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Devon Sidious
Green Elemental
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Posted - 2012.12.04 01:44:00 -
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Back in the day (and perhaps now), if you had a bounty, all you did was change your ship and have a friend kill the ship. Then they share the bounty (sometimes).
Under the new system, will this still happen? |
Mikeh24
Capital Dynamics
SQUEE.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 01:47:00 -
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2/10 |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:10:00 -
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I concur with the short guy
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:14:00 -
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me too 
Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:22:00 -
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The bounty pay is now a percentage based off of what you are flying at the time. From my understanding, this makes it so that at best you come out even if you try to exploit the system.
Oh wait did I provide an intelligent answer that was helpful instead of jerking myself off in front of everyone? D: |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:58:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:The bounty pay is now a percentage based off of what you are flying at the time. From my understanding, this makes it so that at best you come out even if you try to exploit the system.
Oh wait did I provide an intelligent answer that was helpful instead of jerking myself off in front of everyone? D:
Yes and I want my monies back 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:03:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Seraph IX Basarab wrote:The bounty pay is now a percentage based off of what you are flying at the time. From my understanding, this makes it so that at best you come out even if you try to exploit the system.
Oh wait did I provide an intelligent answer that was helpful instead of jerking myself off in front of everyone? D: Yes and I want my monies back
Me too
Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted. |
Lascivit Mercator
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:21:00 -
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so if someone put a 1b isk bounty on you, could you lose unfit insured battleships and come out ahead?
I like to multiply with sheep |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:31:00 -
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the 300 held strong at the impasse did they not ?
Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:53:00 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:the 300 held strong at the impasse did they not ?
Thermopylae pass... that is the most romantasized battle ever.
It's true there were 300 Spartans... but there were also about 50,000 greeks 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
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Posted - 2012.12.04 04:21:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:the 300 held strong at the impasse did they not ? Thermopylae pass... that is the most romantasized battle ever. It's true there were 300 Spartans... but there were also about 50,000 greeks
i do also have memories that linger of past glories and battles fought in a bye gone era, My re-incarnation as a gamer in the modern era is a far cry from the days i raped, pillaged and ransacked as a barbarian 
Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
3935
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Posted - 2012.12.04 04:25:00 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:the 300 held strong at the impasse did they not ? Thermopylae pass... that is the most romantasized battle ever. It's true there were 300 Spartans... but there were also about 50,000 greeks i do also have memories that linger of past glories and battles fought in a bye gone era, My re-incarnation as a gamer in the modern era is a far cry from the days i raped, pillaged and ransacked as a barbarian
Maybe we met on some ancient battlefield then had a marathon love making session that lasted a fortnight
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
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Posted - 2012.12.04 04:31:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:the 300 held strong at the impasse did they not ? Thermopylae pass... that is the most romantasized battle ever. It's true there were 300 Spartans... but there were also about 50,000 greeks i do also have memories that linger of past glories and battles fought in a bye gone era, My re-incarnation as a gamer in the modern era is a far cry from the days i raped, pillaged and ransacked as a barbarian Maybe we met on some ancient battlefield then had a marathon love making session that lasted a fortnight
alas yes, unless ancient scriptures might be un-earthed that document witness accounts, one can only imagine the magnitude and the duration of the mating ritual that took place  
Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2012.12.04 05:09:00 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:the 300 held strong at the impasse did they not ? Thermopylae pass... that is the most romantasized battle ever. It's true there were 300 Spartans... but there were also about 50,000 greeks i do also have memories that linger of past glories and battles fought in a bye gone era, My re-incarnation as a gamer in the modern era is a far cry from the days i raped, pillaged and ransacked as a barbarian Maybe we met on some ancient battlefield then had a marathon love making session that lasted a fortnight ancient scriptures un-earthed do indeed document witness accounts of the magnitude and the duration of these mating rituals that took place
The actual witnesses were silenced and were delicious though
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
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Posted - 2012.12.04 05:18:00 -
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reflecting back on a past life - when the toga itches and the sandles rub when on the march, then when in the middle of the desert i have no qualms negating asking what meat was in the stew as long as it is hot, cooked and fills the belly
Fools and their Interstellar Kredits are Soon Parted. |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
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Posted - 2012.12.04 08:05:00 -
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Devon Sidious wrote:Back in the day (and perhaps now), if you had a bounty, all you did was change your ship and have a friend kill the ship. Then they share the bounty (sometimes).
