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Korsavius Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 23	Posted - 2012.12.07 10:40:00 - [1] - Quote Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive For Immediate Public Dissemination In the relatively quiet hours of around 08:00 standard time, an I-RED/Ishukone Watch taskforce launched a surprise raid on an advanced Serpentis research installation hidden within the 98Q "superpocket" in Syndicate. The facility itself was rather small, the reason why pinpointing its location proved so difficult, but extremely well defended. The raid was originally scheduled to take place sometime in the relative future, but its execution was accelerated following the recent destruction of Rilnais. Furthermore, intel reports suggested the Serpentis were in the process of evacuating the facility in order to relocate deeper into Serpentis-controlled territory; thus, an immediate and prompt response was required. The original purpose of the raid was not only to continue in I-RED's ongoing campaign against Serpentis forces established in the Syndicate region, but to raid the facility and confiscate any illegal products and/or research done by Serpentis scientists. Overall, the raid proceeded rather flawlessly. Accurate intel reports and superb training of I-RED/Watch forces led to a strong execution with minimal losses. The surprised Serpentis forces were unable to provide strong reinforcements to defend the facility, and thus they wiped the facility's computers clean of any data or research before our forces could obtain it. Any illegal products were subsequently destroyed, but I-RED/Watch forces did succeed in confiscating some contraband goods that the Serpentis failed to eliminate in time. All Serpentis personnel who were not killed in the fight were arrested and transported back to the State for criminal processing and reevaluation. Of particular note, however, was the cargo retrieved from a heavily defended Serpentis transport that attempted to escape during the battle. The Serpentis forces seemed rather desperate to clear a path for the transport to escape, focusing all their firepower on the Watch frigates who were scrambling the ship's warpdrive. Noticing this, once the main Serpentis battalion was eliminated, the commander of the operation disabled the transport's systems and a boarding party was prepared. Once the transport was breached, a brief firefight ensued and Watch special forces secured the cargo the transport was ferrying - five tons of Isirus poppy (trace evidence reveals it is from the recent attack in Evaulon). The cargo was secured and currently remains in I-RED possession at this time. It is likely that the Isirus poppies recovered from the Serpentis transport were simply in storage at the research facility until they could be transported to Fountain, however, this is mere speculation. Interrogation reports will hopefully determine the purpose of the poppies at the research facility. If Combined Harvest wishes for the return of their product, I-RED will gladly comply. Simply have a representative contact Taisa Korsavius, and an arrangement can be made promptly. Furthermore, if the Federation wishes to cooperate with I-RED in our ongoing campaign against Serpentis forces in Syndicate, opportunities for talks are always open. I-RED deplores the atrocity committed by the Serpentis against Federation civilians in Evaulon, and have since stepped up our anti-Serpentis operations in Syndicate as a response. I-RED formally wishes to extend our condolences to the families of those who lost someone in the attack, and hopes some level of cooperation and coordination can be achieved between the Federation and itself in regards to countermeasures against Serpentis forces.
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 1235	Posted - 2012.12.07 10:59:00 - [2] - Quote Excellent work, I-RED. I confidently predict a representative of Serpentis or one of its capsuleer flunkies will be along any moment now to tell you how they didn't want that facility or that merchandise anyway. Mane 614
Launette Vylier Serpentis Corporation Serpentis 3	Posted - 2012.12.07 11:25:00 - [3] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: I confidently predict a representative of Serpentis or one of its capsuleer flunkies will be along any moment now to tell you how they didn't want that facility or that merchandise anyway. Oh no, for sure we wanted it, and the destruction of the facility is a shame. In the same respect, five tonnes is comparable to a single star in a whole galaxy in terms of what we extracted. What has gone to market already, has paid for our entire operation in Evaulon twenty times over. It might also be good to note that Combined Harvest won't be interested in recieving the stock back unless they want to grind it into powder and snort it. It's been processed into its narcotic form, and as such now has pretty much zero commercial medical usage potential. In summary I-RED, congratulations on a successful raid, you won a single battle after those who opposed us have already lost the war for Isirus. Bad news now of course, is that you're sat on 5 tonnes of useless illegal narcotics and everything else from Rilnais has gone to market. Good going, fly safe and all that.
