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Silentbrick
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Posted - 2005.05.06 00:51:00 -
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Typically, many ore thieves will have negative security ratings. So there is a 2 part solution that makes thieving have the risk that it should.
1. Allow miners to fire on anyone taking anything flagged to be their property.
2. If someone's ship and/or pod is destroyed while they have a negative security rating in that Empire, then they receive no insurance and their clone gets flushed. Thief essentially loses their PC and effectively dies.
This would put risk in the act of thieving and give miner's a chance to defend their property without removing what the a**hat grief'ers...I mean Ore Thieves just can't live without.
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mirel yirrin
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Posted - 2005.05.06 01:02:00 -
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Goddam you whiners, Ore theiving is a part of game mechanics, no exploit.
now stop whining and live with it, mine in a dead end system, use bms and go back and forth to station.
Thats how it was ment to be.
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Tisiph0ne
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Posted - 2005.05.06 01:02:00 -
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You griefer. I want that 30 seconds of my life back.
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.06 01:08:00 -
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Jeez, go away
Its so easy to avoid but you are too lazy and stupid to move.
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Silentbrick
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Posted - 2005.05.06 01:09:00 -
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Flames? Is that the best you have to offer? Let me raise a few points for you.
1. I don't jetcan mine.
2. I fill my cargo hold, then head off to sell my ore at the station.
3. Nobody's managed to steal anything from me because I don't leave my things where people can get it.
4. Nothing fun should be without risk.
5. The people that I see whining the most are the ore /thieves/ not the miners.
So, in response, go ahead and continue to bleat like angry sheep, your pitiful cries mean nothing to me.
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.06 01:10:00 -
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Its u bleating in the first post.
If u dont care then dont post
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Skey
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Posted - 2005.05.06 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Skey on 06/05/2005 01:10:42
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Productioner
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Posted - 2005.05.06 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: Productioner on 06/05/2005 01:11:34
10mill isk to who ever shots a know whinner..
and bring me the body.
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Mr Crowley
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Posted - 2005.05.06 01:43:00 -
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Welcome to crime and punishment.
I used to have a nice sig but it keeps getting removed by somone with no explanation. Typical isnt it. |
Silentbrick
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Posted - 2005.05.06 01:48:00 -
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I've rather enjoyed it so far. Present an idea and instead of getting discussion, you get flames, threats and people wanting you to quit. Either it's a good idea and they're scared of it or all they know how to do is bluster. This is fun.
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Ashley Sky
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Posted - 2005.05.06 02:03:00 -
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I have a good one. See, to prevent "ore theft" I suggest that mining can only be done in 0.0 and no asteroids appear in "empire space".
Instead there will courier missions where you deliver cute fluffy stuffed bears to your agents in return for ships and isk.
Other players can be "builders" that prepare the fluffy bears by dragging them from the station to "cargo cubes" to prepare them for hauling and delivery.
If you prepare 100,000,000,000 fluffy bears then you get your own station on planet "fluffy cloud". Where you can farm cute and cuddly clouds, the raw materials that go into every stuffed bear. This will be the coolest sci-fi game ever!
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Berneh
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Posted - 2005.05.06 02:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Silentbrick
Flames? Is that the best you have to offer? Let me raise a few points for you.
4. Nothing fun should be without risk.
since when has mining been fun ? its crap and you deserve what you get 
take it on the chin and move on, i wish miners that got their stuff robbed would not keep cluttering up the forums with these *** ass whines
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Bentguru
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Posted - 2005.05.06 02:48:00 -
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god so much whining..
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MooKids
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Posted - 2005.05.06 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Silentbrick
I've rather enjoyed it so far. Present an idea and instead of getting discussion, you get flames, threats and people wanting you to quit. Either it's a good idea and they're scared of it or all they know how to do is bluster. This is fun.
It is more like present an idea which has been presented 239843209709845 times, usually 4 times a day, all on the same page, get blasted by people who are really tired of seeing it as it won't happen.
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w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.05.06 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Silentbrick
Flames? Is that the best you have to offer? Let me raise a few points for you.
1. I don't jetcan mine.
2. I fill my cargo hold, then head off to sell my ore at the station.
3. Nobody's managed to steal anything from me because I don't leave my things where people can get it.
4. Nothing fun should be without risk.
5. The people that I see whining the most are the ore /thieves/ not the miners.
So, in response, go ahead and continue to bleat like angry sheep, your pitiful cries mean nothing to me.
So you've already found a solution, right??
So then any changes in game mechanics is pointless.
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Gerblitz
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Posted - 2005.05.06 08:51:00 -
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I agree theiving is part of the game but also should be punished by concord if done in safe space like 1.0 (i know it puts newer players off playing Eve.)
As an example if anyone was bringing dodgy gear into the system concord would fine u and ud take a security status hit, maybe the same should be for ore thiefs, they are stealing which is against the law isnt it? 
I think it would add more interest to the game if u could shoot them 
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Sennju Zensu
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Posted - 2005.05.06 09:03:00 -
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better way:
have a friend in indus close to jettison cargo
mine like all the days, when a man com in belt just put all ore in the indus .... wallaaa nothing in jettison to steal 
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.05.06 09:05:00 -
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Fix orestealing, mine in deep space where no rules apply !
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.06 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
Fix orestealing, mine in deep space where no rules apply !
