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CYVOK
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Posted - 2005.05.08 03:36:00 -
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We are proud to announce the posting of our official charter at www.celestial-horizon.net. Center of the page.
Over the comming weeks the CLS site will be modified for ASCN use.
All standings have been reset and current values can be viewed in-game in the Bio's of, CYVOK, KSUDruid & Steel Rat.
ASCN Space is closed to everyone not holding a +5 or better standing to us.
If you wish for a "diplomatic" relationship with ASCN please contact CYVOK, KSUDruid or Steel Rat.
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Roger Dodger
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Posted - 2005.05.08 04:04:00 -
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Edited by: Roger Dodger on 08/05/2005 04:05:00 Stricter rules than many other alliances I've seen, but it seems that's what's necessary these days to survive.
However, I'm not sure treating your non-founding alliance members like second-class citizens is such a great idea.
Good luck.
__________________ Proud member of the SinBin Fan Club
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0Virtu0
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Posted - 2005.05.08 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: 0Virtu0 on 08/05/2005 04:58:51
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CLS & DDC reserves the right to kick out any Corp that is part of the ASCN at any time. This includes Corps not in the IGA.
So basically Celestial Horizons and Dirty Deeds are the dictator corporations of the alliance and treat other corporations as lower entities?
Good luck with your alliance anyway. "Beware the Ides of March, Caesar." ---------------------------------- I play EvE and I don't even get a stupid signature. |
dj lightning
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Posted - 2005.05.08 04:59:00 -
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/me wonders if we are still +5
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Kerosene
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Posted - 2005.05.08 04:59:00 -
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I can understand a dictator alliance and how it might work, however when everyone is equal by the fact they all pay the same amount every month to play eve, it's going to be difficult to dictate a lot of people.
Essentially DDC & CLS are saying 'Do as we say or you're out'. I'm not sure who'd want to be in that alliance tbh. I certainly wouldn't want to be thier biatch.
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Hyey
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Posted - 2005.05.08 05:14:00 -
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You guys would be incredably surprised at the length people will do for people whom they respect and trust.
Full democracies dont work in eve anymore with large entities, NOTHING ever gets done. Reaction time gets slow, the result is a slow painful death thats usually too hard to detect until its already on the bottom of the shaft. "Dictatorships" will work if the people who are under it put their full trust in their leaders and those leaders make sound decisions. Just my 2 cents on that. ~~ Hyey
I just payed 15 dollars this month just to be able to respond on the forums... stupid cancellation error.
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0Virtu0
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Posted - 2005.05.08 05:22:00 -
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Edited by: 0Virtu0 on 08/05/2005 05:22:09 It all depends on how those who have the power use it. Use it wisely and be strong or be an idiot with it and have your "citizens" stab you one at a time with a knife in a public place. ---------------------------------- I play EvE and I don't even get a stupid signature. |
Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.05.08 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene I can understand a dictator alliance and how it might work, however when everyone is equal by the fact they all pay the same amount every month to play eve, it's going to be difficult to dictate a lot of people.
Essentially DDC & CLS are saying 'Do as we say or you're out'. I'm not sure who'd want to be in that alliance tbh. I certainly wouldn't want to be thier biatch.
You're doing exactly the same thing in Vale (iirc).
Power comes out of the barrel of a gun, effectiveness comes out of respect for ones leaders.
The sooner the people of EVE realise that the more enjoyable their gaming will become.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.05.08 05:39:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 08/05/2005 05:44:40
Originally by: Dianabolic Power comes out of the barrel of a gun, effectiveness comes out of respect for ones leaders.
The sooner the people of EVE realise that the more enjoyable their gaming will become.
Agreed. So long as the leaders of ASCN use thier power wisely, the members of the alliance will be extremely loyal. Personally, in a gaming enviornment such as EVE, I'd much rather follow the lead of a few people with thier heads on striaght than debate every decision with some sort of 'council' for a week at a time.
Good Luck to ASCN and your newfound resolve! -
T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today! |
Uggs386
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Posted - 2005.05.08 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Kerosene I can understand a dictator alliance and how it might work, however when everyone is equal by the fact they all pay the same amount every month to play eve, it's going to be difficult to dictate a lot of people.
Essentially DDC & CLS are saying 'Do as we say or you're out'. I'm not sure who'd want to be in that alliance tbh. I certainly wouldn't want to be thier biatch.
You're doing exactly the same thing in Vale (iirc).
Power comes out of the barrel of a gun, effectiveness comes out of respect for ones leaders.
The sooner the people of EVE realise that the more enjoyable their gaming will become.
TBH I have no idea what we are doing in vale is in anyway similar to what ascn is doing. All member corporations of the va have equal say.
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Noob Esquire
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Posted - 2005.05.08 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Uggs386
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Kerosene I can understand a dictator alliance and how it might work, however when everyone is equal by the fact they all pay the same amount every month to play eve, it's going to be difficult to dictate a lot of people.
Essentially DDC & CLS are saying 'Do as we say or you're out'. I'm not sure who'd want to be in that alliance tbh. I certainly wouldn't want to be thier biatch.
You're doing exactly the same thing in Vale (iirc).
Power comes out of the barrel of a gun, effectiveness comes out of respect for ones leaders.
The sooner the people of EVE realise that the more enjoyable their gaming will become.
TBH I have no idea what we are doing in vale is in anyway similar to what ascn is doing. All member corporations of the va have equal say.
Some are more equal than others.
Xendie PWN's Himself |
Stufico
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Posted - 2005.05.08 06:10:00 -
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Originally by: Noob Esquire
Originally by: Uggs386
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Kerosene I can understand a dictator alliance and how it might work, however when everyone is equal by the fact they all pay the same amount every month to play eve, it's going to be difficult to dictate a lot of people.
Essentially DDC & CLS are saying 'Do as we say or you're out'. I'm not sure who'd want to be in that alliance tbh. I certainly wouldn't want to be thier biatch.
You're doing exactly the same thing in Vale (iirc).
Power comes out of the barrel of a gun, effectiveness comes out of respect for ones leaders.
The sooner the people of EVE realise that the more enjoyable their gaming will become.
TBH I have no idea what we are doing in vale is in anyway similar to what ascn is doing. All member corporations of the va have equal say.
Some are more equal than others.
null Some are more equal than others.
What is this, Animal Farm? Next the pigs will look like men and we will not be able to tell the difference!
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MuthaTrucka
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Posted - 2005.05.08 06:15:00 -
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Yall are silly....... Arguing as if you understand. Maybe if you asked question you would have a greater understanding but since you didn't, I won't Answer. Maybe understanding is not you Cause, thats Cool.
Till we can get some decent discussion or measuring of Epeens then LONG LIVE THE KING! \0/
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ] |
Voltron
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Posted - 2005.05.08 06:24:00 -
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SALAD FINGERS 4 PREZ
Volt
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.05.08 08:07:00 -
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Finally someone has the guts to instate a dictatorship in their alliance.