Quinzel Nikulainen Kokako Acquisitions 6	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:37:00 - [4] - Quote Korsavius wrote: [center][b]Furthermore, if the Federation wishes to cooperate with I-RED in our ongoing campaign against Serpentis forces in Syndicate, opportunities for talks are always open. Tasteful. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with rallying support for your campaign in Syndicate versus Rote Kapelle forces. See how quickly Ishukone are to rally with the Federation? And using the Evaulon disaster as a front for this call to arms. Remarkable spin work that your PR department is doing, I-RED.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 775	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:43:00 - [5] - Quote I for one congratulate I-RED on their victory against the Serpentis.
Quinzel Nikulainen Kokako Acquisitions 6	Posted - 2012.12.07 12:56:00 - [6] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: I for one congratulate I-RED on their victory against the Serpentis. As do I, actually, all things aside. In-fact, allow me to extend a helping hand to I-RED; It appears that you have come into a large amount of illegal narcotics. How unfortunate. I would be interested in helping to alleviate the problem.
Alain Colcer Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 38	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:21:00 - [7] - Quote Any news of Serpentis facilities, ships or personnel being decommisioned or dismantled is good news.
Desiderya Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 106	Posted - 2012.12.07 13:21:00 - [8] - Quote Excellent. It is always good to see deeds and not just words.
Alizabeth Vea Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension 1	Posted - 2012.12.07 18:00:00 - [9] - Quote So, what you're saying is that it takes a whole fleet to do a 10/10?
Bataav Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 134	Posted - 2012.12.07 18:03:00 - [10] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: So, what you're saying is that it takes a whole fleet to do a 10/10? I'd say from the positive feedback so far that it would seem that yes, people are giving the I-RED fleet 10/10 for their efforts. Congratulations I-RED on your ongoing successes. Bataav en Gravonere IPI & ILF Diplomat Intaki Endures!
Vendrin Stimulus Rote Kapelle 1	Posted - 2012.12.07 22:46:00 - [11] - Quote Ah... So that is why you have been abandoning your moons in the area. To busy fighting the Serpentis "threat" to fight against us.
Korsavius Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 30	Posted - 2012.12.08 00:45:00 - [12] - Quote Quinzel Nikulainen wrote: Korsavius wrote: [center][b]Furthermore, if the Federation wishes to cooperate with I-RED in our ongoing campaign against Serpentis forces in Syndicate, opportunities for talks are always open. Tasteful. I'm sure that this has nothing to do with rallying support for your campaign in Syndicate versus Rote Kapelle forces. Rabble rabble trash rabble Yes, you are correct in your assumptions, Ms. Nikulainen. Our deployment into the Syndicate region by Ishukone was to secure their assets, and to expand and protect free trade policies in the region. This was and always will be our priority, regardless of some random threats posed by terrorists/pirates who frequent the area.

ISD Suvetar ISD Community Communications Liaisons 1170	Posted - 2012.12.08 01:08:00 - [13] - Quote A strange emanation from a parallel universe has been detected and removed from this communications stream. As you were. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department

Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 1240	Posted - 2012.12.08 01:12:00 - [14] - Quote ISD Suvetar wrote: A strange emanation from a parallel universe Those exist?! Mane 614
DeadRow Anshar Incorporated 6	Posted - 2012.12.08 02:03:00 - [15] - Quote In before DED cover up. Also congratulations, IRED.
Alizabeth Vea Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension 1	Posted - 2012.12.08 02:25:00 - [16] - Quote It's never funny if you have to explain sarcasm, or a joke, for that matter. But for the esteemed ISD rep that missed it, I will. I made a comment about 10/10s. Which, any experienced pilot would immediately recognize as a DED (Direct Enforcement Division of CONCORD) site, rated at 10/10 on the difficulty scale, i.e the hardest. I was insinuating that I-RED pilots accomlished nothing more here in this-I'm not sure what to call it, but it seemed to be an awful lot of words to say, "we killed some Serpentis"-than one of those sites. At the same time, I further insinuated that I-RED pilots were bad, in that it took a whole fleet of them, plus the Watch to take this Serpentis operation down. I've done more than a few of Serpentis 10/10 sites, living in Fade and all and have found them rather easy for a pilot of my skill; they only take a couple of Tengus to kill everything in them (Thank the Ancestors for Sleeper Tech). So, here's my own little press release: Fatal Ascension continues to slaughter Serpentis at the cyclic rate. (The cyclic rate, for those of you that missed projectile weapons 101, is the absolute fastest that an automatic weapon can fire.) In the past 48 hours, in one system in the null security region of Fade, over 3750 different Serpentis ships have been destroyed and tens of thousands of Serpentis pirates have been summarily executed, as Fatal Ascension has better things to do than try criminals. On a side note, I have some drugs that I have seized, which I would be more than happy to sell to anyone, shipping is extra.
