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Gypsio III
Chemikals Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.12.08 11:04:00 -
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bubble trout wrote:Bumrush wrote:Yabba Addict wrote:Can't really see the point of the eccm tbh, if you're mining in an anom they can just scan that instead Wormhole and if you scan out the gas site you will not land on the ships then they run away His fit is designed to gas in wormhole space We have a winner!
Unfortunately, anyone with a brain will warp to the Ladar result at 100 km while dropping BMs. Then it's simple to bounce back and forth until you can warp straight to the Venture's can. You'd be better off dropping an ECCM for an ECM Burst, although that may cause horrific CPU problems. |
Trog LoDite
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.08 19:56:00 -
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Sabony wrote:i'm a loser, i can't use any of those things, i'm a boob i mean noob here's my catastrophe:
This sounds trollish, but what the heck, I'll bite (lurking newbs may find this helpful). Anytime you can't fit a Tech 2 module, switch to the Tech 1 - Meta 4 version. If you can't afford that, then drop down to the Tech 1 - Meta 3 (and so on, etc etc).
Here's a general high-sec fit (no specific modules are named, so get the best ones you can buy/fit)...
[High Slots] Miner Miner (Optional)
[Mid Slots] Survey Scanner Medium Shield Extender (Optional - Small Shield Booster, Afterburner or some other defensive shield module)
[Low Slots] Mining Laser Upgrade (Optional - Damage Control if you can fit it)
2x Light Scout Drones (Hobgoblins probably preferred, but your mileage may vary) |
Meklun Gorebelly
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:27:00 -
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Quote:(Optional - Damage Control if you can fit it)
2x Light Scout Drones (Hobgoblins probably preferred, but your mileage may vary)
Okay, I'm not that new to EVE but just starting with mining.
So could someone answer me, why to use Damage control in the low slot and Hopgoblins as Drones instead of Minig Drones? |
Pashino
Venice Academy
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Posted - 2012.12.09 18:47:00 -
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Meklun Gorebelly wrote:Quote:(Optional - Damage Control if you can fit it)
2x Light Scout Drones (Hobgoblins probably preferred, but your mileage may vary) Okay, I'm not that new to EVE but just starting with mining. So could someone answer me, why to use Damage control in the low slot and Hopgoblins as Drones instead of Minig Drones?
Protection against rats, mainly. Certainly newcomers are better off with a couple of scout drones than Miner I's in the drone bay. |
Meklun Gorebelly
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.09 19:20:00 -
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Okay, Thanks for the Answer.
But when I want to do some Solo-Mining in 0.7 or 0.6, I would use a Fitting like the one from Rezard:
Quote:Mining Laser Upgrade II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Miner II Miner II Prototype Cloaking Device I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Mining Drone II x2
Just with the difference, I would use a Core Probe Launcher for findig the "good rocks".
Search for it, Jump in, mine as fast and much as possible and jump out before someone noticed you. Or Jump out, WHEN someone noticed you. |
Trog LoDite
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:18:00 -
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Meklun Gorebelly wrote: Just with the difference, I would use a Core Probe Launcher for findig the "good rocks".
Search for it, Jump in, mine as fast and much as possible and jump out before someone noticed you. Or Jump out, WHEN someone noticed you.
I've been using the fit I posted to do low-sec mining runs. I've taken it into .2 space to grab Hemorphite (I just love that +2 stab bonus). In that case, I prefer to deal with the rats before I start mining. But, that's just my preference. There's nothing wrong with passive tanking rats if that's your preference.
However, without scanning rigs, I think most people will have trouble scanning down GRAV sites in this ship. With 4's in all scanning skills, I still have to get a probe strength of 70+ to lock on to them (I'll admit that it's possible that the issue is I'm just a crappy scanner though).
EDIT: Wrong site type. Doh! |
Meklun Gorebelly
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:53:00 -
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Trog LoDite wrote:
EDIT: Wrong site type. Doh!
Which part of your Post you mean?
But I wil try both of it and maybe some more to find my personal style. |
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Liquid Lucifer Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.12.11 21:44:00 -
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Griznatch wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:what's the eccm for? Makes you harder to probe out.
No it doesn't, that's what ECM is for, to interfere with the sensor performance of the attacker. ECCM is used by an attacker to burn through the ECM by improving his own sensor performance.
