruiser or Frigate skills higher than III makes absolutely no difference whatsoever since those skills are not being adjusted GÇö they are just used to determine whether you can fly any particular dessy or BC right now.

I think the point of concern is will there be a specific date given or notice regarding the change due to a scenario such as :
New player,
Gets frig 4 for 1 race, gets cruiser (say to 4 for that race) then decides to train BC.
If that new player is sitting there training BC V and is like 1 day away then bam skill change hits. they've lost 20ish days of training.
Sure they were able to fly a BC at skill 4 for the race they selected, and they still can, but now they are set back the entire skill train of V, vs being at V the next day. That could be pretty discouraging to a player only a month or few old.

Thus bypassing over 120 days of training and picking up 7-14 million SP?

Correct?

Correct

So has anyone seen anything indicating what will happen if you train higher than these skills noted? Such as, well, what if you train all of them up to L5. Will there be skillpoints refunded as when they eliminated Learning skills?

Hello everyone,

Lately there have been a lot of posts on the forum pertaining to the proposed splitting of the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skills into racial variants as discussed in this dev blog from CCP Ytterbium.

In an effort to clear up some confusion about this and keep numerous duplicate threads from being posted about it, here is some generic information about it:

• If you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change. You will be automatically given the new racial BC and Destroyer skills at your current BC/Destroyer skill level if you also have the corresponding racial Cruiser/Frigate skill to 3.
• There is no current release date for this change. The change will not be made until next year. It is not a part of the Retribution patch occurring on December 4th. Even so, we recommend you begin skill training for the skills now if you want to 100% ensure that you will get all of the skills when this change goes live.
• Just to reiterate, this change is not a part of the Retribution patch on December 4th. Just making sure everyone heard that.
• If you wish to discuss this proposed change, please do so on the Features & Ideas Discussion forum. You can find that forum here.

If you trained Destroyers and Battlecruisers to V you get 6.144.000 SP free.

Don-¦t forget to update your clone!

We are not going to get any "free SP".

More SP isn't better if we don't get any new abilities at same time. Since we don't gain any new skills to fly other ship we couldn't currently fly. Only thing we get from this is more expensive clones. I wouldn't call that that an advantage.

We are not going to get any "free SP".

More SP isn't better if we don't get any new abilities at same time. Since we don't gain any new skills to fly other ship we couldn't currently fly. Only thing we get from this is more expensive clones. I wouldn't call that that an advantage.

Perhaps not "free" in relation to the current state, agreed, but free compared to someone who will have to train an additional 3 Battlecruisers and Destroyer skills each...

I think the point of concern is will there be a specific date given or notice regarding the change due to a scenario such as :


New player,

Gets frig 4 for 1 race, gets cruiser (say to 4 for that race) then decides to train BC.

If that new player is sitting there training BC V and is like 1 day away then bam skill change hits. they've lost 20ish days of training.

Sure they were able to fly a BC at skill 4 for the race they selected, and they still can, but now they are set back the entire skill train of V, vs being at V the next day. That could be pretty discouraging to a player only a month or few old.


/disclaimer

of course I'm an alt

They said somewhere that they'll be giving full skills only. If you start training BC5 now, you'll still make it, the change is unlikely to happen in early january.

Only rational integers need apply

Train them now.

Racial Frigs 4 -> Racial Cruisers 3 -> Destroyers 5 -> BC 5

There is no reason NOT to train these skill at this point. That is unless you are a masochist and want to have to train every racial destroyer and BC to 5 after the change.

Hell, I even switched my full cha alt toon from leadership skills to get this done before the change.

Oh good God, thank you for pointing this out. After reading this thread I am exhausted. The very simple question that was asked on December third (and has yet to be answered) was: Has a date been announced because I want to know if I have time to squeeze in Battlecruiser 5.

This is what I want to know too. If I have Battlecruisers 5 at 97% (and all other requirements) will I receive 4 faction battlecruiser skills at 97% to level 5 OR will I receive 4 faction battlecruiser skills at a flat level 4?
Does anyone have an answer to that question?

20+ days is a lot of training to lose for anyone new player or otherwise.
Yes they have given lots of notice, and we all agree that we should do it, but without an actual date and how this is going to be handled it really affects whether its worth bothering to even try.

Here is the reason NOT to train it. Are you ready? This is what only a couple people on this thread are understanding:
If I am going to spend 20 days training a skill and I don't make the deadline and I lose those skill points then I would rather not train battlecruiser to 5 and use those 20 days of skillpoints on something that will not be taken away from me.

That's why people are freaking out about wanting to know when the date of the change is. It's a lot of if's, but thats the point. This is not being answered by the Devs and so people do not know how to proceed in the most efficient way possible.

Here is the reason NOT to train it. Are you ready? This is what only a couple people on this thread are understanding:
If I am going to spend 20 days training a skill and I don't make the deadline and I lose those skill points then I would rather not train battlecruiser to 5 and use those 20 days of skillpoints on something that will not be taken away from me.

That's why people are freaking out about wanting to know when the date of the change is. It's a lot of if's, but thats the point. This is not being answered by the Devs and so people do not know how to proceed in the most efficient way possible.

My experience with CCP in the past tells me, that they take skillpoint issues very seriously. So in my opinion it is unlikely, that they would let you "lose" those skillpoints.

The likely thing to happen is, that you are just refunded those skillpoints you trained and that didn't lead in time to another level of the skill.

Is proper testing possible in 20 days or less?
Most likely not.

As a player who just joined with 1.5mil SP to spend as I like, and seeing the BC changes... Yay for me!

I've literally never heard anyone ever complain about having BC V trained. Good choice, sir!

(Don't forget the Cruiser skills)

As in last gazzillion of threads with the same question: no, there is no timeframe nor definitive info on when and exactly how. Except of vague sentence from devblog hinting it would be a good idea to train those skills "soon".