Good job, and may your reign be long and prosporous.
Sani Sabik. |
Foyle
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Posted - 2005.05.08 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: MuthaTrucka Yall are silly....... Arguing as if you understand. Maybe if you asked question you would have a greater understanding but since you didn't, I won't Answer. Maybe understanding is not you Cause, thats Cool.
Till we can get some decent discussion or measuring of Epeens then LONG LIVE THE KING! \0/
*raises hand with a question*
I think CYVOK is trying to split us up... he doesnt hold me in +10 standings
I will be the bigger person and still wish you all luck with your new endeavor
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Virtuozzo
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Posted - 2005.05.08 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene So long as the leaders of ASCN use thier power wisely, the members of the alliance will be extremely loyal. Personally, in a gaming enviornment such as EVE, I'd much rather follow the lead of a few people with thier heads on striaght than debate every decision with some sort of 'council' for a week at a time.
Indeed - cheers :)
Cheers,
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.05.08 12:04:00 -
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I have every confidence in Cyvoks leadership ability... if you read the best ceo thread im pretty sure alot of others respect his decisions aswell.
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Hastrabull
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Posted - 2005.05.08 12:07:00 -
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Good luck guys ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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Toridima
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Posted - 2005.05.08 12:10:00 -
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Diplomatic carebears in space transform themselves into dictatorial carebears in space with a whole new swathe of NAPs
Radicle!
Same **** different day.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.05.08 12:34:00 -
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Quote: If a member of the ASCN violates recognized sovereign territory of another 0.0 Alliance, Corporation, Faction, Whatever, that corporation does so on it's own behalf and DOES NOT represent ASCN in such actions.
Sadly it doens't work that way
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Elenia Kheynes
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Posted - 2005.05.08 13:33:00 -
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I have a bad feeling when looking at this charter... It's something I frankly dislike. It might work for sometime because of the bad experience most corps had within xetic. But it's an oligarchy and sooner or later it will **** up.
Dear friendly customer... Can I have your money ?
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MuthaTrucka
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Posted - 2005.05.08 14:51:00 -
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Awwe Foyle your neutral, But we'll always have New Caldari........
--------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all. --------------- [ Internally Yours foyle, MT ] |
Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.05.08 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Elenia Kheynes I have a bad feeling when looking at this charter... It's something I frankly dislike. It might work for sometime because of the bad experience most corps had within xetic. But it's an oligarchy and sooner or later it will **** up.
If it's something you dislike, then feel free to not join. Pretty simple really.
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Coasterbrian
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Posted - 2005.05.08 17:08:00 -
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Go away, olyyy.
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KSUDruid
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Posted - 2005.05.08 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tobiaz
Quote: If a member of the ASCN violates recognized sovereign territory of another 0.0 Alliance, Corporation, Faction, Whatever, that corporation does so on it's own behalf and DOES NOT represent ASCN in such actions.
Sadly it doens't work that way
Well, it kind of does, We're stating that ASCN corps should not have any business in other peoples space. If they go there, it's not something the ASCN leadership authorized and we'll hold them responsible for it, most likely by booting them out.
The whole concept here is that people are responsible for their actions in this organization. If you go off and be a smacktard somewhere, chances are real good you won't be welcome here. I for one really don't like morons representing me, and we don't want those kind of people around. I really thought it seemed pretty simple, if you act like a 'tard, we won't tolerate it.
-Druid "Civis Ascendant"
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.05.08 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid
Originally by: Tobiaz
Quote: If a member of the ASCN violates recognized sovereign territory of another 0.0 Alliance, Corporation, Faction, Whatever, that corporation does so on it's own behalf and DOES NOT represent ASCN in such actions.
Sadly it doens't work that way
Well, it kind of does, We're stating that ASCN corps should not have any business in other peoples space. If they go there, it's not something the ASCN leadership authorized and we'll hold them responsible for it, most likely by booting them out.
The whole concept here is that people are responsible for their actions in this organization. If you go off and be a smacktard somewhere, chances are real good you won't be welcome here. I for one really don't like morons representing me, and we don't want those kind of people around. I really thought it seemed pretty simple, if you act like a 'tard, we won't tolerate it.
I think it all depends where your looking at it from, this is how i think its being seen from both sides.
Tobiaz is thinking the alliance who has been attacked will hold ASCN responcible, while on the other side druid is seeing it from ASCN side which is punishing the corp/person who caused the problem. And tbo its likely both would happen.
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Gilette
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Posted - 2005.05.08 19:53:00 -
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Deja Vu......
This looks a lot like what Xetic tried to tell the five (before the were) when they came back down to Curse, which by the way was written by Cyvok and Co. Yes Cyvok was the mastermind behind it then and it looks like he just spent a little time and decided......"Hey, we weren't able to dupe our enemies, so let's see if we can dupe our friends."
This is just all too hilarious for me to swollow, so I'll leave it at that!!!!
Please tell me I'm mistaken so I can continue to laugh at your "We are the best and you're just the rest" philosophy!!! |
Eleese
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Posted - 2005.05.08 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gilette Deja Vu......
This looks a lot like what Xetic tried to tell the five (before the were) when they came back down to Curse, which by the way was written by Cyvok and Co. Yes Cyvok was the mastermind behind it then and it looks like he just spent a little time and decided......"Hey, we weren't able to dupe our enemies, so let's see if we can dupe our friends."
This is just all too hilarious for me to swollow, so I'll leave it at that!!!!
Please tell me I'm mistaken so I can continue to laugh at your "We are the best and you're just the rest" philosophy!!!
you obviously arnt the best or you'd have the balls to post with your main :)
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.05.08 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gilette This is just all too hilarious for me to swollow
Spit or swallow? Pink or Brown?
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Nuala Reece
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Posted - 2005.05.08 22:35:00 -
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Just to be a bit picky - it looks more like a military junta at the moment that a dictatorship or an oligarchy. Not to say that's either a good or a bad thing - who knows how this'll turn out until we're a few more months down the line.
Originally by: Eleese
Originally by: KSUDruid
Originally by: Tobiaz
Quote: If a member of the ASCN violates recognized sovereign territory of another 0.0 Alliance, Corporation, Faction, Whatever, that corporation does so on it's own behalf and DOES NOT represent ASCN in such actions.
Sadly it doens't work that way
Well, it kind of does, We're stating that ASCN corps should not have any business in other peoples space. If they go there, it's not something the ASCN leadership authorized and we'll hold them responsible for it, most likely by booting them out.
The whole concept here is that people are responsible for their actions in this organization. If you go off and be a smacktard somewhere, chances are real good you won't be welcome here. I for one really don't like morons representing me, and we don't want those kind of people around. I really thought it seemed pretty simple, if you act like a 'tard, we won't tolerate it.