Korsavius Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 30	Posted - 2012.12.08 06:15:00 - [17] - Quote It was never stated that the facility in question was a DED registered complex, because it was not. Thus, precautionary measures were taken, and Ishukone Watch forces were requested for assistance. Carry on, pilot. DeadRow wrote: Also congratulations, IRED. Thank you, Captain. I must say when I first heard of Anshar's new direction, I was a bit skeptical. I am quite pleased to see my skeptism seems to be misplaced.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 222	Posted - 2012.12.08 08:40:00 - [18] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: So, here's my own little press release: Fatal Ascension continues to slaughter Serpentis at the cyclic rate. (The cyclic rate, for those of you that missed projectile weapons 101, is the absolute fastest that an automatic weapon can fire.) In the past 48 hours, in one system in the null security region of Fade, over 3750 different Serpentis ships have been destroyed and tens of thousands of Serpentis pirates have been summarily executed, as Fatal Ascension has better things to do than try criminals. Excellent work! As for Ishukone-Raata, and Watch forces involved keep up the good work. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 667	Posted - 2012.12.08 19:07:00 - [19] - Quote Vendrin wrote: Ah... So that is why you have been abandoning your moons in the area. To busy fighting the Serpentis "threat" to fight against us. Translation: "Argle-bargle! Rabble-rabble! Self-aggrandising herf-blerf!" Aaaaaaaaaaaand...here we go! Come to think of it, maybe it's time to clone-jump out to Vilaisen, and from there take a trip into Placid and/or beyond in my Ishtar? Snake-tail stew sounds delectable right about now. Nicely done, I-RED, nicely done. Meta-gaming for carebears: Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up.
Logan Fyreite Stimulus Rote Kapelle 15	Posted - 2012.12.10 16:08:00 - [20] - Quote Hmmm, perhaps Rote should post a thread on the IGS offering the Serpentis a chance to get in on the action of killing IRED structures and ships as retribution for IRED attacks on their facilities. Well we would offer, I mean other than we'd likely not be able to keep ourselves from shooting them as well. In either case I hope that the Serps find some solace in our actions killing IRED and that IRED finds some solace in their success against the Serpentis.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 723	Posted - 2012.12.10 17:46:00 - [21] - Quote Cool. Now glass Serpentis Prime and everyone on it and you'll REALLY earn my respect. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 817	Posted - 2012.12.10 17:54:00 - [22] - Quote Anslo wrote: Cool. Now glass Serpentis Prime and everyone on it and you'll REALLY earn my respect. Please do yourself a favour and stop talking about glassing planets like it is ever a desirable outcome to anything, ever.
Jace Sarice Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 4	Posted - 2012.12.10 17:56:00 - [23] - Quote Well done and happy hunting, I-RED.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 723	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:00:00 - [24] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Anslo wrote: Cool. Now glass Serpentis Prime and everyone on it and you'll REALLY earn my respect. Please do yourself a favour and stop talking about glassing planets like it is ever a desirable outcome to anything, ever. I only talked about doing that to one planet, Serpentis Prime, in retaliation for Evaloun. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 818	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:15:00 - [25] - Quote Anslo wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Anslo wrote: Cool. Now glass Serpentis Prime and everyone on it and you'll REALLY earn my respect. Please do yourself a favour and stop talking about glassing planets like it is ever a desirable outcome to anything, ever. I only talked about doing that to one planet, Serpentis Prime, in retaliation for Evaloun. It's still not a desirable outcome.
Alizabeth Vea Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension 2	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:21:00 - [26] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Anslo wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Anslo wrote: Cool. Now glass Serpentis Prime and everyone on it and you'll REALLY earn my respect. Please do yourself a favour and stop talking about glassing planets like it is ever a desirable outcome to anything, ever. I only talked about doing that to one planet, Serpentis Prime, in retaliation for Evaloun. It's still not a desirable outcome. Yes, killing people means that Sansha can't kidnap them and make them his slaves. Got to keep the biomass banks full, right Thessalonia?