Electronic Counter measure Electronic Counter-Counter measure |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
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Posted - 2012.12.11 21:49:00 -
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Arcaus Rotrau Romali wrote:Griznatch wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:what's the eccm for? Makes you harder to probe out. No it doesn't, that's what ECM is for, to interfere with the sensor performance of the attacker. ECCM is used by an attacker to burn through the ECM by improving his own sensor performance. Electronic Counter measure Electronic Counter-Counter measure
In the real world, yeah.
In EVE, ECCM boosts your sensor strength, which somehow effects someone else's ability to scan you down. The formula is your signature radius divided by your sensor strength. The closer you get to 1, the better. I know, it doesn't really make sense. Neut the bastards |
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Liquid Lucifer Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.12.11 21:58:00 -
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Really? Did not know that, it is definitely counter-intuitive.
Well, umm ... never mind me then, carry on |
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Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
47
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Posted - 2012.12.11 22:17:00 -
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Which article? This one indicates that ECCM modules help you from being scanned down.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Avoiding_scan_probes
To whit, the problem has to do with the formula using YOUR sensor strength to determine how easy/hard it is to scan you down. There really should be some other value used in that calculation. Neut the bastards |
Arcaus Rotrau Romali
Liquid Lucifer Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.12.11 22:34:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ECM
I see these in the entries:
The chance of one module to jam one ship on one cycle is p = ECM strength / ship sensor strength. Target size is calculated as sig radius / sensor strength
From my POV and real world the ECM strength or sig radius is from the target ship and the sensor strength is from the scanning ship. I think whoever wrote the entry on avoiding scan probes was using the values only from the target ship which is illogical. I understand CCP makes mistakes or alters things for game balance but this seems too unlikely. |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
47
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Posted - 2012.12.11 22:42:00 -
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I think the issue is that jamming and scanning are two largely unrelated things, even in the real world.
The ECM/ECCM formula makes sense. The ECCM/scan probes formula doesn't. But they both are accurate with respect to how the game works. You can search threads about off-grid boosters using ECCM modules to make them unscannable.
My guess would be that someone just pulled one of the numbers as a surrogate, since there wasn't another value to use. That or "Sensor Strength" not only reflects how well a ship is able to resist being jammed but also how well a ship can mask its electromagnetic emissions. Neut the bastards |
Silivar Karkun
Electronic Research Team Ing
2
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Posted - 2012.12.11 23:02:00 -
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[Venture- Full Solo Yield]
highs:
Miner II x 2
medium:
Survey Scanner II
Low:
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Rigs:
Small Drone Mining Augmentator II x 2
Small Drone Mining Augmentator I
Drones:
Mining Drone II
made this fit in EFT, and this baby pulls like 940-950 m3 per minute (skills in V), this without fleet boost |
Kyle Bergman
Star Frontiers Alpha Dawn Ignore This.
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Posted - 2012.12.12 07:47:00 -
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So for that first fit for gas harvesting with the cloaking device and ECCM, how do you actually find the ladar site in the first place without a probe launcher? |
Luminocity
The Dark Revenants
11
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:42:00 -
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Gypsio III wrote:Unfortunately, anyone with a brain will warp to the Ladar result at 100 km while dropping BMs. Then it's simple to bounce back and forth until you can warp straight to the Venture's can. You'd be better off dropping an ECCM for an ECM Burst, although that may cause horrific CPU problems. Your argument is no longer valid post-Retribution. Gas now goes into ore hold. Venture has 5k m3 ore hold. No can is required in most cases.
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bubble trout
Sky Fighters Talocan United
21
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Posted - 2012.12.14 00:44:00 -
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Kyle Bergman wrote:So for that first fit for gas harvesting with the cloaking device and ECCM, how do you actually find the ladar site in the first place without a probe launcher?
WIth a cov-ops alt or corpmate, or just go to pos/station and change after you scan it.
Gypsio III wrote:Unfortunately, anyone with a brain will warp to the Ladar result at 100 km while dropping BMs. Then it's simple to bounce back and forth until you can warp straight to the Venture's can. You'd be better off dropping an ECCM for an ECM Burst, although that may cause horrific CPU problems.
