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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:37:00 -
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BinaryData wrote:
Regardless if you can constantly hit something at 70km or farther, you're still hitting a target, and dealing damage, while missiles just "fizzle" out.
r.
Full damage out to max range, then fizzle out.
Compared to:
Full damage out to optimal range, then reduced or no damage out to first falloff, then greatly reduced damage or no damage out to second falloff (most weapons will be hitting normal missile range around here) then absurdly reduced damage or most likely no damage out to third falloff, then fizzle out.
Your arguments don't work, sorry. No one who actually flies turret ships competently considers poking distance to mean anything. |
Dark Long
solo and loveing it
1
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:52:00 -
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now you have some cheese with your wine.
you based that of fury it short range heavy missles is still 66k now to etf fit with short range rail ammo or pro. and tell me they reach that far.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Tribal Band
237
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Posted - 2012.12.05 05:13:00 -
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I can't imagine a 20% nerf to Tengu range and dps really makes a player have to stop and think before they decide if the Tengu is the solopwnmobile they want to fly. It'll need a lot more nerf before people stop abusing its insane price vs. utility ratio.
-á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters
i'm strangely comfortable with it"
-Mittens |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
351
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Posted - 2012.12.05 05:55:00 -
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use javelin HAMs and stop bitching
HMs were way overpowered, also, your in game character's skills suck, a tengu still gets 450 dps with heavy missiles, they only had a 10% damage nerf, so stfu
also, why the hell are you using kaikka's modules, they are worse than faction ballistic controls |
Slavac Stark
Black Rifle Conglomerate
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:36:00 -
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I'm a fairly low skilled drake pilot.
Using HML's, my range went from 58 to 43 and my damage took a pretty damn big hit.
I used to hit battleship targets for 1400, now I'm doing good to hit a max of 800.
All in all it's going to make me have to train into a different ship/weapon type and is pretty frustrating for a new pilot who focused almost entirely on missiles for running PVE. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:50:00 -
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Hitting cruisers I went from 1000-1200 to anywhere from 550 to 1100. I was expecting the lower damage but the variation seems quite large. Any possible explanation? |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
169
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:My heart bleeds for the people angry over not getting battleship range and firepower from a cruiser.
Cruisers Sell for about 8-10m ..
Battleships sell for about 150-175m ..
T3 Hulls sell for 450m-750m ..
Why is it suddenly unreasonable to expect performance that scales with cost ? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
2975
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:36:00 -
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Xpaulusx wrote:Lets face it, Between the HM & ECM nerf, Caldari got curb stomped with this patch, im still watching Falcon prices tank in jita.
Aw boo hoo, overpowered mechanics are not as effective.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:37:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:show me a legion/loki fit that can put out more DPS at 70km than a tengu and I'll unsub all my accounts and give you all my stuff.
PS: your tengu fit is HORRIBLE.
Pretty much this.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1838
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:43:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:baltec1 wrote:My heart bleeds for the people angry over not getting battleship range and firepower from a cruiser. Cruisers Sell for about 8-10m .. Battleships sell for about 150-175m .. T3 Hulls sell for 450m-750m .. Why is it suddenly unreasonable to expect performance that scales with cost ?
Mmm, tell me more about titans.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
170
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:47:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:baltec1 wrote:My heart bleeds for the people angry over not getting battleship range and firepower from a cruiser. Cruisers Sell for about 8-10m .. Battleships sell for about 150-175m .. T3 Hulls sell for 450m-750m .. Why is it suddenly unreasonable to expect performance that scales with cost ? Mmm, tell me more about titans.
sure, i'll just buy 10 in jita .......
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forestwho
Foonfleet Investment Banking
32
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:46:00 -
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Well you know... goons have trouble fighting againt tengu fleets so they get nerfed into oblivian... kinda what happend with tech mions.. ow wait... |
Karrl Tian
Yarrbusters
45
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:07:00 -
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forestwho wrote:Well you know... goons have trouble fighting againt tengu fleets so they get nerfed into oblivian... kinda what happend with tech mions.. ow wait...
Got 3 pages before the EVE Godwin Law came into play. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1838
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:12:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:forestwho wrote:Well you know... goons have trouble fighting againt tengu fleets so they get nerfed into oblivian... kinda what happend with tech mions.. ow wait... Got 3 pages before the EVE Godwin Law came into play.
Heh heh. Thanks.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
331
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:16:00 -
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It was a PvE nerf.
I said it before, I will say it again. It was done to balance Dust combat mechanics, based on Line of Sight. We got rolled. |
Drew Solaert
Wildcard Inc.
221
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:36:00 -
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You're forgetting at the extreme ends of those Legion and Loki ranges, not only are you doing **** all damage from the long range ammo, you get the added impact of doing **** all damage because of falloff. (Double the **** all damage!) Tengu on the other hand is still doing its max damage at the extreme end of its range.
I lied :o
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Tribal Band
237
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Posted - 2012.12.07 12:59:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:baltec1 wrote:My heart bleeds for the people angry over not getting battleship range and firepower from a cruiser. Cruisers Sell for about 8-10m .. Battleships sell for about 150-175m .. T3 Hulls sell for 450m-750m .. Why is it suddenly unreasonable to expect performance that scales with cost ? DPS isn't everything. You still have your cruiser sig radius and speed, and your battleship hit points.
-á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters
i'm strangely comfortable with it"
-Mittens |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.12.07 13:19:00 -
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forestwho wrote:Well you know... goons have trouble fighting againt tengu fleets so they get nerfed into oblivian... kinda what happend with tech mions.. ow wait...
Yes, that's clearly what happened what with our having an official Tengufleet doctrine and all. Not trying very hard today are we?
HML nerf feels about right, a well-fit HML tengu still does some pretty fearsome long range damage, and is actually viable to use HAMs on now!
(The precision buff to rockets, HAMs and torps is incredible btw, thankyou whoever in CCP finally saw sense with that). |
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