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 723	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:23:00 - [27] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Anslo wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Anslo wrote: Cool. Now glass Serpentis Prime and everyone on it and you'll REALLY earn my respect. Please do yourself a favour and stop talking about glassing planets like it is ever a desirable outcome to anything, ever. I only talked about doing that to one planet, Serpentis Prime, in retaliation for Evaloun. It's still not a desirable outcome. Yes, killing people means that Sansha can't kidnap them and make them his slaves. Got to keep the biomass banks full, right Thessalonia? Actually he meant that he doesn't approve of any loss of life, whether it be Sansha potentials or not. He isn't saying he wants to harvest them. Tiberious is actually against wonton destruction of life en masse from what I know of him. So uh...sod off. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 818	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:34:00 - [28] - Quote You would be surprised at how little interest I have in biomass these days, as an engineer. Here's my reasoning, sans moral pleas so as to better slot into the capsuleer mentality. Wars, historically, have tended to work upon the concept of escalations. The famous phrase "they send one of yours to the hospital? You send one of theirs to the morgue" fits quite well for this. These escalations are not unreversable, and history is also full of events where presented with the option to take an eye for an eye, the offended party has instead taken a lesser, but still worthwhile step. The Serpentis have elites and non-elites, same as anyone else. On the planets controlled by serpentis, there are many human beings who worth under the Serpentis, technically count as employees of the Serpentis, and yet had absolutely no say in, or knowledge of, the events that took place above Rilnais. To take a few ships for purposes of intelligence gathering? Fine. To kill the leaders who planned the assaults? Sure. Hell, if you are of a particularly retributive mindset, an argument could be made that the leaders who planned the attack need to suffer rather than just be removed. But to glass an entire planet because of the actions of those elites? Unacceptable. Those people, given the option of a different way, are entirely likely to turn their back on their Serpentis masters, and so glassing them along with the planet is needless, and wasteful.
Rodtrik Aphex Industries 6	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:43:00 - [29] - Quote Though it would send a powerful message... The offending party claimed that the attack was also to send a message that no one was to cross the Serpentis. This seemed to also implicate (or attempted to) governmental organizations that they were not to cross the Serpentis. While mass destruction is never a desirable outcome, I would say it is in this case. Take a city? Take a planet. Remind the criminals of their place.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 819	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:53:00 - [30] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: Though it would send a powerful message... The offending party claimed that the attack was also to send a message that no one was to cross the Serpentis. This seemed to also implicate (or attempted to) governmental organizations that they were not to cross the Serpentis. While mass destruction is never a desirable outcome, I would say it is in this case. Take a city? Take a planet. Remind the criminals of their place. You're assuming that the criminal, in this case, cares more about the people under their command then themselves. If you take a planet, it will be recorded merely as a financial loss. However, since the federation considers Rilnais to be more than a financial loss, the simple arithmetic of the matter is that the Serpentis will have come out ahead in such an exchange. They will be temporarily set back, whereas the federation will have failed in one of its basic duties. In short, traditional power dynamics fails to encompass the mindset of the non-state actor. Catch the heads. Punish the heads. Leave the civilians alone.
Per Bastet B.O.O.M Obsidian Mining Coalition 7	Posted - 2012.12.10 19:23:00 - [31] - Quote Anslo wrote: Cool. Now glass Serpentis Prime and everyone on it and you'll REALLY earn my respect. Have you ever seen the results of what a planet that has been Glassed looks like? I would suggest that you take the time to look at some of them. And the Loss of many innocent lives involved in the process. By jumping to glassing a world because their leaders are evil you place your self in the same shoes as those that you fight. If you are going to be an Anti Mining Bumper, then you need to be a better person. Comments like this make me strongly consider throwing my alliance's support behind the bumpers just to spite you Anslo.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 723	Posted - 2012.12.10 19:31:00 - [32] - Quote Per Bastet wrote: Comments like this make me strongly consider throwing my alliance's support behind the bumpers just to spite you Anslo. If you want to join them just to spite me instead of protecting yourself and your colleagues right to mine, you got bigger issues than me (and that's saying a lot). -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 820	Posted - 2012.12.10 19:40:00 - [33] - Quote Anslo wrote: Per Bastet wrote: Comments like this make me strongly consider throwing my alliance's support behind the bumpers just to spite you Anslo. If you want to join them just to spite me instead of protecting yourself and your colleagues right to mine, you got bigger issues than me (and that's saying a lot). Consider that the bumped miner suffers no harm other than a little lost productivity and some hurt feelings, and I begin to truly question the mental state of someone who believes with all his heart that these people must be protected and yet wants to see a planet full of potentially innocent people nuked from orbit simply because their leaders are dicks.