I think it all depends where your looking at it from, this is how i think its being seen from both sides.
Tobiaz is thinking the alliance who has been attacked will hold ASCN responcible, while on the other side druid is seeing it from ASCN side which is punishing the corp/person who caused the problem. And tbo its likely both would happen.
I agree with Eleese on this one - from one point of view the alliance is suggesting it will deal with 'rogue' members in it's own way and doesn't feel it should be held responsible for the actions of such 'rogues'. On the other hand, from the point of view of the wronged group, that clause in the charter could neatly provide for plausible deniability on the part of Ascendant Frontier - any incursion could be blamed on 'rogue elements' and they'd have to take AF's word for it that action had been taken.
In the end it'll come down to AF developing the respect and trust (although fear also appears to be part of the plan )of other alliances through their actions over the coming weeks and months rather than their words now.
Be Free Freelancing Corp |
Nytemaster
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Posted - 2005.05.09 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Nuala Reece Just to be a bit picky - it looks more like a military junta at the moment that a dictatorship or an oligarchy. Not to say that's either a good or a bad thing - who knows how this'll turn out until we're a few more months down the line.
Originally by: Eleese
Originally by: KSUDruid
Originally by: Tobiaz
Quote: If a member of the ASCN violates recognized sovereign territory of another 0.0 Alliance, Corporation, Faction, Whatever, that corporation does so on it's own behalf and DOES NOT represent ASCN in such actions.
Sadly it doens't work that way
Well, it kind of does, We're stating that ASCN corps should not have any business in other peoples space. If they go there, it's not something the ASCN leadership authorized and we'll hold them responsible for it, most likely by booting them out.
The whole concept here is that people are responsible for their actions in this organization. If you go off and be a smacktard somewhere, chances are real good you won't be welcome here. I for one really don't like morons representing me, and we don't want those kind of people around. I really thought it seemed pretty simple, if you act like a 'tard, we won't tolerate it.
I think it all depends where your looking at it from, this is how i think its being seen from both sides.
Tobiaz is thinking the alliance who has been attacked will hold ASCN responcible, while on the other side druid is seeing it from ASCN side which is punishing the corp/person who caused the problem. And tbo its likely both would happen.
I agree with Eleese on this one - from one point of view the alliance is suggesting it will deal with 'rogue' members in it's own way and doesn't feel it should be held responsible for the actions of such 'rogues'. On the other hand, from the point of view of the wronged group, that clause in the charter could neatly provide for plausible deniability on the part of Ascendant Frontier - any incursion could be blamed on 'rogue elements' and they'd have to take AF's word for it that action had been taken.
In the end it'll come down to AF developing the respect and trust (although fear also appears to be part of the plan )of other alliances through their actions over the coming weeks and months rather than their words now.
I understand what you are trying to say here and the deniability could be an issue. However, I am sure should an incident happen with Shinra or any other of The Five, that they would be included in the punishement and/or dismissal of the pilot/corp discussion.
Not that Shinra, for example, would have any say in what happens to said pilot/corporation but just we be informed of the punishment. If the punishment fits the crime, I'm sure there would be no issue. But, if there is failure to punish said member on equal level to the crime, it may cause issues with us.
This is probably the best course of action to take on the matter. I see no problem with the way they want to handle things as long as they duely punish members for wrongdoing. Scapegoats would only tense the situation further and I am sure CYVOK is well aware of this.
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Zardock
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Posted - 2005.05.09 02:59:00 -
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Second class citizens? Mining slaves? I really love how you guys have understood absolutely nothing at all. It's not DDC and CLS who dictate and treat the member corps as underlings. It's DDC and CLS making the best decision for everyone without having to debate it for a week then vote it during the week after. It's not ASCN member corps being oppressed. It's them placing their trust in the alliance leadership to accomplish our common goals. See it as dictatorship as far as decision making goes, but the people in ASCN WANT to be there, deserve to be here and are in no way being oppressed.
We want to be here, we want it to be that way. We don't want another Xetic. We want to accomplish our goals our way and because of that no one feels part of a dictatorship in the way some of you guys have implied earlier.
I personnaly feel part of a big team led by competant leaders who can make quick decisions in the best interest of the alliance AS A WHOLE. We are on the same boat, and only few people can drive at once.
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MeanWoobie
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Posted - 2005.05.09 05:05:00 -
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Cool. Looks like at this rate all I have to do is wait a few months for the peasants to rise up and make with the knives. All it takes is one or two bad decisions for people to decide they don't want to be ruled by a dictator. *gets out his popcorn and a comfy seat.*
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 09:04:31
Originally by: Zardock It's DDC and CLS making the best decision for everyone without having to debate it for a week
Your doomed - nuff said
p.s It might help if your leader / dictator actually got the name of your alliance correct when she posts official statements about them. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Ascedancy are a member of V and a respected PvP corp. Ascedant Frontier are a disrepected bunch of PvP lamers.
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Omatje
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Posted - 2005.05.09 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Omatje on 09/05/2005 09:56:00 No more field trips to Zloba
Now Balrog will make me mine all day!
Why dont we all f1f2f3 eachother? |
Weebear
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Posted - 2005.05.09 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 09:04:31
Originally by: Zardock It's DDC and CLS making the best decision for everyone without having to debate it for a week
Your doomed - nuff said
p.s It might help if your leader / dictator actually got the name of your alliance correct when she posts official statements about them. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Ascedancy are a member of V and a respected PvP corp. Ascedant Frontier are a disrepected bunch of PvP lamers.
When someone as obviously intelligent as you can spell both the corp and the alliance wrong, I think we can let Cyvok off with his typo......
If CLS members were to lose confidence everytime Cyvok made a spelling mistake we would have no corp :P Luckily it's not spelling that makes him a great leader. ----------------------- Honor and Serve!
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Crohnx
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Posted - 2005.05.09 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Crohnx on 09/05/2005 10:06:19
Originally by: Astruma Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 09:04:31
Originally by: Zardock It's DDC and CLS making the best decision for everyone without having to debate it for a week
Your doomed - nuff said
p.s It might help if your leader / dictator actually got the name of your alliance correct when she posts official statements about them. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Ascedancy are a member of V and a respected PvP corp. Ascedant Frontier are a disrepected bunch of PvP lamers.
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
http://cls.killboard.net
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 10:12:00 -
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Originally by: Weebear
When someone as obviously intelligent as you can spell both the corp and the alliance wrong, I think we can let Cyvok off with his typo......
I like it - a subtle but public hint that you are of superior intellegence to me, your dictator and probably most of Eve community.
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 10:37:57 Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 10:32:02
Originally by: Crohnx
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
Kills points : 49,494 Loss points : 60,404 Total points : -10,910
Stick to the Veldspar and politics it's what you do best. I guess the call of the roids is too strong in you, hence you NAP with your old enemies and your s***ing on your previous alliance. But hey, Weebear can spell so at least you have some respect left.
