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Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:21:00 -
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I've always hated that phrase. Anyone who has actually tasted revenge knows that it is savory, not sweet. But I digress!
The name is Quaid. Derek Quaid. I'm sure you literate folks can see that, though. I understand that almost all of you have been rubbed the wrong way at some point in your piloting career. Some of you have felt powerless, but CONCORD's new bounty rules promise to change all of that, right? You may not have great combat skills, but you have deep pockets, and you're more than willing to hang a steak around your enemies' necks and let the dogs chase them to the ends of the cluster. Good for you!
What do you do when your enemy has deeper pockets? Do you really want the bounty war to escalate beyond your means, thus leaving you on the losing end again? I can help. I anonymously place individual bounties on the people that have most seriously aggrieved you.
I cater to a niche market. I only place personal bounties. Personal grudges are so much more intimate, aren't they? I require a significantly higher minimum bounty than CONCORD. I'm interested in the serious vengeance business, not processing transactions for children who are simply playing with a new toy. I do it all for a flat fee (subject to change based on market conditions).
Most importantly, I'm going to be working hard to ensure that bounty hunters know who and where your target is. I want to bring together bounty hunters of all skill levels and pilots willing to subcontract locator services to them. Interested? Join our channel, Discreet Bounties, to view our target list and start building the community of bounty hunters to hunt down every last one of them and squeeze out every ISK.
Your enemy won't know what hit them. Best of all, they won't know who hit them. Your identity is my closest-guarded secret. CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
338
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Posted - 2012.12.05 14:49:00 -
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Nice niche. I wish you all profit and a successful business model.
But I'll handle my own grudges, thanks. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
1232
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Posted - 2012.12.06 00:35:00 -
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I don't have anyone I care enough about to place a bounty on, and if I did, I wouldn't be scared of them knowing that I have a problem with them.
That said, I'm happy to hunt bounties. I can also provide locator agents, depending on what's needed and how I'll be reimbursed. Mane 614
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Sepherim
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:32:00 -
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So, in the end, you favor the cowards to act even more cowardly. Excellent, just what the galaxy needed.
_________ Sepherim Catillah Ex-Imperial Navy Officer _____________Sepherim CatillahEx-Imperial Navy Officer |

Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
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Posted - 2012.12.06 06:24:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:I don't have anyone I care enough about to place a bounty on, and if I did, I wouldn't be scared of them knowing that I have a problem with them.
That said, I'm happy to hunt bounties. I can also provide locator agents, depending on what's needed and how I'll be reimbursed. Mr. Ixiris, your enthusiasm for the hunt is admirable. The Discreet Bounties channel is a forum for bounty hunters to gather and coordinate hunts against any targets they please (I provide a list of bounties I've posted for my own clients). The bounties themselves and the excitement of the kill are the bounty hunters' reward. I also hope enterprising pilots will hang about and make their locator services available to bounty hunters at whatever price they negotiate. In this respect, I am an unpaid facilitator. I place the bounties for a fee, but I am trying to build a community for bounty hunters to collaborate out of my sheer love of seeing people get what's coming to them.
((Discreet Bounties channel is officially OOC to accommodate the largest possible community, but roleplayers are certainly welcome, and an explicitly in-character channel is an option if community demand is high enough.)) CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties |

Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
6
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Posted - 2012.12.06 09:38:00 -
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It's always delightful to see entrepreneurs at work. I had considered expansion possibilities within the same niche, but I have to admit, I think that I prefer your business model.
I regret that I'm not too particularly invested in grudges with specific people, but rather larger entities. This goes give me an idea, though.
Moitte, Derek Quaid. |

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
393
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:18:00 -
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This whole discussion is quite sad. Vengeance is evidence of being wholly overcome by the basest and most primitive of human emotions. To yield to the desire to take vengeance is to yield to a compromise of one's soul to evil. Vengeance perpetuates violence! Instead, when someone hurts you, sate your hurting soul by helping ten people. Find out how much more healthy good is for your soul than evil. Holding a grudge will decay your insides and any satisfaction you may feel when you take your vengeance will be short lived. If you want a lasting satisfaction, do good to others. Seeking revenge is a poison. Revenge is neither sweet nor savory; it is bitter. The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |

Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
342
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:23:00 -
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Very nice sentiment, but helping those ten people won't stop the one person who hurt me from going on to hurt others. So in practice a well-placed bounty could prevent harm to an even larger number of people than would be affected by my ten acts of charity.
If I get it in my head that somebody deserves stomping flat, pilot, it's not out of base anger - it's out of the cold conviction that the universe will be a better place once I'm done. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Quinzel Nikulainen
Kokako Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.12.06 15:39:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:This whole thing.
Whilst I respect your philanthropy, and I support the cause of helping your fellow man, it isn't a solution to a grudge. If you're helping mankind as an outlet for being personally hurt, your satisfaction may be enjoyed for a longer term, but only for as long as you are willing to lie to yourself.
Also - I can't help but think that the dulcet themes of your message are a little betrayed by the fact that ultimately, you're bumping the thread listing of an advertisement that will undoubtedly facilitate many mass-killings. |

Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
178
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:36:00 -
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This doesn't actually sound like a revenge.
More like a business opportunity of eliminating rivals without staining own reputation with 'dirty' work.
What I'd define as revenge, is causing harm to your victim, who MUST know why he deserved it and who brought it on him. The moment, you grasp him and stare into his eyes, and when you see in his eyes that he recognizes you. And then he realizes whole chain of events, how it all started, how it escalated, and what brought him here, and why he is in your hands now. And then he realizes that everything is lost. And now, when you get everything from him, you release him and watch him falling down into oblivion.
THIS would be a revenge. |

Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
393
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Posted - 2012.12.06 19:49:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Very nice sentiment, but helping those ten people won't stop the one person who hurt me from going on to hurt others. So in practice a well-placed bounty could prevent harm to an even larger number of people than would be affected by my ten acts of charity.
If I get it in my head that somebody deserves stomping flat, pilot, it's not out of base anger - it's out of the cold conviction that the universe will be a better place once I'm done.
Perhaps we now have a discussion worth having. You raise the issue of defining the difference between vengeance and justice. Justice is a societal value that protects people from continued hurt. Criminal justice systems seek to punish and/or reform the offender in order to prevent repeat "hurting" of others. Vengeance is not justice. It does not have the controls nor the purpose of justice. The new bounty system appeals to vengeance, not justice. I see no value in it at all. The business model of the OP simply takes advantage of the continued desire for vengeance and does nothing to promote justice.
Justice requires societal consensus. Bounty placing and bounty hunting is mere individualistic violent grudge bearing. Especially among capsuleers, it has no redeeming value and will only generate a back and forth continued cycle of ongoing violence with no redeeming societal value.
In a better world, while I am helping the ten, law enforcement and the criminal justice system is taking care of justice so that I do not need to become a vigilante nor hire one.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |

Pieter Tuulinen
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
38
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Posted - 2012.12.06 23:54:00 -
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Mister Momaki, as a former Corporate Security professional I really do appreciate the need to allow Justice to be performed by trained professionals, operating from a dispassionate and unbiased base. The only problem with that solution is that it doesn't pertain to Capsuleers. Concord is not in the business of Justice, simply in deterring Capsuleers from inflicting too much awfulness on baseliner populations.
There is virtually no LAW that applies to capsuleers unless they choose to be bound by it.
These bounties are merely a form of self-regulation amongst capsuleer society and their effect upon your operations is simply a function of Concords rules allowing a Capsuleer to act to protect his property. |

Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
32
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Posted - 2012.12.07 02:34:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote: Perhaps we now have a discussion worth having. You raise the issue of defining the difference between vengeance and justice. Justice is a societal value that protects people from continued hurt. Criminal justice systems seek to punish and/or reform the offender in order to prevent repeat "hurting" of others. Vengeance is not justice. It does not have the controls nor the purpose of justice. The new bounty system appeals to vengeance, not justice. I see no value in it at all. The business model of the OP simply takes advantage of the continued desire for vengeance and does nothing to promote justice.
Justice requires societal consensus. Bounty placing and bounty hunting is mere individualistic violent grudge bearing. Especially among capsuleers, it has no redeeming value and will only generate a back and forth continued cycle of ongoing violence with no redeeming societal value.
In a better world, while I am helping the ten, law enforcement and the criminal justice system is taking care of justice so that I do not need to become a vigilante nor hire one.
Your entire analysis boils down to the notion that executions authorized by a legal system's mechanisms are inherently legitimate, and executions by vigilantes are illegitimate. The bounty system meets your criteria for legitimacy. The legal system that governs capsuleers has effectively deputized every single one of us to engage in assessing damages via bounties and leaving others to collect those damages within a separate segment of the legal framework.
I fail to see your grievance here. CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties |

Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
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Posted - 2012.12.08 10:28:00 -
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I am delighted to report that the first kill has been scored against one of our clients' targets. Niccolo Machiavilli was successfully hunted down for a payout over 13 million ISK. His bounty remains above 50 million ISK, including a 10 million ISK bounty from our client.
I congratulate the bounty hunter on a fine kill and extend my heartfelt thanks for serving the needs of our clients, intentionally or not. CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties |

Da Dom
Wii R
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Posted - 2013.02.06 18:04:00 -
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Derek Quaid wrote:Your entire analysis boils down to the notion that executions authorized by a legal system's mechanisms are inherently legitimate, and executions by vigilantes are illegitimate. The bounty system meets your criteria for legitimacy. The legal system that governs capsuleers has effectively deputized every single one of us to engage in assessing damages via bounties and leaving others to collect those damages within a separate segment of the legal framework.
I fail to see your grievance here.
Close, but slightly off...
If your bouty hunters kill anyone in high-sec, then they are breaking the law (unless the target is also a wanted criminal)
I still prefer my " In ya god-damned face" approach to vengence, than your "They'll have no idea who stabbed them in the back" approach that you're selling. If your liberty is won by others then you are not free, you are merely protected.You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your -áin the currency of honest toil and human blood |

Lasairiona
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:08:00 -
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While I admire your endeavours, placing a bounty on a pregnant mother of 250mil for a customer is excessive, no? |

Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
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Posted - 2013.02.07 01:41:00 -
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Lasairiona wrote:While I admire your endeavours, placing a bounty on a pregnant mother of 250mil for a customer is excessive, no? I don't give a moment's thought to the targets my clients select. I provide the service that I advertise, no questions asked.
Congratulations to you and the father on your expected bundle of joy. As no sane mother would do anything to put her child in harm's way, your concern is moot. I am sure you'll stay out of your pod until the child is born, so no one will have opportunity to collect the bounty until then. CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties |

Vectra Sharpe
Imperium Quaestores
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Posted - 2013.02.07 05:30:00 -
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Excuse me, Mr. Quaid, but I feel where there is no due process, I feel there is also no real justice...
I-I've heard stories about people who have been placed under an excessively large bounty simply for not giving in the the whims of more rich and powerful capsuleers around them. So who will speak for the weaker among us, or those of us that don't wish to be violent, war mongering fools?
Um... I-It's just my opinion, but I believe endorsing wanton murder over personal vendettas is inexcusable. And I know, it doesn't seem like a big deal for a capsuleer to lose a few million isk and a large ship. For most of you, this is just an inconvenience, right? But please.... please... consider the baseliner crews and their families...
Thanks for your time. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. |

Sepherim
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
231
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Posted - 2013.02.07 06:24:00 -
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I think you are too kind with captain Quaid, captain Sharpe. A coward like him, fueling the needs and giving tools to other cowards, clearly cares little for the harm his actions can bring. He cares not for the lives of those he places the bounties on, nor their crew members, nor the reasons for the bounty, or anything else. I'd call him a mercenary, but he doesn't actually have the guts to do himself the jobs his coward patrons expect is done, so I'd just call him an empty, soul-less, merchant. A trader in the business of death, too. Sepherim Catillah; Ex-Imperial Navy Officer |

Vectra Sharpe
Imperium Quaestores
0
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Posted - 2013.02.07 06:39:00 -
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*Makes a polite bow*
T-thank you for your kind words, Mr. Sepherim, but we should try to avoid stooping to his level by instigating further arguments, I think. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. |

Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1120
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Posted - 2013.02.07 06:59:00 -
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Vectra Sharpe wrote:Excuse me, Mr. Quaid, but I feel where there is no due process, I feel there is also no real justice...
I-I've heard stories about people who have been placed under an excessively large bounty simply for not giving in the the whims of more rich and powerful capsuleers around them. So who will speak for the weaker among us, or those of us that don't wish to be violent, war mongering fools?
Um... I-It's just my opinion, but I believe endorsing wanton murder over personal vendettas is inexcusable. And I know, it doesn't seem like a big deal for a capsuleer to lose a few million isk and a large ship. For most of you, this is just an inconvenience, right? But please.... please... consider the baseliner crews and their families...
Thanks for your time.
Impressively well said. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
845
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Posted - 2013.02.07 07:23:00 -
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Lasairiona wrote:While I admire your endeavours, placing a bounty on a pregnant mother of 250mil for a customer is excessive, no?
A pregnant mother of 250,000,000? Egads, what is she, a termite?
EvE Forum Bingo |

Lasairiona
Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension
2
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Posted - 2013.02.07 10:33:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Lasairiona wrote:While I admire your endeavours, placing a bounty on a pregnant mother of 250mil for a customer is excessive, no? A pregnant mother of 250,000,000? Egads, what is she, a termite?
Reread what I wrote. Perhaps I should have put 250mil isk. There is no pleasing people, is there?
And I agree. Anonymously placing bounties on people is a coward's way out. |

Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Group Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 13:15:00 -
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Ideals are nice and all and having a cause to fight for is alright, But in the end the winners of war write the history books and the losers write the songs. I'm just a hired gun, my only loyalty to my Corp, what little remains of my family, and whoever is paying my bills.
I like the service you're offering here Mr. Quaid, you strip away all pretense and whitewash and stab right into the heart of things. Whoever has the most cash is going to get the best guns and the best pilots, whoever gets those wins the wars. No pretense, no "moral high ground." Just business. I look forward to working with you in the future. |

