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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.05.05 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Seto Mazzarotto on 05/05/2005 14:22:55
Just a thought I had. Why limit the changes to EW to Target Jamming? My idea is to make warp scrambling a chance-based system as well. Like, have it start at a 100% chance with no Warp Cores, to a smallish chance of escape with a single one... and dwindling to a small, but still relatively feasible chance with the detested full rack of eight on an Armageddon.
Toss in a stacking penalty as well, of course. 
Of course scramblers would have to become individual chances at disrupting navigation systems as well, but incorporate strength skills to boost that chance and voila. Easy fix to the all-or-nothing nonsense that plagues combat these days with ganksquads giving themselves near-immunity with a full rack of stabs.
Discuss. 
EDIT: I clearly don't know my Amarr battleships. 
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SirSpectre
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Posted - 2005.05.05 12:48:00 -
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Ummmm...This was supposed to be implemented with the EW changes. They had it working on sisi, kind of fun, kind of not. They just put it off for a few patches.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.05.05 12:50:00 -
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 Originally by: SirSpectre
Ummmm...This was supposed to be implemented with the EW changes. They had it working on sisi, kind of fun, kind of not. They just put it off for a few patches.
Oh! Really?
Well, I knew it was a good idea.
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Attiladehun
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Posted - 2005.05.05 13:09:00 -
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it's not a good idea, it's a good idea for the normal battles little engagments etc..
But here is the worst part, you will get lots of pirates comming to whine about this and i must admit they are right. If you have chance based scrambling the ransom part of a pirate will stop to an end (although it seems that it is dieing a bit). I don't think scrambling should be chance based, i don't see the use for it, it will only give other people more chance to warp out instead of being scrambled.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.05.05 13:18:00 -
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scrambling should remain as is... except stabs should disable weapons.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.05.05 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Attiladehun
it's not a good idea, it's a good idea for the normal battles little engagments etc..
But here is the worst part, you will get lots of pirates comming to whine about this and i must admit they are right. If you have chance based scrambling the ransom part of a pirate will stop to an end (although it seems that it is dieing a bit). I don't think scrambling should be chance based, i don't see the use for it, it will only give other people more chance to warp out instead of being scrambled.
I think the only whining that we'd see is if a single tackler stops a stabbed-out Armageddon from fleeing. I think it'd be harder to scramble in some ways, but easier in others. Remember that no stabs = 100% chance to tackle, as it should be. And this'll make life easier than the guys who've currently got to completely sacrifice their med slots for a dedicated catcher setup.
Besides, slap scrambler bonuses on interceptors and watch the fun.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.05.05 14:08:00 -
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How do you fit 8 on an Apoc?
~Sobe
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.05.05 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sobeseki Pawi
How do you fit 8 on an Apoc?
With duct tape and friends in Iceland. 
Silly me.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.05.05 15:32:00 -
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Perhaps you meant the Armageddon.
~Sobe
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Bluestealth
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Posted - 2005.05.05 15:35:00 -
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Or Stabs out a Navy Apoc 
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Hellspawn666
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Posted - 2005.05.05 16:22:00 -
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i hate the idea it will make wcs useless in any combat situation i use a 1 or 2 with a combat setup occasionally if im planning to combat sumwhere wher eim hideiously outnumbered theres no point if its given down to eve chance becuase my luck sucks... atm they are balanced the cpu usage means no tank so it is possible to kill a ship with 7 or 8 on before they can warp.
This also makes tackling rather crappy ive go thim tackled no wait i dont y mess with a system that already works? 8wcs already dont mean ure gonna make it even with instants a stilleto alone can get 6 points on u.
This is the worst thing they could do to pvp their already making it impossible for anyone but gank fleets y making it any harder for the little guys.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.05.05 20:36:00 -
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sure... just never seen 5x WCS raven, did you? With FOFs ... kill tacklers and warp b4 big guys even lock.
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Tisiph0ne
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Posted - 2005.05.05 20:53:00 -
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Alternatives I've seen:
1)Extend warp disruptor range massively ~100km; nerf all turret range dramatically; increase speed on a bunch of stuff; change gates warp in points. = Fun for the whole family.
2)Incorporate a warp core or propulsion HP. A weapon or missile which knocks this down incapacitates the vessel in this respect, giving smaller ships some potential at harassing larger vessels. (Note the current propulsion stregth etc. changes and you'll see what I mean.) Small ships can't use much high cap EW and count for pretty much nothing in combat. Over time, a small vessel should have the ability to have some effect on a larger one. (Maybe some weaker EW modules should be issued just for frigates along with to hit chances.)
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.05.05 21:38:00 -
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WCS should be a hi/mid slot module. That would be fun.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.05.05 23:52:00 -
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id love to see em becoming highslots
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Delacho
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Posted - 2005.05.06 08:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists
id love to see em becoming highslots
sure, if warp scramblers become high slots as well, and dramaticly increase in PG needs
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