Wow genius, nice tip for noobs
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lordmix
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Posted - 2005.05.06 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Silentbrick
Typically, many ore thieves will have negative security ratings. So there is a 2 part solution that makes thieving have the risk that it should.
1. Allow miners to fire on anyone taking anything flagged to be their property.
2. If someone's ship and/or pod is destroyed while they have a negative security rating in that Empire, then they receive no insurance and their clone gets flushed. Thief essentially loses their PC and effectively dies.
This would put risk in the act of thieving and give miner's a chance to defend their property without removing what the a**hat grief'ers...I mean Ore Thieves just can't live without.
How about you stop whining OMG hax my ore,  dude just move out of noob system none will take your ore then by3
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.05.06 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Silentbrick
2. If someone's ship and/or pod is destroyed while they have a negative security rating in that Empire, then they receive no insurance and their clone gets flushed. Thief essentially loses their PC and effectively dies.
OMG I'M BEING GRIEFED! PEITION EXPLOIT OMGWTFBBQ!
Seriously though, character permadeath? People always moan 'X is going to make X group quit EVE' but when someone with a -4.9 to -0.1 sec status looses a ship and a pod in empire during a war or whatever and looses their character they've spent 2 years or so on they will quit.
Stupidest idea evar.
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Buster Hymen
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Posted - 2005.05.06 15:47:00 -
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Ore "thieves" don't always have a negative security status.
In my spare time, I do nothing but run agent missions for the Caldari Navy - and they let me blow up a lot of stuff that will eventually increase my security rating.
Current rating is 0.0 and going nowhere fast. And I "secure" unsecured jet cans with mission loot and ore like no tomorrow.
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Pondor Stibbons
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Posted - 2005.05.06 17:43:00 -
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My 2iskies worth,
Ore thievery is part and parcel of this game... the risk of mining so to speak (well one of em)... just like running missions and getting ganked.... or pvp and getting ganked......
You wanna mine, then prepare for losses
You wanna blockade run then prepare for losses
You wanna PvP, then prepare for losses
You wanna PvE then prepare for losses
You wanna stay safe, not lose stuff...
STAY IN THE STATION.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.05.06 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Silentbrick
Typically, many ore thieves will have negative security ratings. So there is a 2 part solution that makes thieving have the risk that it should.
1. Allow miners to fire on anyone taking anything flagged to be their property.
2. If someone's ship and/or pod is destroyed while they have a negative security rating in that Empire, then they receive no insurance and their clone gets flushed. Thief essentially loses their PC and effectively dies.
This would put risk in the act of thieving and give miner's a chance to defend their property without removing what the a**hat grief'ers...I mean Ore Thieves just can't live without.
I'm going to post something constructive on this destructive post.
There is a reason these solutions won't work:
1. Anything in a jet can is not deemed to be your player's property. Actually, it means you are discharging it from what is your property. As per the dev official response to Ore Relocation, it is at your own risk because you are throwing things away with the intent to retrieve them later. So, your first flagging request is not applicable.
2. Asking the devs to make it possible to totally annihilate someone else's year or two of training time is asking them to implement griefing as a punishment. Not only is that an unfair balance vs. outright piracy, but it's a bad idea from a business perspective. The ore thieves and pirates make up a huge percentage of the EVE population, and such a step would lead to sunset.
The tools to prevent being thieved are there, and yes they are less efficient, but if you don't use them it's your own fault. You can't reasonably ask that the punishment for murder, vandalism, and extortion all combined only be an SP fine, but the punishment for thievery be death.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.05.06 19:42:00 -
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Mate, you're one of the biggest flamers ever. If someone posts the word 'Pirate' you come in going 'OMG I'M BEING GRIEFED BAN PVP LOL' post with your ******* main, *******.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.05.07 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
Goddam you whiners, Ore theiving is a part of game mechanics, no exploit.
now stop whining and live with it, mine in a dead end system, use bms and go back and forth to station.
Thats how it was ment to be.
dimwitted griefer can't see that ore theft has no risk.
dimwitted griefer cant understand the risk/reward ratio
dimwitted griefer thinks being a criminal should be easy and have no risk...and they call miners carebears...
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.05.07 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: DukDodgerz
Originally by: mirel yirrin
Goddam you whiners, Ore theiving is a part of game mechanics, no exploit.
now stop whining and live with it, mine in a dead end system, use bms and go back and forth to station.
Thats how it was ment to be.
dimwitted griefer can't see that ore theft has no risk.
dimwitted griefer cant understand the risk/reward ratio
dimwitted griefer thinks being a criminal should be easy and have no risk...and they call miners carebears...
Dimwitted carebear refuses to war dec teh ore thief, so the lack of risk is the carebear's fault
Dimwitted carebear goes on about risk/reward but won't leave high-sec
Dimwitted carebear has provided an environment where piracy has no risk, because you can do it in high sec with a suicide frigate and all the loot from barges up there will more than cover the lost ship.
"Griefing" 4tw. Didn't you know that in EVE, being called a Griefer is a compliment?
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.05.07 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Corvus Dove
"Griefing" 4tw. Didn't you know that in EVE, being called a Griefer is a compliment?
Werd.
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2005.05.07 22:50:00 -
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Thread has gone off topic and lacks constructive input.
Flaming, trolling and personal insults will not be tolerated.
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