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SlightlyMad
Inhonestae vitae mulier
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Posted - 2012.12.05 21:45:00 -
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You
R.I.P
Pve |
hehehehehe Chancel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.05 22:53:00 -
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Missioning will be dearly missed. |
Akuma Tsukai
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.05 23:42:00 -
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hehe yeah :) It was the most devious coup de grace i ever saw i my life :) Good thing they havent changed WHs i can stil make some iskies for all the ships i loose. |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:36:00 -
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eve is dying
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:42:00 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:eve is dying
LOL Daniel you shouldn't worry, you didnt have plans after the Mayan callander ends anyways, right?
Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:48:00 -
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Akuma Tsukai wrote:hehe yeah :) It was the most devious coup de grace i ever saw i my life :) Good thing they havent changed WHs i can stil make some iskies for all the ships i loose.
I hear loctite is pretty effective. |
Speedy 11
Corporation 11
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Posted - 2012.12.06 13:11:00 -
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I-¦ts time to say good bye EVE
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or the CCP changes the AI |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.06 13:16:00 -
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Speedy 11 wrote:I-¦ts time to say good bye EVE
or
or the CCP changes the AI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl9WMIPzd6w
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Speedy 11
Corporation 11
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Posted - 2012.12.06 13:19:00 -
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exactly !!! |
Sandy Claws
Scissorhands Incorperated
Imperial Protectorate
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Posted - 2012.12.06 23:15:00 -
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Yep this NPC AI change killed PvE.
In Vengeance mission , you warp in all the Rats aggro you and they are less than 20 km away some 30 ships.
Impossible to tank solo, lucky I got my Apoc Navy out.
Its pretty sad this changes totally ruined solo PvE not good at all ....
Really bad change this is. |
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.07 00:39:00 -
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if only there were hundreds of other missions, not only WC and vengeance....
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.12.07 01:09:00 -
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omnomnom tears!!!
on topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
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M'yara Taredi
Potato Farmers LTD
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Posted - 2012.12.07 05:16:00 -
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Sandy Claws wrote:Yep this NPC AI change killed PvE.
In Vengeance mission , you warp in all the Rats aggro you and they are less than 20 km away some 30 ships.
Impossible to tank solo, lucky I got my Apoc Navy out.
Its pretty sad this changes totally ruined solo PvE not good at all ....
Really bad change this is.
Man, too bad you cant run missions in fleets. |
Nicolai Xperte
No Fracks Givin Inc
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Posted - 2012.12.07 07:07:00 -
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I don't know how you guys did Vengenance w/o pulling whole pocket that's the best way to do it, until now all drones go *poof* and poor CNR can't kill the scram frigs.
I don't always bring out my Absolution.
But when I do it makes the Blue's rage, lol. |
Thomas Gore
Universal Freelance
CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.12.07 07:16:00 -
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M'yara Taredi wrote:Sandy Claws wrote:Yep this NPC AI change killed PvE.
In Vengeance mission , you warp in all the Rats aggro you and they are less than 20 km away some 30 ships.
Impossible to tank solo, lucky I got my Apoc Navy out.
Its pretty sad this changes totally ruined solo PvE not good at all ....
Really bad change this is. Man, too bad you cant run missions in fleets.
What's the point in running missions with crappy rewards in fleets, when you can take that fleet and do Incursions for much greater rewards?
Missions were supposed to be soloable and the rewards are adjusted for that. They just aren't worth the trouble to put together a fleet.
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Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.07 10:56:00 -
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Sandy Claws wrote:Yep this NPC AI change killed PvE.
In Vengeance mission , you warp in all the Rats aggro you and they are less than 20 km away some 30 ships.
Impossible to tank solo, lucky I got my Apoc Navy out.
Its pretty sad this changes totally ruined solo PvE not good at all ....
Really bad change this is.
I agree.