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Jodax
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Posted - 2005.05.09 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Crohnx
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
Kills points : 49,494 Loss points : 60,404 Total points : -10,910
Stick to the Veldspar and politics it's what you do best.
If we really wanted your opinion, we'd create an alt, and make a new thread, telling you what it is.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.05.09 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jodax If we really wanted your opinion, we'd create an alt, and make a new thread, telling you what it is.
LOL!!! Classic! -
T2 Weapons Testing in progress! Volunteer today! |
Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jodax
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Crohnx
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
Kills points : 49,494 Loss points : 60,404 Total points : -10,910
Stick to the Veldspar and politics it's what you do best.
If we really wanted your opinion, we'd create an alt, and make a new thread, telling you what it is.
You want opinions thats why you post this crap. You got mine.
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Jodax
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Posted - 2005.05.09 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Jodax
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Crohnx
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
Kills points : 49,494 Loss points : 60,404 Total points : -10,910
Stick to the Veldspar and politics it's what you do best.
If we really wanted your opinion, we'd create an alt, and make a new thread, telling you what it is.
You want opinions thats why you post this crap. You got mine.
I don't object to your opinion, I object to your use of an alt to make it. If you posted with your main, at least it would show conviction in your opinion. As an alt, your opinion is moot.
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jodax
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Jodax
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Crohnx
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
Kills points : 49,494 Loss points : 60,404 Total points : -10,910
Stick to the Veldspar and politics it's what you do best.
If we really wanted your opinion, we'd create an alt, and make a new thread, telling you what it is.
You want opinions thats why you post this crap. You got mine.
I don't object to your opinion, I object to your use of an alt to make it. If you posted with your main, at least it would show conviction in your opinion. As an alt, your opinion is moot.
I object to double-crossing, backstabbing theiving cowards - I know which is worse, it's a shame you don't.
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Jodax
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Posted - 2005.05.09 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Jodax
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Jodax
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Crohnx
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
Kills points : 49,494 Loss points : 60,404 Total points : -10,910
Stick to the Veldspar and politics it's what you do best.
If we really wanted your opinion, we'd create an alt, and make a new thread, telling you what it is.
You want opinions thats why you post this crap. You got mine.
I don't object to your opinion, I object to your use of an alt to make it. If you posted with your main, at least it would show conviction in your opinion. As an alt, your opinion is moot.
I object to double-crossing, backstabbing theiving cowards - I know which is worse, it's a shame you don't.
I'm sorry, I truly am. I didn't realise how difficult it must be for you to stand up for your own convictions now that you don't have a crutch to stand for you.
Now if you'll excuse me, Crohnx's mining barge needs a good clean...
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jodax
Now if you'll excuse me, Crohnx's mining barge needs a good clean...
Jodax with the frequency you loose ships you should concentrate on getting your own cleaned up. It's going to be seeing alot of action.
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Gilette
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Posted - 2005.05.09 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Jodax
Now if you'll excuse me, Crohnx's mining barge needs a good clean...
Jodax with the frequency you loose ships you should concentrate on getting your own cleaned up. It's going to be seeing alot of action.
He doesn't keep them long enough to get dirty. That's why he's cleaning other people's ships.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.05.09 13:15:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Jodax
Now if you'll excuse me, Crohnx's mining barge needs a good clean...
Jodax with the frequency you loose ships you should concentrate on getting your own cleaned up. It's going to be seeing alot of action.
Oh noes, a threat from an alt. We're all ****ed!
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Zardock
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Posted - 2005.05.09 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma I object to double-crossing, backstabbing theiving cowards - I know which is worse, it's a shame you don't.
Xetic alt, 'nuf said.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.09 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Jodax
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Crohnx
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
Kills points : 49,494 Loss points : 60,404 Total points : -10,910
Stick to the Veldspar and politics it's what you do best.
If we really wanted your opinion, we'd create an alt, and make a new thread, telling you what it is.
You want opinions thats why you post this crap. You got mine.
Wrong. It's a statement of our charter. I failed to see where CYVOK asked what you thought though. btw, where did you pull those kills/losses for CrohnX from? Fictional at best, and innacurate at worst.
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Tauge
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Posted - 2005.05.09 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tauge on 09/05/2005 15:02:27 Edited by: Tauge on 09/05/2005 15:01:20 ...And now to break the cycle of flaming...
Originally by: Zardock Second class citizens? Mining slaves? I really love how you guys have understood absolutely nothing at all. It's not DDC and CLS who dictate and treat the member corps as underlings. It's DDC and CLS making the best decision for everyone without having to debate it for a week then vote it during the week after. It's not ASCN member corps being oppressed. It's them placing their trust in the alliance leadership to accomplish our common goals. See it as dictatorship as far as decision making goes, but the people in ASCN WANT to be there, deserve to be here and are in no way being oppressed.
We want to be here, we want it to be that way. We don't want another Xetic. We want to accomplish our goals our way and because of that no one feels part of a dictatorship in the way some of you guys have implied earlier.
I personnaly feel part of a big team led by competant leaders who can make quick decisions in the best interest of the alliance AS A WHOLE. We are on the same boat, and only few people can drive at once.
You know the ironic thing is that serveral oppresive regimes throughout history said very similar things. Whether or not you become like said regimes remains to be seen. Things could be just like they are, and for my sake I hope so as my corp has apparently joined AF (or in the process of joining or whatever).
This is more along the lines of a warning. What certain posters have said is what could happen if you let things get out of control so, simply, don't let it happen.
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Foyle
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Posted - 2005.05.09 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: MuthaTrucka Awwe Foyle your neutral, But we'll always have New Caldari........
LMAO
WOOT, moving up! I am now nuetral! A little more to the right
Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
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Omeega
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Posted - 2005.05.09 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Jodax
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Crohnx
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
Kills points : 49,494 Loss points : 60,404 Total points : -10,910
Stick to the Veldspar and politics it's what you do best.
If we really wanted your opinion, we'd create an alt, and make a new thread, telling you what it is.
You want opinions thats why you post this crap. You got mine.
Wrong. It's a statement of our charter. I failed to see where CYVOK asked what you thought though. btw, where did you pull those kills/losses for CrohnX from? Fictional at best, and innacurate at worst.
Crohnx pwns in pvp. fact
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zardock
Originally by: Astruma I object to double-crossing, backstabbing theiving cowards - I know which is worse, it's a shame you don't.
Xetic alt, 'nuf said.
Actually I left Xetic a number of months ago but I have followed what has happened with some interest as I have old friends that remain in what's left of XF. The irony is that despite the charter and the name change your just Xetic v 1.1 all over again, the same old corps rejoining, the same old attitude, the same old self-preservation society, the same old same old.