Under the new system, will this still happen?
New bounty system will pay only 20% of total ship (POD) lost value from Bounty pool. So if you get killed in 100m ISK worth ship, killer will be paid 20m ISK from your Bounty pool, that means killing yourself with alt to claim bounties is no longer profitable.
However, CCP did not give any info how much % of bounty will be payed when you are killed by fleet. I see 2 options here:
a) 20% of ship (POD) value from Bounty pool is payed to the fleet and its split equally to them ( Example 4 man fleet, every member is
payed 5% only in that case )
b) 20% of ship (POD) value from Bounty pool is payed to every member of the fleet ( Each member will get 20% ) - this option is
exploitable ( 5 alts will claim 100% ship loss value, 6 alts will claim 120% ship value ). But i dont think CCP is so stupid to be
hornest.
All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:48:00 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:the 300 held strong at the impasse did they not ?
Nope. They delayed the Persians just a few days in a campaign which last almost two years, that's all.
Repent what's past; avoid what is to come.
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Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:17:00 -
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Lascivit Mercator wrote:so if someone put a 1b isk bounty on you, could you lose unfit insured battleships and come out ahead?
Nope, only 20% is paid out, so you would be losing isk each time. To get the 1 bil back you would need to lose 5 bil worth of bs.
You know what patch notes and dev blogs are right?
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Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:23:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:the 300 held strong at the impasse did they not ? Thermopylae pass... that is the most romantasized battle ever. It's true there were 300 Spartans... but there were also about 50,000 greeks
Interested as to where you get that figure, never seen an estimate over 12k. Still the defeat at thermopylaehas rather obscured the far more important victories at marathon, platea and slamis, kinda weird. Everyone loves a loser i guess.
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Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:09:00 -
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Devon Sidious wrote:Back in the day (and perhaps now), if you had a bounty, all you did was change your ship and have a friend kill the ship. Then they share the bounty (sometimes).
Back in the day (actually a few hours ago) only pods paid out the bounty  |
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:25:00 -
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Lascivit Mercator wrote:so if someone put a 1b isk bounty on you, could you lose unfit insured battleships and come out ahead?
Uninsured hulls get 40% overage, but that is 40% of the base value of minerals, which is below market value. The bounty pay out is based on 20% of the value lost. So you'll only get back at most 60% if you don't get insurance and ignoring market value.
Now if you pay for insurance and get platinum, you get 100% coverage of the base mineral value, but you have to pay a 30% premium, so you only get back 70%, plus 20% is only 90%. Of course your ship probably costs much more on the market than just CCP's assigned fixed mineral values, so you'll be losing out even more, much more.
Anything short of reducing market minerals prices below the fixed rate set by CCP, you will always be losing out of money. BTW, CCP's base value for trit is 2isk/unit, just to give you an idea how low these base values are. |
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.04 18:26:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:Devon Sidious wrote:Back in the day (and perhaps now), if you had a bounty, all you did was change your ship and have a friend kill the ship. Then they share the bounty (sometimes).
Under the new system, will this still happen? New bounty system will pay only 20% of total ship (POD) lost value from Bounty pool. So if you get killed in 100m ISK worth ship, killer will be paid 20m ISK from your Bounty pool, that means killing yourself with alt to claim bounties is no longer profitable. However, CCP did not give any info how much % of bounty will be payed when you are killed by fleet. I see 2 options here: a) 20% of ship (POD) value from Bounty pool is payed to the fleet and its split equally to them ( Example 4 man fleet, every member is payed 5% only in that case ) b) 20% of ship (POD) value from Bounty pool is payed to every member of the fleet ( Each member will get 20% ) - this option is exploitable ( 5 alts will claim 100% ship loss value, 6 alts will claim 120% ship value ). But i dont think CCP is so stupid to be hornest.
The pay out is split evenly among the fleet.