Misha M'Liena Rainbow Waffe 1341	Posted - 2012.12.10 19:47:00 - [34] - Quote Congrats to I-Red to a job well done. Not as innocent as she appears.Gäó -á
Scherezad Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security 282	Posted - 2012.12.10 22:16:00 - [35] - Quote 'Glassing' (what a horribly clinical term) a planet for the sake of violent leadership? Never have the Gallente strayed so far down the depths of moral turpitude, even in the lowest of their days, in bombing the cities of the Caldari. The Gallente have improved since that point, so I have been lead to believe, but your casual calls for genocide make me wonder if this is true. May you find restraint for these violent instincts. You may have spoken lightly, but be careful - enough people voicing a call for the casual extirpation of a planet will start the mob's cries, and in your Federation, this is impetus enough for disaster.
Pieter Tuulinen Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 48	Posted - 2012.12.11 10:21:00 - [36] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: Though it would send a powerful message... The offending party claimed that the attack was also to send a message that no one was to cross the Serpentis. This seemed to also implicate (or attempted to) governmental organizations that they were not to cross the Serpentis. While mass destruction is never a desirable outcome, I would say it is in this case. Take a city? Take a planet. Remind the criminals of their place. The point is that mass destruction doesn't solve problems unless you are in a position to make it complete. The last time the Gallente people seriously contemplated this solution to a problem it resulted in a civil war in the Federation, a long and expensive conflict and the creation of a hostile super-power right next door to Federation space. Counter productive.
Rodtrik Aphex Industries 6	Posted - 2012.12.11 14:01:00 - [37] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Though it would send a powerful message... The offending party claimed that the attack was also to send a message that no one was to cross the Serpentis. This seemed to also implicate (or attempted to) governmental organizations that they were not to cross the Serpentis. While mass destruction is never a desirable outcome, I would say it is in this case. Take a city? Take a planet. Remind the criminals of their place. The point is that mass destruction doesn't solve problems unless you are in a position to make it complete. The last time the Gallente people seriously contemplated this solution to a problem it resulted in a civil war in the Federation, a long and expensive conflict and the creation of a hostile super-power right next door to Federation space. Counter productive. What we Gallente did to the Caldari was absolutely uncalled for. We attempted to force ways onto a relatively non-belligerent society. For that, we are sorry. But the Serpentis acted aggressively initially and wiped out an entire city for a few plants. There is a key difference between the mistake the Gallente made in attacking the Caldari that caused a civil war, and teaching a few thugs about their place on the interstellar hierarchy by cleaning house, so to speak.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 828	Posted - 2012.12.11 14:05:00 - [38] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: What we Gallente did to the Caldari was absolutely uncalled for. We attempted to force ways onto a relatively non-belligerent society. For that, we are sorry. But the Serpentis acted aggressively initially and wiped out an entire city for a few plants. There is a key difference between the mistake the Gallente made in attacking the Caldari that caused a civil war, and teaching a few thugs about their place on the interstellar hierarchy by cleaning house, so to speak. And so the cycle continues, until someone steps in to stop it.
Anja Suorsa Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 8	Posted - 2012.12.11 17:01:00 - [39] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: What we Gallente did to the Caldari was absolutely uncalled for. We attempted to force ways onto a relatively non-belligerent society. For that, we are sorry. But the Serpentis acted aggressively initially and wiped out an entire city for a few plants. There is a key difference between the mistake the Gallente made in attacking the Caldari that caused a civil war, and teaching a few thugs about their place on the interstellar hierarchy by cleaning house, so to speak. As distasteful as I find it to agree with a supporter of Nation, I have to agree with Mr Thessalonia in this instance. I'm sure your ancestors thought they were teaching a few thugs about their place on the interstellar hierarchy when they decided to blockade and bombard Caldari Prime. Back to the topic at hand though, My personal congratulations to I-RED on work well done.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 828	Posted - 2012.12.11 17:20:00 - [40] - Quote On this, I think we don't need the qualification. One thing that Nation supporters and supporters of the Caldari state have in common is that we both have within our immediately accessable memories the horrors of planetary bombardment. I'd advise those who think it is a wise answer to the Serpentis Problem to experience one themselves before they go advocating death from orbit.