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Nuala Reece
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Posted - 2005.05.09 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tauge You know the ironic thing is that serveral oppresive regimes throughout history said very similar things. Whether or not you become like said regimes remains to be seen. Things could be just like they are, and for my sake I hope so as my corp has apparently joined AF (or in the process of joining or whatever).
This is more along the lines of a warning. What certain posters have said is what could happen if you let things get out of control so, simply, don't let it happen.
My point exactly
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.09 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma Originally by: Zardock
Originally by: Astruma I object to double-crossing, backstabbing theiving cowards - I know which is worse, it's a shame you don't.
Xetic alt, 'nuf said.
Actually I left Xetic a number of months ago but I have followed what has happened with some interest as I have old friends that remain in what's left of XF.
Thx for admitting it at least. But you're still a clueless alt.
Originally by: Astruma The irony is that despite the charter and the name change your just Xetic v 1.1 all over again, the same old corps rejoining, the same old attitude, the same old self-preservation society, the same old same old.
What can I say, you are an inept, misinformed and misguided person. Xetic is still Xetic. ASCN is not Xetic. In fact, we don't even have positive standings with them afaik. We do not have courts. We do not have bureacracy. We do not have a constitution. We do not care what you think.
Yes, most of our corporations are former XF. Truely shocking, omg. Probably because we built our alliance out of the best of who we thought of as friends, based upon new ideals, and new government structure, and with new goals.
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
Yes, most of our corporations are former XF. Truely shocking, omg. Probably because we built our alliance out of the best of who we thought of as friends, based upon new ideals, and new government structure, and with new goals.
Well lets just wait and see until next time the **** hits the fan how your 'friends' rally around you.
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.05.09 16:37:00 -
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Those who feel uncomfortable with the ASCN charter and method of doing things can rest safely in the knowledge that we don't want them onboard nor will we try to get them onboard.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.09 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: Krapz on 09/05/2005 18:05:46 wtf ever. this is so lame... go troll somewhere else.
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 18:02:00 -
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Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 18:05:22
Originally by: Krapz
You don't matter.
And nor does any one but CLS / DDC matter in your dictated to 'alliance'
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.09 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Krapz on 09/05/2005 18:31:05 Edited by: Krapz on 09/05/2005 18:28:24 Edited by: Krapz on 09/05/2005 18:27:27
Originally by: Astruma Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 18:05:22
Originally by: Krapz
You don't matter.
And nor does any one but CLS / DDC matter in your dictated to 'alliance'
ffs, why did you leave XF? Your words are like an annoying buzzing sound in my head that won't go away. You must have been someone important in XF, because you certainly have the traits down. You complain about something of which you know very little of. You post with an alt, for fear of retribution on your main. And finally, once you make it clear how little you know on the subject, you don't let it go, and continue to embarass yourself...
It rings of all the bureaucratic nonsense that everyone had to put up with. comlain, complain, complain.
just...
buzzzzzzzzzz
But you have no point m8, just complaints of something you are not a part of, and therefor, do not truely understand how it works.
so...
NO!!
You can't be in our cool little secret society. You can't have our special secret decoder rings. No one wants to be your friend. STFU, go back to your corner of the playground, and eat your ice-cream all by yourself. kthx.
We are not teh ebil rulaaz. We have just simplified the management chain. We don't need to vote on everything. We don't need a comittee of diplomats. We don't need everyone's input to make logical conclusions. We have some of the best leaders in the game. Everyone is content to let them do their thing. We know it works, because every corp in our alliance has been very successful to date, and they all know what their jobs are in the future.
Quit it with all this equality stuff. Not everyone is equal. The quicker you learn that, the better off you'll be. Some people are just bigger and stronger than you. It doesn't make it right, but it does make them bigger and stronger than you, regardless. CLS and DDC are now bigger and stronger BECAUSE of our partnerships with our ASCN corporations, but we also took the initiative to make this happen. We are accountable to our alliance, just like a board of directors is accountable to their stockholders. Or like an officer is in charge of it's troops. We all make it work together, it's not a dictatorship, but it can be if things go off-track.
We have the flexibility to make our own destiny with very little interference. Something you obviously lack the capability to grasp.
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prangster
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Posted - 2005.05.09 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: prangster on 09/05/2005 19:09:59 bloody hell, is there a way you can set your defaul forum character? This is pringprang of CoRM: ASCN.
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Krapz
Yes, most of our corporations are former XF. Truely shocking, omg. Probably because we built our alliance out of the best of who we thought of as friends, based upon new ideals, and new government structure, and with new goals.
Well lets just wait and see until next time the **** hits the fan how your 'friends' rally around you.
The group of friends that makes up ASCN is in this alliance because they have proven that they will rally together to defend their space. AF corps are 0.0 based and enjoy it that way. When the **** hits the fan we'll put down our mining lasers and pull the guns back out and we'll know for sure that our friends will all be there beside us. That's the entire point of ASCN right there.
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Gilette
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Posted - 2005.05.09 19:25:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Gilette on 09/05/2005 19:32:09
Originally by: Krapz Edited by: Krapz on 09/05/2005 18:31:05 Edited by: Krapz on 09/05/2005 18:28:24 Edited by: Krapz on 09/05/2005 18:27:27
Originally by: Astruma Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 18:05:22
Originally by: Krapz
You don't matter.
And nor does any one but CLS / DDC matter in your dictated to 'alliance'
ffs, why did you leave XF? Your words are like an annoying buzzing sound in my head that won't go away. You must have been someone important in XF, because you certainly have the traits down. You complain about something of which you know very little of. You post with an alt, for fear of retribution on your main. And finally, once you make it clear how little you know on the subject, you don't let it go, and continue to embarass yourself...
It rings of all the bureaucratic nonsense that everyone had to put up with. comlain, complain, complain.
just...
buzzzzzzzzzz
But you have no point m8, just complaints of something you are not a part of, and therefor, do not truely understand how it works.
so...
NO!!
You can't be in our cool little secret society. You can't have our special secret decoder rings. No one wants to be your friend. STFU, go back to your corner of the playground, and eat your ice-cream all by yourself. kthx.
We are not teh ebil rulaaz. We have just simplified the management chain. We don't need to vote on everything. We don't need a comittee of diplomats. We don't need everyone's input to make logical conclusions. We have some of the best leaders in the game. Everyone is content to let them do their thing. We know it works, because every corp in our alliance has been very successful to date, and they all know what their jobs are in the future.
Quit it with all this equality stuff. Not everyone is equal. The quicker you learn that, the better off you'll be. Some people are just bigger and stronger than you. It doesn't make it right, but it does make them bigger and stronger than you, regardless. CLS and DDC are now bigger and stronger BECAUSE of our partnerships with our ASCN corporations, but we also took the initiative to make this happen. We are accountable to our alliance, just like a board of directors is accountable to their stockholders. Or like an officer is in charge of it's troops. We all make it work together, it's not a dictatorship, but it can be if things go off-track.
