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SpaceAmarr
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Posted - 2005.05.10 12:43:00 -
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This is a negative post.
This is my second negative post in a matter of weeks. There is a reason for my negativity and the reason is this game is starting to Peeeeeeeeeee me off. I have listed below several points of concern:
1. I started as Caldari about 6 month ago and now i have no bs to fly due to ccp nerfs on both Caldari BS wtf! So ive wasted over 6 month training an obsolete race. I want my money back.
2. I thought I was getting to a point where skillwise the game was opening up to me, but the recent nerfs have added about 6months extra training onto my character before i reach the same level I am at now. FFS.
3. All the changes being made by ccp and they havnt even got a stable application yet, imo. Maybe work on defects for a bit rarther than add more defects. Why is ccp so determined to fix things that arent broke (EW & RAVENS); yet ctds, server restarts and being stuck dont seem to be a concern.
4. A part of Gameplay is about reaching goals and recieving rewards for reaching those goals. EVE makes you pursue a goal only to find out that the reward wasnt worth it. An example is the Guritas Extravaganza, u do the bonus level and u find a "additional Thermal" woot, another example is you get 600k lps and dont get an offer.
Basically, by time the missile nerf comes out I wont be able to play this game as I am now? Why should I work towards something for all this time, only to find out that its all wasted becasue of the whims of miners and forum moderators.
This game is starting to suck real bad. I know Im not the only one as everyone i talk to has the same opinions (apart form the people who will gain an advantage form the changes). The frustartion levels are increasing for all players.
I know this post will get blocked or moved becasue that is the level of ignorance being applied these days.
If anyone can counter-argue the four points listed I would appreciate your comments, however I expect a lot of ignoarnt people to post nothing but childish trash below this.
Is wasting 6 month actually a valid part of this game?
You can only play this game if you started at 3 years ago and you have at least 25m sp?
Is the level of functionality acceptable to people?
Why should I play this game where is my reward?
BTW my subscription is due so there might be at least one less noob for you leet people to shoot at.
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.05.10 12:46:00 -
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 Originally by: SpaceAmarr
Why is ccp so determined to fix things that arent broke (EW & RAVENS); yet ctds, server restarts and being stuck dont seem to be a concern.
This is the one piece of this post i agree with.
The rest, frankly i couldn't give a toss about.
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Hella May
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Posted - 2005.05.10 12:47:00 -
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Every battleship has been nerfed over the years.
I remember when the Tempest was king. They nerfed it.
I remember when the Apoc was king, they nerfed it.
I remember when the Raven was king....
Simple answer: get used to it. Every one else has.
Caldari use hybrids, missles and shields. Move to gallente which use hybrids and missles. Shields are good for all.
Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
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Kin Hanyerec
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Posted - 2005.05.10 12:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kin Hanyerec on 10/05/2005 12:57:44
Quote:
1. I started as Caldari about 6 month ago and now i have no bs to fly due to ccp nerfs on both Caldari BS wtf! So ive wasted over 6 month training an obsolete race. I want my money back.
Caldari ships aren't useless. All frig pilots will think twice before engaging one. And personally i prefer when there's one in my gang 
edit : and redoing another char is the worst mistake you could do... if you want to fly amarr just train amarr skills on your caldari one, you won't have to (re)train all the skills the 2 races have in common like engineering, electronics, and navigation skills
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.05.10 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceAmarr
1. I started as Caldari about 6 month ago and now i have no bs to fly due to ccp nerfs on both Caldari BS wtf! So ive wasted over 6 month training an obsolete race. I want my money back.
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.05.10 12:57:00 -
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SpaceAmarr ..... Im really sad you feel that way..... hmmmm. .... Hmmzz
Actually nope... im not. Cry me a river
Your saying the raven wasn't "Broke" ... no your right it wasn't, it was overpowered against frigs/cepters. Now it isn't.... The Raven will still be an effective bs even after the nerf.
OMG you might actually have to put some thought into your setup.
Adapt... if you cant Quit
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Kane Ululani
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Posted - 2005.05.10 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceAmarr
The frustartion levels are increasing for all players.