Stitcher Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 385	Posted - 2012.12.11 17:36:00 - [41] - Quote To which I'd add simply this: Do it, and lose whatever moral high ground you think you have. Permanently. Once can, conceivably, be forgiven as a temporary lapse, and we have heard time and again "oh the Federation isn't like that now". We've been assured again and again that such mindlessly, murderously over-the-top retaliation is no longer a part of the Federation's cultural makeup, and I'm personally prepared to concede that maybe that's the case. That is trust which should be offered. Calls for it to happen again, now? Shocking, but so long as the majority continue to balk at the idea, then we're alright. If it ever did get to that point, if the Federation actually did what's being advocated here, and boiled a Serpentis world to bedrock? Then speaking as a would-be interstellar peacemaker and bridge-builder, the Federation would have forever forfeited the right to call itself "civilisation" and every negative thing that has ever been said about it would be vindicated. Fortunately I suspect that the people making the decisions are well aware of just how politically disastrous it would be. I hope they're aware of the morality too, but I'm quite certain that political expediency is the more powerful motivator. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Rodtrik Aphex Industries 7	Posted - 2012.12.11 18:24:00 - [42] - Quote So then what would you moral paragons of justice suggest as retaliation against the Serpentis? Threaten them with words? Waggle our fingers? Someone suggested going after the leaders specifically. Do you think more leaders will not simply fill the vacuum and facilitate another raid against a city? Or perhaps an entire planet? When do we have the right to strike back? Do we need to wait for one of our own worlds to be destroyed? Perhaps a station cracked from within by some criminal organization as a reminder that we are to kowtow to them or else. This isn't a sovereign nation we're talking about. It's a criminal organization. Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 828	Posted - 2012.12.11 18:29:00 - [43] - Quote If you punish the proper elites properly, then those who take their place are much less likely to make the same mistake as the previously installed leadership. In short, Captain, you can be ruthless without being a monster yourself.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 724	Posted - 2012.12.11 18:34:00 - [44] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: If you punish the proper elites properly, then those who take their place are much less likely to make the same mistake as the previously installed leadership. In short, Captain, you can be ruthless without being a monster yourself. To be honest, he has a point. Serpentis aren't stupid enough to make the same mistake again if they see the ** others got for it. Even their most brazen leaders wouldn't pull a stunt like that if they saw the guy before him get the Anvent Eturrer treatment... Eh, the more I think about it, the less acceptable wiping a planet out looks... -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-**
Stitcher Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 387	Posted - 2012.12.11 19:01:00 - [45] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly. Swiftly, ruthlessly and proportionately. Massive psychotic overkill is not the answer, it just perpetuates an escalating spiral of atrocities with no good outcome. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Rodtrik Aphex Industries 7	Posted - 2012.12.11 19:04:00 - [46] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly. Swiftly, ruthlessly and proportionately. Massive psychotic overkill is not the answer, it just perpetuates an escalating spiral of atrocities with no good outcome. So we should wipe out one of their cities then? I could find this acceptable...
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 828	Posted - 2012.12.11 19:12:00 - [47] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: Stitcher wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly. Swiftly, ruthlessly and proportionately. Massive psychotic overkill is not the answer, it just perpetuates an escalating spiral of atrocities with no good outcome. So we should wipe out one of their cities then? I could find this acceptable... So you want to go full psychotic, then. This is noted.
Rodtrik Aphex Industries 7	Posted - 2012.12.11 19:13:00 - [48] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Stitcher wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly. Swiftly, ruthlessly and proportionately. Massive psychotic overkill is not the answer, it just perpetuates an escalating spiral of atrocities with no good outcome. So we should wipe out one of their cities then? I could find this acceptable... So you want to go full psychotic, then. This is noted. How is it psychotic? He said proportionate. A city for a city. How is this not proportionate?
Pieter Tuulinen Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 53	Posted - 2012.12.11 19:16:00 - [49] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Stitcher wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly. Swiftly, ruthlessly and proportionately. Massive psychotic overkill is not the answer, it just perpetuates an escalating spiral of atrocities with no good outcome. So we should wipe out one of their cities then? I could find this acceptable... So you want to go full psychotic, then. This is noted. How is it psychotic? He said proportionate. A city for a city. How is this not proportionate? You don't fight monsters by becoming a monster. Proportionate is finding the people responsible and killing them. And not just killing them, because they were capsuleers, it means boarding the station where their clones are and capturing THEM. It means taking out their ship crews, possibly the ship crew families. It means destroying the crop that they seized. It means finding the leaders who ordered it, the logisitics people who supplied it. It means tracking down the money men. You bankrupt them. Drive them from honour and you punish them publicly.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 726	Posted - 2012.12.11 19:18:00 - [50] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Proportionate is finding the people responsible and killing them. And not just killing them, because they were capsuleers, it means boarding the station where their clones are and capturing THEM. It means taking out their ship crews, possibly the ship crew families. It means destroying the crop that they seized. It means finding the leaders who ordered it, the logisitics people who supplied it. It means tracking down the money men. You bankrupt them. Drive them from honour and you punish them publicly. You might be a super patriotic Caldari but man I like your style! I like this idea much better! -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Pieter Tuulinen Wiyrkomi Honor Guard 54	Posted - 2012.12.11 19:36:00 - [51] - Quote You're welcome Anslo. And when you put the boots to them, make sure you deliver a good one to the ribs from me.