In non-fleet blog situations, the pay out goes to the last ship to hit the target
In the case CONCORD is involved, the ship that has caused the most damage gets the pay out.
No matter what, the pay out is always the same, based on the value lost. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.12.04 19:57:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:The bounty pay is now a percentage based off of what you are flying at the time. From my understanding, this makes it so that at best you come out even if you try to exploit the system.
Oh wait did I provide an intelligent answer that was helpful instead of jerking myself off in front of everyone? D:
You won't win at EvE like that. If you win, the gov will come to your house and make you a paid torturer. |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
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Posted - 2012.12.04 22:51:00 -
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Barakach wrote:
The pay out is split evenly among the fleet.
In non-fleet blog situations, the pay out goes to the last ship to hit the target
In the case CONCORD is involved, the ship that has caused the most damage gets the pay out.
No matter what, the pay out is always the same, based on the value lost.
Yeah evenly but did every fleet member recieve 20% or just that 20% is spiltted evenly?
Thats a big diffrence because if every member of the fleet recieve 20% you will need only 6 alts to actually make a profit from bounty someone put on you.
You go to save spot. You shoot yourself with alt1, logoff, log alt2 shoot, logoff and so on 6th alt kills you, bounty claimed. Profit made.
I hope im wrong and bounty system is no exploitable now.
All my posts are made shortly after Marihuana-áconsumption. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:52:00 -
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Get corp level bounty. Be in the same corp. Aggress each other. Gank things. Get bounty when concord kills you.
Subsidized ganking is back. Now it's just bounties instead of insurance. |
Seraph IX Basarab
Vengance Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.05 20:14:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:the 300 held strong at the impasse did they not ? Thermopylae pass... that is the most romantasized battle ever. It's true there were 300 Spartans... but there were also about 50,000 greeks
No there weren't. The Theben contingent was much smaller than that. |
Smodab Ongalot
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:15:00 -
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Barakach wrote:
Uninsured hulls get 40% overage, but that is 40% of the base value of minerals, which is below market value. The bounty pay out is based on 20% of the value lost. So you'll only get back at most 60% if you don't get insurance and ignoring market value.
Now if you pay for insurance and get platinum, you get 100% coverage of the base mineral value, but you have to pay a 30% premium, so you only get back 70%, plus 20% is only 90%. Of course your ship probably costs much more on the market than just CCP's assigned fixed mineral values, so you'll be losing out even more, much more.
Anything short of reducing market minerals prices below the fixed rate set by CCP, you will always be losing out of money. BTW, CCP's base value for trit is 2isk/unit, just to give you an idea how low these base values are.
Actually, as I understand it now, the value for insurance is based off the same averaging system as the ship value calculations. The insurance value is based upon some regional average value calculated at the time and place you purchased the insurance.
The big difference between loss value and insurance value is that insurance only covers the base hull, while bounty payout is 20% of ship + mods + cargo.
And you can't insure pods.
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Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:44:00 -
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Seraph IX Basarab wrote:The bounty pay is now a percentage based off of what you are flying at the time. From my understanding, this makes it so that at best you come out even if you try to exploit the system.
Oh wait did I provide an intelligent answer that was helpful instead of jerking myself off in front of everyone? D:
Unless you're a corp thief who stole lots of blingy ships and had a bounty placed on them for that thievery. Then you can grab a pal and just destroy all the stuff you stole. You don't even need to get podded. Probably make out better selling them on the market, but less expolosions.
Neut the bastards |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
277
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:11:00 -
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Boom Boom Longtime wrote:ancient scriptures un-earthed do indeed document witness accounts of the magnitude and the duration of these mating rituals that took place
Get a room, ya pervs!!!!
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Mikeh24
Knights of the Posing Meat
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Posted - 2012.12.28 13:58:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I concur with the short guy
Better late then never,
As once explained to Boom while I was getting my pilot licence in Duripant VII Federal Navy Academy the camera was in the process of falling while taking my photograph. The tripod setup used by said photographer was not optimal resulting in major straining of the tripod legs and when the photographer sneezed and knocked out one of the legs. As the camera was falling backwards and to my right I attempted to grab it though during those fateful seconds the camera captured an image and it was instantly, forever, my photo ID. |
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