Speak for yourself.
Originally by: SpaceAmarr
1. I started as Caldari about 6 month ago and now i have no bs to fly due to ccp nerfs on both Caldari BS wtf!
Suck it up.
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.05.10 12:59:00 -
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Dude you want a tissue. Or how about some cheese with that whine.
My Scorp still rocks, and I would actually consider it more versitile than it was before.
I have only gotten stuck twice and a GM had me out in less than 5 minutes both times.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.05.10 13:03:00 -
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Missle balance is not the same as a Raven nerf.
The Raven hasn't changed.
(I just got rid of mine  )
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Posted - 2005.05.10 13:04:00 -
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For a start the missile balanceing isnt finsihed yet and ohnoes to you
I have been playing over 12 months I trained gunnary instead which took well over 6 months to get where i am no so you having to train 6 months to get missiles in order sounds bang on to me...
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Babs Johnson
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Posted - 2005.05.10 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: Babs Johnson on 10/05/2005 13:08:35
Welcome to the wonderful world of the MMORPG. It's all about dashed hopes and unmet expectations.
This is my third MMORPG, and although it's my longest stint in one, CCP still suffers from the same irrational and disappointing nerf bat fetish that all MMORPG developers do.
You start playing a game with a set of features and you plan your gameplay according to that feature set, and then in the name of "balance" the devs lessen the effectiveness of that feature or add conditions which make your game plan more difficult/time consuming/tedious to put into effect. The few whiners whose whining brought about the nerf are satisified until they find something else to whine about, while the players who relied upon the feature set as it originally existed suffer frustration due to wasted time and effort.
Basically, it is easier to nerf an existing feature than to achieve balance by shoring up lesser features or creating new content. The devs take the easy way out, nerfing, leaving a watered down game and a generally dissatisfied customer base. It really makes no sense from a business standpoint, but it's the mentality suffered by all MMORPG developers in my experience.
SpaceAmarr, I'm really not sure why you ditched your original Caldari character and forfeited all that training time because Caldari battleships are to be nerfed. I am a Gallente who flies Amarrian ships. You could have been a Caldari who files Amarrian ships and still saved all those skills.
Anyway, if you like a game enough, you will adapt and persevere, and if the nerfs really get to you, just vote with your wallet and inactivate your account. I dare say, however, that you won't find another MMORPG not beaten by the nerf bat.
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Jacques Archambault
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Posted - 2005.05.10 13:11:00 -
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Please keep your responses friendly. 
As for training up spaceship command skills for a new race, it doesn't really take THAT long to be honest. Not 6 months time. Just fulfill the minimum requirements you need to be able to fly the next ship class up. Same goes for the weapons (and if you choose Gallente, you can make use of the large hybrid turret skill also).
Its the specialization (training BS lvl 5 for example) that takes time.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.05.10 13:13:00 -
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I'm a Raven Pilot.
THE reason I picked the Raven was that it had the easiest time dealing with small as well as large targets.
So, THE reason I picked the Raven is the target of the "nerf" part of the "adjustment" (although it must be said, it appears Missiles will also be getting a "buff" too, but not one that will help against small ships....).
I've been doing some half hearted research on which ship will be best to use for missions if the Raven is badly affected (Domi maybe.....), but mostly I've been working on Engineering / Electronics / Transport skills, because no matter which BS I use in the future, those will be useful.
But, having said all that, while I'll be sad if I can no longer do solo Level 4s as easily, I'll live and adapt. I don't "have to" fly an "uber BS" to play Eve. If I'm badly down on my luck, a Kestral can be a nice ship.
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Eletro Bull
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Posted - 2005.05.10 13:29:00 -
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This is part of the balancing process, and introduction of new ships.
As we all know: Life is PAIN, GET OVER IT!
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Kendar
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Posted - 2005.05.10 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceAmarr
This is a negative post.