You can mine for about 30-40 minutes without having to jet. If you are too lazy to go home or warp to your pos every 30-40 minutes you deserve to be ganked.
If they are really good, without the eccm, they might (I have no clue) pin you with one scan and warp to zero at you. With the eccm I don't think they can hit you with just one scan, and if they scan the site you will have even more time to get out. I do know the basics of combat probe someone down, after narrowing them down with d-scan and putting probes right on them, and while I don't have level 5's or am really great at it, I do know that with level 4's you need to get the combats right on them at .5 au.
Personally I'd rather just make it quite a bit more difficult for them to get the drop on me than to pray that my chance based mod will save me from the larger number of people that will be able to pin me with one scan. |
Maichel Delving
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.31 06:15:00 -
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Verum Peto wrote:Suggestions?
I'm a noob but here is what I'm working with:
High:
- Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
- Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
- Salvager I
Medium:
- Small Clarity Ward Booster I
- 'Dactyl' Type-E Asteroid Analyzer
- 'Hypnos' Multispectral ECM I
Low:
- Overdrive Injector System I
Drones:
- Mining Drone I
- Mining Drone I
I also keep two offensive drones in my cargo hold. If I need the offense I'll dock and swap the drones. Then I can use my salvager to pick up the scraps. |
Maeltstome
Mentally Assured Destruction
314
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Posted - 2013.01.31 09:09:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:[Venture, lol]
Damage Control II
Warp Scrambler II Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Medium Shield Extender II
75mm Gatling Rail II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S 75mm Gatling Rail II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x2
[Venture, Plate]
400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Limited 1MN Afterburner I Warp Scrambler II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script
Small 'Knave' Energy Drain 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S 150mm Light AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma S
Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
Hobgoblin II x2
Low-grade Slave Alpha Low-grade Slave Beta Low-grade Slave Gamma Low-grade Slave Delta Low-grade Slave Epsilon Low-grade Slave Omega
HurrDurrKILLDATVENTURE |
Feer Truelight
95
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Posted - 2013.01.31 17:14:00 -
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Griznatch wrote:Daniel Plain wrote:what's the eccm for? Makes you harder to probe out.
So you probe the ladar site and be faster than scanning a frig with combats?
lololo Killed by Brothel: http://i.imgur.com/WyR1x.png BC skill changes coming this summer: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2442879#post2442879 |
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
438
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Posted - 2013.01.31 20:19:00 -
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bubble trout wrote:Kyle Bergman wrote:So for that first fit for gas harvesting with the cloaking device and ECCM, how do you actually find the ladar site in the first place without a probe launcher? WIth a cov-ops alt or corpmate, or just go to pos/station and change after you scan it. Gypsio III wrote:Unfortunately, anyone with a brain will warp to the Ladar result at 100 km while dropping BMs. Then it's simple to bounce back and forth until you can warp straight to the Venture's can. You'd be better off dropping an ECCM for an ECM Burst, although that may cause horrific CPU problems. You can mine for about 30-40 minutes without having to jet. If you are too lazy to go home or warp to your pos every 30-40 minutes you deserve to be ganked. If they are really good, without the eccm, they might (I have no clue) pin you with one scan and warp to zero at you. With the eccm I don't think they can hit you with just one scan, and if they scan the site you will have even more time to get out. I do know the basics of combat probe someone down, after narrowing them down with d-scan and putting probes right on them, and while I don't have level 5's or am really great at it, I do know that with level 4's you need to get the combats right on them at .5 au. Personally I'd rather just make it quite a bit more difficult for them to get the drop on me than to pray that my chance based mod will save me from the larger number of people that will be able to pin me with one scan. Well the thing is you can scan down the site, then switch to combat probes, place them at minimum range right on the site, and usually get a lock on the ship with first scan. But if they are on the ball they will spot your scan probes before you can warp in, they will be gone when you get there.
Some one said about getting close enough to warp to there can, well Venture has 5000m3 ore hold. it does not need a can. This is not the old Cane or cruiser gas miners with no cargo hold.
A venture is hard to catch, especially when it is flown by a good pilot, I would fit for max yield, and GTFO, forget tank. It is a frigate that will die very fast if they can lock you to even start shooting. No need for a tank when you can be gone before the first shot lands.Your GTFO is your tank. |
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