Hulemand Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate 12	Posted - 2012.12.11 20:37:00 - [52] - Quote Rodtrik wrote: Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly. Don't you worry, plans are already set in motion. Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 829	Posted - 2012.12.11 20:41:00 - [53] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Rodtrik wrote: Retribution must be delivered in some form, swiftly, and ruthlessly. Don't you worry, plans are already set in motion. Wait. What are you getting retribution for? I have to admit to confusion.
Scherezad Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security 290	Posted - 2012.12.11 20:49:00 - [54] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Wait. What are you getting retribution for? I have to admit to confusion. I believe he is referring to the actions of I-RED and the Watch mentioned in the original post.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 830	Posted - 2012.12.11 20:53:00 - [55] - Quote Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 223	Posted - 2012.12.12 07:41:00 - [56] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. No doubt they will work in tandem with the anarchists already hassling our operations. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Aodha Khan Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate 20	Posted - 2012.12.12 09:38:00 - [57] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... _____________________________________________________ Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 223	Posted - 2012.12.12 13:37:00 - [58] - Quote Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... Well he is right that alone Coreli is of little concern.. But you are lucky we are fighting Rote Kapelle, I am sure they want allies in their efforts to destroy us. Smirks Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 834	Posted - 2012.12.12 13:41:00 - [59] - Quote Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk.
Hulemand Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate 12	Posted - 2012.12.12 14:44:00 - [60] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk. It wonder how you have had time to see all this, you seem mostly busy hijacking threads here twisting them into Sansha propaganda... With our one single engagement, you are hardly in a real position to tell anyone anything about our ability to fight. Admiral Hulemand Core Operations Overseer
Joshua Foiritain Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate 139	Posted - 2012.12.12 15:03:00 - [61] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk. Really were back on this again? I think some of your implants are malfunctioning and causing a sand like irritation. Also as a reference for next time; If you want to kill a Sin you should bring more then 1 archon.
John Revenent Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 223	Posted - 2012.12.12 15:06:00 - [62] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk. It wonder how you have had time to see all this, you seem mostly busy hijacking threads here twisting them into Sansha propaganda... With our one single engagement, you are hardly in a real position to tell anyone anything about our ability to fight. Eh.. As much as I hate to agree with a supporter of the Sansha Nation, I-RED has had engagements with Coreli that sound exactly like what Mr. Thessalonia has described. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Quinzel Nikulainen Kokako Acquisitions 11	Posted - 2012.12.12 15:27:00 - [63] - Quote Who are you posturing for, Mr. Revenent? Do you really feel so strongly about agreeing with Thessalonia that you [i]hate[/] the notion of it? Were you to agree on something so trivial as, for instance, perhaps that you both enjoyed a dish of rockjaw, would you really hate that fact so?
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 834	Posted - 2012.12.12 16:06:00 - [64] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk. It wonder how you have had time to see all this, you seem mostly busy hijacking threads here twisting them into Sansha propaganda... With our one single engagement, you are hardly in a real position to tell anyone anything about our ability to fight. We were aware of you long before you were aware of us, Captain. You'd be surprised the things we know. Also if you think for a second my bashing out a post for the IGS takes even the smallest part of my time, you need to look into better implants!
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 836	Posted - 2012.12.12 16:10:00 - [65] - Quote Joshua Foiritain wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk. Really were back on this again? I think some of your implants are malfunctioning and causing a sand like irritation. Also as a reference for next time; If you want to kill a Sin you should bring more then 1 archon. For reference, as the defenders, we did not need to kill your Sin to declare a victory. We only needed to survive the attempt. We did this, and took down a bomber and a couple of destroyers before you ran away. Victory: The Foundations.