This is my second negative post in a matter of weeks. There is a reason for my negativity and the reason is this game is starting to Peeeeeeeeeee me off. I have listed below several points of concern:
1. I started as Caldari about 6 month ago and now i have no bs to fly due to ccp nerfs on both Caldari BS wtf! So ive wasted over 6 month training an obsolete race. I want my money back.
2. I thought I was getting to a point where skillwise the game was opening up to me, but the recent nerfs have added about 6months extra training onto my character before i reach the same level I am at now. FFS.
3. All the changes being made by ccp and they havnt even got a stable application yet, imo. Maybe work on defects for a bit rarther than add more defects. Why is ccp so determined to fix things that arent broke (EW & RAVENS); yet ctds, server restarts and being stuck dont seem to be a concern.
4. A part of Gameplay is about reaching goals and recieving rewards for reaching those goals. EVE makes you pursue a goal only to find out that the reward wasnt worth it. An example is the Guritas Extravaganza, u do the bonus level and u find a "additional Thermal" woot, another example is you get 600k lps and dont get an offer.
Basically, by time the missile nerf comes out I wont be able to play this game as I am now? Why should I work towards something for all this time, only to find out that its all wasted becasue of the whims of miners and forum moderators.
This game is starting to suck real bad. I know Im not the only one as everyone i talk to has the same opinions (apart form the people who will gain an advantage form the changes). The frustartion levels are increasing for all players.
I know this post will get blocked or moved becasue that is the level of ignorance being applied these days.
If anyone can counter-argue the four points listed I would appreciate your comments, however I expect a lot of ignoarnt people to post nothing but childish trash below this.
Is wasting 6 month actually a valid part of this game?
You can only play this game if you started at 3 years ago and you have at least 25m sp?
Is the level of functionality acceptable to people?
Why should I play this game where is my reward?
BTW my subscription is due so there might be at least one less noob for you leet people to shoot at.
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Oosel
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Posted - 2005.05.10 14:06:00 -
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it may look like caldari is being nerfed but you will still have the edge when npc'ing the webbers that will no doubt be added in droves when they up them for lvl4 missions to make then unsoloable.....make sure you have a few tanking apoc buddies in future. caldari ships were the last ones to feal the nerf and as such you now know how the rest of us feel
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Inquisitor Nyxos
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Posted - 2005.05.10 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Inquisitor Nyxos on 10/05/2005 14:12:07
I trained this character to fly Amarr assault/interceptor frigs, in the meantime pulse nerfs kicked in. But since no skills is ever wasted I can easily give it some time to train for another racial frig or cruisers. Be flexible and bind yourself less to a single skill queue doctrine. It won't help because at least every two months something else gets nerfed or boosted.
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Khengis
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Posted - 2005.05.10 14:17:00 -
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I thought this whiny meaningless "I want the world on a silver platter" BS was limited to WoW. There is no "I Win" button in Eve. Move along please.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2005.05.10 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 10/05/2005 14:25:36
Originally by: Babs Johnson
Edited by: Babs Johnson on 10/05/2005 13:08:35
Welcome to the wonderful world of the MMORPG. It's all about dashed hopes and unmet expectations.
This is my third MMORPG, and although it's my longest stint in one, CCP still suffers from the same irrational and disappointing nerf bat fetish that all MMORPG developers do.
You start playing a game with a set of features and you plan your gameplay according to that feature set, and then in the name of "balance" the devs lessen the effectiveness of that feature or add conditions which make your game plan more difficult/time consuming/tedious to put into effect.
...
What you're saying pretty much sounds like "I've ****ed three women and none of them had an orgasm... Something must be wrong with women".
Maybe your '2 pump shot' mentality is the problem?
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SpaceAmarr
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Posted - 2005.05.10 14:30:00 -
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Thanks for the comments guys, even the childish ones i expected:-)
Hella: Battleship nersf are going in circles me thinks.
Kin: Ravens are useless with the guys im with, im lucky to get on the kill mails:-) You are right, I invested 8month in caldari why should i be forced to change race or skill set.
Joshua: Nice sense of humour:-)
Typerin: lol to be expected
Kane: Granted, teh frustration levels are increasing for the MAJORITY of players.