We have the flexibility to make our own destiny with very little interference. Something you obviously lack the capability to grasp.
Krapz....you have a bloody hilarious name. You seem to be very good spewing it!!!!!
Let me sum up what you said in as few words as you should have...."We are not a dictatorship, but we really are"
OMGWTF U WETODD!
Get over yourself. Hail Krapz and and all that Jazz. Now go round up what's left of Xetic and send them off to Amarrian Slave camps and brainwash them into thinking that they will work for you, but only YOU get the credit......which sadly is the way it has always been. |
Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 19:39:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Krapz
ffs... for fear of retribution.... bureaucratic nonsense.... just... buzzzzzzzzzz
blah blah blah
My, my - your a sharp-tongued and sensitive bunch. If only you showed such spirit on the battlefield you wouldn't have been so humiliated.
Well I hope you enjoy whileing away the hours in your joint mining efforts. I will say no more on the issue - can't have you busting a blood vessel now
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.09 19:50:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Krapz on 09/05/2005 19:54:44
Originally by: Astruma Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 10:37:57 Edited by: Astruma on 09/05/2005 10:32:02
Originally by: Crohnx
Primary : veldspar! Secondary : veldspar! Damn guys they keep resisting us, we need barge fleet next time!
Kills points : 49,494 Loss points : 60,404 Total points : -10,910
Stick to the Veldspar and politics it's what you do best. I guess the call of the roids is too strong in you, hence you NAP with your old enemies and your s***ing on your previous alliance. But hey, Weebear can spell so at least you have some respect left.
I just wanted to apologize, you were right. I checked it, I was wrong... CrohnX really isn't very good at PvP... now, those #'s probably aren't EXACT, but I'm sure you can get the idea of how much he sucks...
You two really are a sad couple of alts.
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.09 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Krapz
blah blah blah
Those kills are for CLS as whole. I never said nor implied Crohnx sucks at PvP. But since you can't leave it alone either...
You suck.
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Zerodragoon
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Posted - 2005.05.09 20:08:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Krapz
blah blah blah
Those kills are for CLS as whole. I never said nor implied Crohnx sucks at PvP. But since you can't leave it alone either...
You suck.
Since you can't post with your main.....
You suck. -------
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.05.09 20:14:00 -
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um i dont want to be part of the club...but can i get a secret decoder ring? just for old times sake? That'd be pretty cool
Volt
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.05.09 20:15:00 -
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I see the usual glut of alts and CLS-haters have crept out of the woodwork to despoil yet another thread.
Mods, do your jobs and start handing out bans for trolling.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.05.09 20:36:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Joshua Calvert I see the usual glut of alts and CLS-haters have crept out of the woodwork to despoil yet another thread.
Mods, do your jobs and start handing out bans for trolling.
The best way is to e-mail [email protected] --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003. |
Saladin
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Posted - 2005.05.09 20:43:00 -
[72]
I really can't find anything i the charter to comment negatively on except the price gouging issue. As a capalist and enterprising person I kind of cringe at that notion. Modules and ships require a lot of low end materials. Mining them in 0.0 is not easy. Losing a bs or barge after mining 50,000 m3 of arkanor may be ok, but losing one after 50,000 m3 of veldspar is a disaster. Even if the minerals were hauled in, there is much more effort/danger than a 10% price hike would be justified.In my opinion if people are free to choose their prices they will make good money. Others will hear about the profits and join in. Competition will occur and prices will settle down to something fair.
Anyways, thats just my two cents on it. GL with your alliance. --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003. |
Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.05.09 21:03:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Krapz
blah blah blah
Those kills are for CLS as whole. I never said nor implied Crohnx sucks at PvP. But since you can't leave it alone either...
You suck.
If we suck so much, then you should have no reason to not tell us who your main character is. Obviously you must not fear reprisals since we are such the suxor. So grow a pair and tell us who you really are.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.05.09 21:42:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Saladin I really can't find anything i the charter to comment negatively on except the price gouging issue. As a capalist and enterprising person I kind of cringe at that notion. Modules and ships require a lot of low end materials. Mining them in 0.0 is not easy. Losing a bs or barge after mining 50,000 m3 of arkanor may be ok, but losing one after 50,000 m3 of veldspar is a disaster. Even if the minerals were hauled in, there is much more effort/danger than a 10% price hike would be justified.In my opinion if people are free to choose their prices they will make good money. Others will hear about the profits and join in. Competition will occur and prices will settle down to something fair.
Anyways, thats just my two cents on it. GL with your alliance.
That's more of a guideline than a strict rule. Markup is perfectly fine. We just don't want people to charge 120mil for a Typhoon or 20mil for a BB. I think everyone will agree that those are quite extreme prices, and were frequently what many in XF charged their fellow alliance mates when we left.
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Konietzko
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Posted - 2005.05.09 22:06:00 -
[75]
I like your website. Hope you all enjoy the new alliance.
--- Konietzko [botox bandits]
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.09 22:56:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Saladin I really can't find anything i the charter to comment negatively on except the price gouging issue. As a capalist and enterprising person I kind of cringe at that notion. Modules and ships require a lot of low end materials. Mining them in 0.0 is not easy. Losing a bs or barge after mining 50,000 m3 of arkanor may be ok, but losing one after 50,000 m3 of veldspar is a disaster. Even if the minerals were hauled in, there is much more effort/danger than a 10% price hike would be justified.In my opinion if people are free to choose their prices they will make good money. Others will hear about the profits and join in. Competition will occur and prices will settle down to something fair.
Anyways, thats just my two cents on it. GL with your alliance.
If there were neutral parties involved, then I'd probably say make as much isk as you can. But the intention is to have a functional market that all of us can contribute to, and enjoy. Obviously, there is no reason to try and gouge fellow alliance mates for isk. As I stated internally, empire is where money is made, not 0.0 space.
The low end minerals will always be an issue, but the desire for that should not trump the desire to work together. At some point, I'm sure all rat loot and low ends mins will be a precious commodity, but we've always known that to be the case in .0 space. However, you must realize, that .0 space is earned by hard work and big guns, not by mining lasers. So to even have the capability to create a functional market in deep space will be a true test in itself, but one I'm sure we're willing to at least try.
I'm sure with teamwork, the other stuff will seem like smaller issues.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.05.09 23:19:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Krapz
Originally by: Saladin I really can't find anything i the charter to comment negatively on except the price gouging issue. As a capalist and enterprising person I kind of cringe at that notion. Modules and ships require a lot of low end materials. Mining them in 0.0 is not easy. Losing a bs or barge after mining 50,000 m3 of arkanor may be ok, but losing one after 50,000 m3 of veldspar is a disaster. Even if the minerals were hauled in, there is much more effort/danger than a 10% price hike would be justified.In my opinion if people are free to choose their prices they will make good money. Others will hear about the profits and join in. Competition will occur and prices will settle down to something fair.