BloodBird
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2013.04.09 13:42:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Ideals are nice and all and having a cause to fight for is alright, But in the end the winners of war write the history books and the losers write the songs. I'm just a hired gun, my only loyalty to my Corp, what little remains of my family, and whoever is paying my bills.
I like the service you're offering here Mr. Quaid, you strip away all pretense and whitewash and stab right into the heart of things. Whoever has the most cash is going to get the best guns and the best pilots, whoever gets those wins the wars. No pretense, no "moral high ground." Just business. I look forward to working with you in the future.
"It was just business!" was screamed back to me when I ended the man responsible for the deaths of those I cared about, pilot.
Just because it's "business" does not mean anything, and in some situation it's the ultimate insult. "I'm having everyone you care for killed. It's just business, you understand, nothing personal." Well I made it personal, and I dealt with it on my own.
I imagine that the majority of pilots that feel justified about placing bounties are the kinds that don't have the means themselves to deal with their grievances in person, hoping their ISK will encourage others to do for them what they can't. You do not need to hide who set that bounty in that case, or any case but this one - covert harassment.
The only thing this joke of a 'businessman' will provide is to help the ones who have loads of ISK, to much time on their hands and find pleasure in bothering others with it. Anyone can have bounties set on them, and high enough, they can cause great troubles for plenty of people. In most cases however the one's who do get this kind of treatment at least know who is doing it - and can respond in kind if they wish.
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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Group Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
0
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Posted - 2013.04.09 15:37:00 -
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BloodBird wrote:Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Ideals are nice and all and having a cause to fight for is alright, But in the end the winners of war write the history books and the losers write the songs. I'm just a hired gun, my only loyalty to my Corp, what little remains of my family, and whoever is paying my bills.
I like the service you're offering here Mr. Quaid, you strip away all pretense and whitewash and stab right into the heart of things. Whoever has the most cash is going to get the best guns and the best pilots, whoever gets those wins the wars. No pretense, no "moral high ground." Just business. I look forward to working with you in the future. "It was just business!" was screamed back to me when I ended the man responsible for the deaths of those I cared about, pilot. Just because it's "business" does not mean anything, and in some situation it's the ultimate insult. "I'm having everyone you care for killed. It's just business, you understand, nothing personal." Well I made it personal, and I dealt with it on my own. I imagine that the majority of pilots that feel justified about placing bounties are the kinds that don't have the means themselves to deal with their grievances in person, hoping their ISK will encourage others to do for them what they can't. You do not need to hide who set that bounty in that case, or any case but this one - covert harassment. The only thing this joke of a 'businessman' will provide is to help the ones who have loads of ISK, to much time on their hands and find pleasure in bothering others with it. Anyone can have bounties set on them, and high enough, they can cause great troubles for plenty of people. In most cases however the one's who do get this kind of treatment at least know who is doing it - and can respond in kind if they wish.
While I agree that often "it's just business" is the ultimate insult and while I have much respect for anyone willing to get their own hands dirty to solve their own problems and grievances. I'm not here to debate the merits, or lack there of in some opinions, of Mr. Quaid's venture. I may not have much respect for the men and women who use the services of Mr. Quaid, but I will gladly take their money. Who knows, maybe the person who placed the money was incapable of solving their grievance and needed outside support? Maybe if they had placed the bounty themself they or their loved ones would be at risk? Maybe they were simply to lazy to track the person down? Its not my place to ask or care why I'm being paid, just to complete the job and hopefully right a wrong or two. |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
591
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Posted - 2013.04.09 17:50:00 -
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Sepherim wrote:I think you are too kind with captain Quaid, captain Sharpe. A coward like him, fueling the needs and giving tools to other cowards, clearly cares little for the harm his actions can bring. He cares not for the lives of those he places the bounties on, nor their crew members, nor the reasons for the bounty, or anything else. I'd call him a mercenary, but he doesn't actually have the guts to do himself the jobs his coward patrons expect is done, so I'd just call him an empty, soul-less, merchant. A trader in the business of death, too.
A very good comment by Captain Sepherim. This "businessman" is nothing more than a leech seeking to profit from the pain and suffering of others and attempting to paint it as something somehow noble. He should just drop the flowery rhetoric and call his callous venture what it is. People would have more respect then I'm sure.
What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Shintoko Akahoshi
Kabuki TransSolar
2
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Posted - 2013.04.09 20:46:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:A very good comment by Captain Sepherim. This "businessman" is nothing more than a leech seeking to profit from the pain and suffering of others and attempting to paint it as something somehow noble. He should just drop the flowery rhetoric and call his callous venture what it is. People would have more respect then I'm sure.
There have always been people who practice Quaid's profession. Typically they are a little more... discrete... about advertising their services, but that's really the only difference I see.
As for the recourse available to the targets, they are also as they have always been: self-defense (in traditional or creative modes), avoidance, or outside assistance. Given the nature of Quaid's profession, and the nature of his targets, the implications should be pretty obvious. Bio and writing |

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
266
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Posted - 2013.04.10 03:42:00 -
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It's certainly amusing to read all this outrage over an anonymous bounty service by participants in a deregulated War Economy that promotes the privatization of armed force and violence; the limitless growth of a decentralized armaments industry; and an economic model that promotes the eternal demand for military supplies through perpetual conflict and destruction. Maker, the services offered by Mr. Quaid are no different ethically than those capsuleers who profit greatly selling arms on the SCC markets only to assuage their guilt with, "Well, those guns I just sold privately to capsuleers don't kill people, capsuleers kill people," when they manage to punch a few holes in some unfortunate's hull and vent the crew into hard vacuum.
I honestly can't believe either how naive, deluded or in denial some capsuleers seem to be as to political and economic realities of the cluster or do you just need some dregs of rationalization to maintain the cognitive dissonance that we all don't have some blood on our hands either directly or indirectly that a few moral platitudes expressed in public won't easily wash out?
Pathetic, really. |

Derek Quaid
Discreet Bounties
149
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Posted - 2013.04.10 03:58:00 -
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While I'm delighted to see people taking an interest in my business--truly, I thank you for the free publicity--the current reality is that I don't profit at all from it. The current transaction fee is 0 ISK.
I protect my clients from retaliatory bounties or hostile action. I am doing it for free at the moment. Please, tell me again how heartless I am. I promise to start losing sleep over it. CEO, Discreet Bounties In-game Channel: Discreet Bounties |
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