Demarcus: Obviously moderators boyfriend
Avon: lol anyoone want a kitted raven. mmm im not sure this is such a balnce, ravens already have disadvantages.
Babs:Thanks for comments. I'll probably keep playing as there isnt anything else like it, yet. Space Ammar is an alt, i still got the caldari main.
Jacques: Sorry dude, just want to have my say, perhaps it couldve been toned down. I will endevour to keep my posts free from aggressive text.
Sergeant: You mentioned some of the ravens benefits, but it does also have disadvantages. Solo lvl4s is my main earner too, while im not in the field. Guess we wil have to see if its a buff, in terms of once you have the skills trained you actually have more damage^^
Im trying to log in after a ctd:-)
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SpaceAmarr
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Posted - 2005.05.10 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: SpaceAmarr on 10/05/2005 14:36:14
Its there:-)
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Kane Ululani
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Posted - 2005.05.10 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceAmarr
Kane: Granted, teh frustration levels are increasing for the MAJORITY of players.
Unsupported claims weaken an argument.
Originally by: SpaceAmarr
...even the childish ones i expected:
What did you expect when you started by stamping your feet?
The missile changes are a prototype, not a final product. Stop hyperventilating.
If you want to make sure the changes are fair, help other players systematically test the current prototype settings and feed the numeric results to CCP.
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Senivyn
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Posted - 2005.05.10 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceAmarr
Solo lvl4s is my main earner too, while im not in the field. Guess we wil have to see if its a buff, in terms of once you have the skills trained you actually have more damage^^
I'm sorry, maybe I missed it, but where in the rules does it say that a player is guaranteed to be able to solo lvl 4 missions?
Just my two bits worth, if someone could clear this up for me it would be greatly appreciated.
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Wrok
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Posted - 2005.05.10 17:38:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
Adapt, it's fun. EVE isn't about grinding LP with a missile spamming BS so you can get the most iskies... You didn't waste 6 months, theres plenty of stuff you can do still, give it a shot, train up another race or something.
IIRC this isn't a missile nerf, it's a 'change' or something
But seriously... Can I have your stuff? 
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.05.10 17:50:00 -
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That's a shame. Now you know what Tempest pilots felt when they couldnt hit 1km/s+ frigs with 1400mm anymore.
Your _ber machine isnt king of the cheap skill investment anymore. Oh well.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.05.10 17:53:00 -
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To be honest, it's a missile buff, not nerf.
Missiles get to be useful in fleet combat and not wtfpwnIwinbutton smaller ships.
and you're complaing?
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Harry Saq
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Posted - 2005.05.10 18:05:00 -
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Spaceamarr,
All I have to say is that if you actually read the threads, people that absolutely hate each other (carebears, pvp'ers, thieves, griefers, Samuel L. Jackson, etc) pretty much ALL agree, that the EW /Missile changes were very much necessary and needed much sooner.
Maybe it is your perspective, I don't know, but the Caldari BS birds were not balanced, they were broken to the point of comical. I started in Gallante BSÆs, moved to Amarr, and then to Caldari, of the above races, the one I had to train the absolute least for to be a bad ass in was the Caldari birds.
I am not flaming you, I am just saying that since you are only a 6 month old character, perhaps you lack the perspective to truly appreciate just how broken they have been. I have both a Scorpion and a Raven and the names of them are HarryÆs Degeneracy Mk I & II.
Of all the ships I can fly, the only ones I feel safe in during times of war are the Caldari ones. I am not saying the other ships are junk; itÆs just to be effective in various situations they have to specialize to them, whereas the Raven is a one setup fits all scenarios, pretty much.
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Sanaen Eydanwadh
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Posted - 2005.05.10 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceAmarr
Is wasting 6 month actually a valid part of this game?
You can only play this game if you started at 3 years ago and you have at least 25m sp?
Did you work that hard during these months? didn't you enjoy anything, just expecting to get "rewards" when you would be woot-uber-meta-1337ed-skilled?
If yes, I'm sorry for you, but you should actually quit and try some other game
Oh eh - your stuff - bah, nevermind
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