Anyways, thats just my two cents on it. GL with your alliance.
If there were neutral parties involved, then I'd probably say make as much isk as you can. But the intention is to have a functional market that all of us can contribute to, and enjoy. Obviously, there is no reason to try and gouge fellow alliance mates for isk. As I stated internally, empire is where money is made, not 0.0 space.
The low end minerals will always be an issue, but the desire for that should not trump the desire to work together. At some point, I'm sure all rat loot and low ends mins will be a precious commodity, but we've always known that to be the case in .0 space. However, you must realize, that .0 space is earned by hard work and big guns, not by mining lasers. So to even have the capability to create a functional market in deep space will be a true test in itself, but one I'm sure we're willing to at least try.
I'm sure with teamwork, the other stuff will seem like smaller issues.
Why not outsource the market building thing then? You can sell exclusive rights to sell items in your stations. This sole provider would pay handsomely for this privalege, and if at the end of the contract period you guys are unhappy with their prices, boot em. If the sole provider cant make a profit, he can leave.
Just an idea. Defense and all that comes first, but I always was interested in coming up with different ways to make a 0.0 market a reality --------------------------- (c) Copyright Saladin, 2005. Any editing of this post by a third party will be in violation United States Internet Copyright law 46525 of 2003. |
Gilette
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Posted - 2005.05.10 00:21:00 -
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If you couldn't get that in Xetic.....teh alliance of carebears, what makes you think you will get it now.
Yet another, not so well thought out post by the Krapz spewer himself.
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.05.10 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Gilette If you couldn't get that in Xetic.....teh alliance of carebears, what makes you think you will get it now.
Yet another, not so well thought out post by the Krapz spewer himself.
Disclaimer: This is not trolling as I am pointing out a FACT not an ITNENTIONAL FALICY TO INCITE RAGE!!!!!
Still waiting to hear who your main is since we suck so much.... or are you such a coward you're afraid of people you openly declare suck at pvp?
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.05.10 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gilette If you couldn't get that in Xetic.....teh alliance of carebears, what makes you think you will get it now.
Yet another, not so well thought out post by the Krapz spewer himself.
Disclaimer: This is not trolling as I am pointing out a FACT not an ITNENTIONAL FALICY TO INCITE RAGE!!!!!
Do you not know how to read?
They stated they did get items on the market from xetic but they were insanely priced. Christ if your gonna flame and use your alt at least make some kinda factual post.
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Eleese
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Posted - 2005.05.10 02:23:00 -
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Im tad confused why it matters what other people give a **** about the charter. Its pretty simple people can read this long before they apply or ask to join.... dont like it dont apply.
The people is ASCN obviously dont mind it so why should you whiners care about it?
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Gilette
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Posted - 2005.05.10 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: Gilette on 10/05/2005 02:58:54 ] #1) It's not flaming when you point out the fact that a statement is flawed. He stated that they could make a viable market with a bunch of PvP corps, when it was proven that it couldn't even be done by an industrial alliance. The insane prices that you so eloquently pointed out are the FACTS!!!! So yeah....it was a FACTUAL post!
#2) In no way does that statement say that CLS/DDC suck at PvP, it says that their theory on a viable market does. I don't claim they can't fight, nor do i claim that I can. I've been playing for 4 months.
#3) The alliance that I am in does not allow posting on Eve-O, so therefore I am using this method. It's not for fear of being omgwtfpwnd by you or anyone else other than my own alliance.
So have a nice day....and I'm glad to see all the self proclaimed pirates and mercs (who are pirates as well) stepping up to defend their new brothers. It's indeed a great day to se honor amongst thieves.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.05.10 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gilette
#3) The alliance that I am in does not allow posting on Eve-O, so therefore I am using this method. It's not for fear of being omgwtfpwnd by you or anyone else other than my own alliance.
So have a nice day....and I'm glad to see all the self proclaimed pirates and mercs (who are pirates as well) stepping up to defend their new brothers. It's indeed a great day to se honor amongst thieves.
P.S.
Thanks for the expanders then I guess? ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
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Adhamhnon
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Posted - 2005.05.10 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gilette
#3) The alliance that I am in does not allow posting on Eve-O, so therefore I am using this method. It's not for fear of being omgwtfpwnd by you or anyone else other than my own alliance.
Wow, it's so cool that your alliance is so great that you have to circumvent your own rules to spew garbage at someone else's.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.10 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gilette Edited by: Gilette on 10/05/2005 02:58:54 ] #1) It's not flaming when you point out the fact that a statement is flawed. He stated that they could make a viable market with a bunch of PvP corps, when it was proven that it couldn't even be done by an industrial alliance. The insane prices that you so eloquently pointed out are the FACTS!!!! So yeah....it was a FACTUAL post!
Wrong, I said ASCN would make a market, not "PvP corps." We have PvP corps, but are not 100% PvP. I love to mine.
Originally by: Gilette
#2) In no way does that statement say that CLS/DDC suck at PvP, it says that their theory on a viable market does. I don't claim they can't fight, nor do i claim that I can. I've been playing for 4 months.
I'll let this slide. I know we suck at PvP.
Originally by: Gilette #3) The alliance that I am in does not allow posting on Eve-O, so therefore I am using this method.
At least your a quasi-honorable rule breaking hellraiser.
Originally by: Gilette It's not for fear of being omgwtfpwnd by you or anyone else other than my own alliance.
You'd know for sure if you posted with your main.
Originally by: Gilette So have a nice day....and I'm glad to see all the self proclaimed pirates and mercs (who are pirates as well) stepping up to defend their new brothers. It's indeed a great day to se honor amongst thieves.
This is probably your best quote yet, but I'll let you figure out why... roofles. Thx for the laugh though. YarRR, those ebil MC ppls!
Originally by: Gilette P.S.
kk, hold on. That is entirely too many lolocopter men. Pls remove a few, as your over the quota, and we here in the local Forum Whoring Union (Local #127) really discourage this sorta thing. It makes the other Union guys here a bit uneasy. You have to have to be qualified to use this many emoticons in one post, and at 4 months, you're just not ready for this sorta thing.
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TheUnkown
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Posted - 2005.05.10 05:46:00 -
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Edited by: TheUnkown on 10/05/2005 05:47:32 it would seem to me that all these alts must fear us something decent...cuz they seem scared to post with there mains .....
I know i understand its ok silly silly alts..i know u hav nightmares at night about what we would do to ya...its ok..its all good we just a peaceful alliance..we wouldnt dare shooting a thing but veld with miner IIs
* goes back to drink teh achol(or whatever..to drunk )
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.05.10 06:05:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 10/05/2005 06:05:55
Blah, blah, blah... All this chattering is very nice, but Cyvok promised me a secret decoder ring of my very own and I wants it!!!