CCP should make mission npc AI the way it was before, because this is just impossible to do now. |
Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.07 14:50:00 -
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hehehehehe Chancel wrote:Missioning will be clearly not missed.
fixed your typo |
Mr Pragmatic
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Posted - 2012.12.07 15:01:00 -
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Working as intended.
The whiny bitter vocal minority got their way.
Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) - "What are your modules like?"
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.12.07 18:19:00 -
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Sandy Claws wrote:Yep this NPC AI change killed PvE.
In Vengeance mission , you warp in all the Rats aggro you and they are less than 20 km away some 30 ships.
Impossible to tank solo, lucky I got my Apoc Navy out.
Its pretty sad this changes totally ruined solo PvE not good at all ....
Really bad change this is.
If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. As soon as the reps land ALL agro switches to the logi and they go pop. It is not possible to tank a logi enough to survive and rep in any mission where they are actually needed. only option now is to spider tank BS's. Logi are useless now in missions. it makes no sense as this A.I. is supposed to be based on the same A.I. as sleepers and incursions, but you don't have this problem in incursions. |
Ikshuki
Lockheed Martin Systems
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Posted - 2012.12.08 07:15:00 -
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So, let's get this straight, they nerfed mission loot to the point where the salvaging career vhas been deemed obsolete, they increase damage done by mission rats, which that part needed to be done, L4s shouldn't be so easy to omni tank, then they now have it where if you're a droneboat your pirate and faction drone Battleship is now useless in L4s, because apparently as soon as you attack an npc for 1 second they change aggro to the drones, now you have high risk to just attack any mission rat since you now aggro the whole room no matter what you attack, wtf ccp? maybe we should have another look at the expansion's name in a new perspective, because this is definitely someone's hate and revenge on both missions and drone boats altogether, why would a noob go from noob ship to straight to 10 man fleets in incursions that mostly happens in null and low sec, where noobs are A broke, and B not skilled enough. this is a war they just started, this is officially a new incarna |
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Ealric Sorden
Legio Decimus Inc
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Posted - 2012.12.08 08:21:00 -
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The full room aggro appears to be a completely unintended consequence of the AI changes. It actually doesn't bother me except for the missions where you're sensor damped 6x or more at once. Annoying, but still doable even then, at least in some setups. Still, I'm pretty sure we'll see this "change" be fixed. The question is how long.
As for drone boats, I'm still doing fine solo'ing with mine (Dominix) in L4's solo. I think the AI still needs some work and some changes for balance, but the missions are easily doable for me. I'm just T2 fitted with good drone skills - no faction modules or ships. I've lost one T2 light drone (my own fault, it was mostly dead when I sent it out since I forgot to repair) in about 15 missions. Those missions included Vengeance, Blockade, Angel Extravaganza, etc - plenty of full aggro on warp in, too.
I'm just not having all the problems others seem to be. And I'm certainly nothing special - more a casual player than anything else.
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Forum Harlot
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.08 19:40:00 -
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So, what have happened? Did they just make all NPCs aggro? I've always just pulled full room aggro. |
Zwo Zateki
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.09 14:40:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Sandy Claws wrote:Yep this NPC AI change killed PvE.
In Vengeance mission , you warp in all the Rats aggro you and they are less than 20 km away some 30 ships.
Impossible to tank solo, lucky I got my Apoc Navy out.
Its pretty sad this changes totally ruined solo PvE not good at all ....
Really bad change this is. If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. As soon as the reps land ALL agro switches to the logi and they go pop. It is not possible to tank a logi enough to survive and rep in any mission where they are actually needed. only option now is to spider tank BS's. Logi are useless now in missions. it makes no sense as this A.I. is supposed to be based on the same A.I. as sleepers and incursions, but you don't have this problem in incursions.
Actually, it's the same in incursions. Logis pull Sansha's aggro quite often. Ofc incursions are done w/ >1 logi but that's another thing.
And yes, there's zero sense in fleeting for missions. Fleets = incursions, high class WH; solo = missions, low class WH |
Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.09 22:06:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. .