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 730	Posted - 2012.12.12 17:57:00 - [66] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Hulemand wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk. It wonder how you have had time to see all this, you seem mostly busy hijacking threads here twisting them into Sansha propaganda... With our one single engagement, you are hardly in a real position to tell anyone anything about our ability to fight. We were aware of you long before you were aware of us, Captain. You'd be surprised the things we know. Also if you think for a second my bashing out a post for the IGS takes even the smallest part of my time, you need to look into better implants! Happy chips. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 921	Posted - 2012.12.12 18:23:00 - [67] - Quote Quinzel Nikulainen wrote: Do you really feel so strongly about agreeing with Thessalonia that you hate the notion of it? Yes, I can attest that he actually does hate the notion of it. Considering I have been working personally as his assistant since my employment with RDC, you can take my word on it.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 836	Posted - 2012.12.12 18:38:00 - [68] - Quote I wonder if I could tell my enemies that I love breathing and have them suffocate themselves...
Logan Fyreite Stimulus Rote Kapelle 15	Posted - 2012.12.12 19:14:00 - [69] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: I wonder if I could tell my enemies that I love breathing and have them suffocate themselves... It might work Tiberious. Give it a shot. Perhaps you get rid of one or two, at least that is a step in the right direction, even without any success you still force your opponents to do something that you do, humbling them further. As for Rote Kapelle needing help in our "efforts" or wanting allies... I doubt that any pirate organization would do well counting Rote as allies, I mean just look at how poorly we treated Veto and they were our friends for ages. In any case, I like that John calls us anarchists, it's so nice to be recognized when the masses just call us terrorists.
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 922	Posted - 2012.12.12 19:27:00 - [70] - Quote Logan Fyreite wrote: In any case, I like that John calls us anarchists, it's so nice to be recognized when the masses just call us terrorists. If I call you a dirty anarchist, will you call me a dirty liberal?
Logan Fyreite Stimulus Rote Kapelle 16	Posted - 2012.12.12 19:47:00 - [71] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: Logan Fyreite wrote: In any case, I like that John calls us anarchists, it's so nice to be recognized when the masses just call us terrorists. If I call you a dirty anarchist, will you call me a dirty liberal? I would! You dirty liberal!
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 922	Posted - 2012.12.12 20:44:00 - [72] - Quote Logan Fyreite wrote: Katrina Oniseki wrote: Logan Fyreite wrote: In any case, I like that John calls us anarchists, it's so nice to be recognized when the masses just call us terrorists. If I call you a dirty anarchist, will you call me a dirty liberal? I would! You dirty liberal! Yaay! I mean, oh you terrible dirty anarchist! How dare you do things to us in space! Or something. Insert some witty chest thumping here.
Korsavius Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 32	Posted - 2012.12.12 20:56:00 - [73] - Quote Hulemand wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Aodha Khan wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Ah, well. If it's any consolation to I-RED I don't believe that Coreli really has the power to project the force necessary to do significant harm. As ill-informed as you are ... I've seen what you guys can bring to the table. Unsupported dreadnaughts, warp-core stabbed heavy attack battlecruisers that pose 0 threat to ships, failed black ops hot drops and the occasional AF that you are willing to actually risk. It wonder how you have had time to see all this, you seem mostly busy hijacking threads here twisting them into Sansha propaganda... With our one single engagement, you are hardly in a real position to tell anyone anything about our ability to fight. Despite Mr. Thessalonia being a Nation supporter, it seems he did have success in changing the rather extreme views of Mr. Anslo in regards to the complete destruction of an entire planet's population. For this, I commend him and wish him further success in changing the positions of those who hold this radical view, as I-RED does not condone the exercise of this practice. Furthermore, after a good read of Mr. Thessalonia's arguments, I hardly got the impression of his statements being Nation propaganda. To conclude, if Coreli poses as much a threat to I-RED as their Serpentis employers, I doubt we have much to fear.
Alizabeth Vea Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension 30	Posted - 2012.12.16 07:03:00 - [74] - Quote True story: So I was killing some Serpentis today, as I am want to do most days, and I noticed some High Admirals. Having flag officers sampling their product is probably what is getting them all killed! A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread
Katrina Oniseki Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 937	Posted - 2012.12.16 07:16:00 - [75] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: True story: So I was killing some Serpentis today, as I am want to do most days, and I noticed some High Admirals. Having flag officers sampling their product is probably what is getting them all killed! Like the holomovie says, "Don't get high on your own supply!"
Alizabeth Vea Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension 31	Posted - 2012.12.16 16:28:00 - [76] - Quote Katrina Oniseki wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: True story: So I was killing some Serpentis today, as I am want to do most days, and I noticed some High Admirals. Having flag officers sampling their product is probably what is getting them all killed! Like the holomovie says, "Don't get high on your own supply!" I swear that was funny last night . . . when I was extremely drunk. A Guide to Good Posting:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=182980&find=unread

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