Disclaimer: There are no BDCI spies in CLS or ASCN...
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Weebear
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Posted - 2005.05.10 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Weebear on 10/05/2005 07:32:03
Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 10/05/2005 06:05:55
Blah, blah, blah... All this chattering is very nice, but Cyvok promised me a secret decoder ring of my very own and I wants it!!!
You need to collect 6 tokens from packets of ready-alts, and send them along with 5 million ISK P&P to Weebear at :-
Secret Decoder Ring Offer PO BOX 1337 Yulai X DED
Delivery is 4-6 weeks ----------------------- Honor and Serve!
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.10 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: prangster they have proven that they will rally together to defend their space
If this proof in rallying around is the loss of three regions, humiliating defeats in empire, surrendering to and NAPing with the [5] and the Coalition, theft of ore and ISK then I highly recommend you do not persue a career in law. The tint on your rose colored spectacles won't last forever.
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prangster
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Posted - 2005.05.10 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Weebear Edited by: Weebear on 10/05/2005 07:32:03
Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 10/05/2005 06:05:55
Blah, blah, blah... All this chattering is very nice, but Cyvok promised me a secret decoder ring of my very own and I wants it!!!
You need to collect 6 tokens from packets of ready-alts, and send them along with 5 million ISK P&P to Weebear at :-
Secret Decoder Ring Offer PO BOX 1337 Yulai X DED
Delivery is 4-6 weeks
Awww man. I think i'm going to wait until they offer this with boxes of Veldy-o's cause I hate ready-alts
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Loka
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Posted - 2005.05.10 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gilette
#3) The alliance that I am in does not allow posting on Eve-O, so therefore I am using this method. It's not for fear of being omgwtfpwnd by you or anyone else other than my own alliance.
I would suggest you leave Fountain Alliance and start having some fun in a game you are paying for, Sir. _____________________________________ Dead or Alive
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Astruma
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Posted - 2005.05.10 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: prangster I think i'm going to wait until they offer this with boxes of Veldy-o's cause I hate ready-alts
I've heard they have been dropping like crazy in your loot cans, why wait 4-6 weeks for a Xetic v1.1 delivery (more like 4-6 months at inflated prices). Shoot enough of you and you'll just roll over and do whatever anyone wants anyway. Screw decoder rings.
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Weebear
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Posted - 2005.05.10 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: prangster they have proven that they will rally together to defend their space
If this proof in rallying around is the loss of three regions, humiliating defeats in empire, surrendering to and NAPing with the [5] and the Coalition, theft of ore and ISK then I highly recommend you do not persue a career in law. The tint on your rose colored spectacles won't last forever.
Do you even play Eve or do you just dream it? ----------------------- Honor and Serve!
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Riddari
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Posted - 2005.05.10 10:42:00 -
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Just ignore the alt
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.10 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari Just ignore the alt
Agreed Riddari. He obviously is half informed at best.
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Gilette
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Posted - 2005.05.10 15:07:00 -
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All "flaming" aside......Good luck to AF......and good luck to all those who live in the south. Eve has truly become a more fun place to live. See you on the battlefield, on the markets an in the trade channels.
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Estios
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Posted - 2005.05.10 15:22:00 -
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Can someone in Xetic loan me an Alt so I can flame this thread too ??
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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FireFox McProwler
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Posted - 2005.05.10 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: Krapz
blah blah blah
Those kills are for CLS as whole. I never said nor implied Crohnx sucks at PvP. But since you can't leave it alone either...
You suck.
Why dont ya come and and show us how its done them? Honistly stop the pretentious e-peinus strocking on the forums plez kthx.
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.10 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Estios Can someone in Xetic loan me an Alt so I can flame this thread too ??
E, I dont think Xetic has been on this thread.
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Calanen
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Posted - 2005.05.10 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kerosene I can understand a dictator alliance and how it might work, however when everyone is equal by the fact they all pay the same amount every month to play eve, it's going to be difficult to dictate a lot of people.
They can use their freedom and equality to be in another place then. People may be all 'equal', but they can be equal, far away from me, and someone else's problem.
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Shimatu
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Posted - 2005.05.10 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: 0Virtu0 Edited by: 0Virtu0 on 08/05/2005 04:58:51
Quote:
CLS & DDC reserves the right to kick out any Corp that is part of the ASCN at any time. This includes Corps not in the IGA.
So basically Celestial Horizons and Dirty Deeds are the dictator corporations of the alliance and treat other corporations as lower entities?
Good luck with your alliance anyway. "Beware the Ides of March, Caesar."
thats what they've been saying *all along*. pretty much the very first post on the topic said that they had the final say in all matters.
(sorry if this has been said, dont have time to read the whole thread right now :P)
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Noob Esquire
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Posted - 2005.05.10 22:54:00 -
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I see Xetic IGA has 1400 ppl now. So, by my calculations that leaves One X-trader and his alts.
Yes, X-Traders are theones who made the XF voting policy be based on the number of ppl in each corp on paper, thus making it BLOATED wit alts.
I wonder why it fell? Alts+carebears not a winning combination.
Btw, see what happens when you dont have Atuk/SE helping out? Enjoy your empire afterlife losers.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.05.10 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Noob Esquire I see Xetic IGA has 1400 ppl now. So, by my calculations that leaves One X-trader and his alts.
Yes, X-Traders are theones who made the XF voting policy be based on the number of ppl in each corp on paper, thus making it BLOATED wit alts.
I wonder why it fell? Alts+carebears not a winning combination.
Btw, see what happens when you dont have Atuk/SE helping out? Enjoy your empire afterlife losers.
And this has what to do with AF?
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MeanWoobie
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Posted - 2005.05.11 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Noob Esquire I see Xetic IGA has 1400 ppl now. So, by my calculations that leaves One X-trader and his alts.
Yes, X-Traders are theones who made the XF voting policy be based on the number of ppl in each corp on paper, thus making it BLOATED wit alts.
I wonder why it fell? Alts+carebears not a winning combination.
Btw, see what happens when you dont have Atuk/SE helping out? Enjoy your empire afterlife losers.
And this has what to do with AF?
Noob was feeling left out. And he's so used to slamming Xetic he doesn't know what to do with himself now.
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Hydroponica
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Posted - 2005.05.11 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Astruma
Originally by: prangster they have proven that they will rally together to defend their space
If this proof in rallying around is the loss of three regions, humiliating defeats in empire, surrendering to and NAPing with the [5] and the Coalition, theft of ore and ISK then I highly recommend you do not persue a career in law. The tint on your rose colored spectacles won't last forever.
What the 5 fingers say to the face? SLAP!! Get back in your hole til you grow some balls. ***********************************
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Krapz
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Posted - 2005.05.12 03:28:00 -
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This thread is dead. Quit reviving it pls.
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