Try it in a fleet with two logi.
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Gabriel Santagalos
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.12.09 22:32:00 -
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Josefine Etrange wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. .
Try it in a fleet with two logi.
Why not with 10+ ships? Really...L4 missions shouldnt require a whole fleet, and for the most part still dont. Unless you get that "whole room aggro" bug in a mission where you cant avoid it by flying away and shooting from afar, like Vengeance level 4. And the NPC Ewar is patently ridicolous now. |
Josefine Etrange
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.09 22:37:00 -
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Gabriel Santagalos wrote:Josefine Etrange wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
If you think it ruined solo PVE, try running missions in a fleet with a logi. .
Try it in a fleet with two logi. Why not with 10+ ships? Really...L4 missions shouldnt require a whole fleet, and for the most part still dont. Unless you get that "whole room aggro" bug in a mission where you cant avoid it by flying away and shooting from afar, like Vengeance level 4. And the NPC Ewar is patently ridicolous now.
L4 Missions doing in fleet was always an easy option for new players. It is still. Why a veteran would use a single logistic in a l4 is beyond me. It was before retribution dumb and it is still dumb. |
Kietay Ayari
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.10 07:56:00 -
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Is this real? o_o There are people playing EVE who are now complaining Level 4 missions are too hard? Hoooooly moly macaroly! This is insano x 10. You realize you are fighting AI in one of the easiest PvE games in the entire universe here right! Though judging by the fact that earlier today I read about someone using a Raven with 5 cruise launchers and two... rockets, I guess I cant be that surprised that you people are dying to robots :c
For all you super PvE turtles who want to be able to afk and do missions fast. Medium shield booster Tengu. You can get it cap stable if you want and you will never ever die while putting out over 700 DPS at what ever the new nerfed range is. It is literally impossible to die even if you are webbed. A medium shield booster Tengu can tank anything~ highsec will throw at you.
Now if you want some double fun, do them in a Ferox!
Ferox #1 |
Archa4 Badasaz
Viziam
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.10 08:14:00 -
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Kietay Ayari wrote:Is this real? o_o There are people playing EVE who are now complaining Level 4 missions are too hard? Hoooooly moly macaroly! This is insano x 10. You realize you are fighting AI in one of the easiest PvE games in the entire universe here right! Though judging by the fact that earlier today I read about someone using a Raven with 5 cruise launchers and two... rockets, I guess I cant be that surprised that you people are dying to robots :c
For all you super PvE turtles who want to be able to afk and do missions fast. Medium shield booster Tengu. You can get it cap stable if you want and you will never ever die while putting out over 700 DPS at what ever the new nerfed range is. It is literally impossible to die even if you are webbed. A medium shield booster Tengu can tank anything~ highsec will throw at you.
Now if you want some double fun, do them in a Ferox!
I'd like to see you pull this off with the full room insta aggro. You get webbed and scrammed and your nice, speed tanked, tengu goes bb. |
Corben Arctus
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.12.10 11:28:00 -
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The problem is, I used L4 missions to finance my pvp (whenever there's no incursion fleet up or I'm too lazy/scared to go into my wormhole).
It was an easy thing you could do solo and make some isk when you had nothing better to do. L4 shouldn't require fleets, that's what L5s are for.
Please CCP, fix it already.
I know this must be real funny for you nullbears, you can go rat in belts or run anoms and make good isk/hour when you're bored or need money. But I don't live in null. I know, I'm weird. WEEEEIRD! |
MEZZA Creire-Geng
Free Utopia Collective Enlightened Minds
Paradoxium
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Posted - 2012.12.10 14:15:00 -
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Ikshuki wrote:..... where noobs are A broke, and B not skilled enough. this is a war they just started, this is officially a new incarna, in my book an mmo that kills PvE is a dead mmo no matter how you design it, pve is a wealth generator so you can afford to pvp in null
i agree with this ^ |
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