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Olek Strzela
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:23:00 -
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Alright, let's be serious and look at this objectively for a moment.
Before Retribution was released, piracy was in decline. Understandably, some die-hards (myself included) don't want to admit any truth to this, and others attempt to address it by flaming and shooting down posts as care-bears and such. In truth, especially after Retribution, it really feels like our chosen profession is dying a slow and painful death.
Of course, there are hold-outs across EvE, but we are hardly in the days of avoiding every low-sec system possible for fear of losing our ships. Even now, many low-sec PvP organizations don't even bother brandishing the title of "pirate," as low-sec is infested with faction warfare and the like.
So simply, here's my question to the community, because I know some of us that wear the title proudly are still out there:
What happened?
Why does it almost feel like half of us are ashamed to call ourselves pirates anymore, and those of us that accept it, spend our days hiding in anonymity and seclusion? Retribution has given us a tool that could bring tons of flavor to being a pirate, if at a higher risk, so why does it feel that we're hiding from the spot-light?
In some ways, it nearly feels as if the pirate has become the care-bear. Many contacts of mine that wore -10.0 proudly have now cleaned up, claiming that "the risk of piracy is too great." Have we thus lost the war for low-sec?
Perhaps I'm being too analytical, but as I return to the game again, I find myself disappointed by the lack of honorable low-sec pirates. It's simply so much easier to make my way into 0.0 and fight petty Alliance wars. I once played this game to skirmish, steal, and live a life in the shadows, but it seems we've given up the shadows.
So, I ask, what do you think, and what should we do about it?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
4053
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:32:00 -
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*makes vampire hiss and hides behind cape* "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:48:00 -
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Nothing happened. There is nothing glamorous nor honorable about being a pirate. Pirating is an ugly profession that will never get any respect except from other pirates. |

Roger Dew
Simply Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.12.07 23:55:00 -
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You have basically defined 'pirate' with your claims on the outfall from Retribution.
Piracy in the real world is a criminal activity and these days is uncommon to be found in the truest sense of the word anywhere but poorer and deprived parts of the world where the law cannot be upheld to the standard it is in our countries.
Piracy is a lifestyle, and you do not need low-sec to operate from. If I were to be a pirate in Eve, I would be in the wormholes and deep 0.0 using spies to acquire ransom targets. There are no boundaries to what you can do and, in all fairness, I have never understood the methodology of hanging out in low-sec to pirate.
You might hang out in the popular low-sec areas to gang bang nerds that are passing through or to get PvP pn your doorstep, but that is not piracy. |

Olek Strzela
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:00:00 -
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Roger Dew wrote:You have basically defined 'pirate' with your claims on the outfall from Retribution.
Piracy in the real world is a criminal activity and these days is uncommon to be found in the truest sense of the word anywhere but poorer and deprived parts of the world where the law cannot be upheld to the standard it is in our countries.
Piracy is a lifestyle, and you do not need low-sec to operate from. If I were to be a pirate in Eve, I would be in the wormholes and deep 0.0 using spies to acquire ransom targets. There are no boundaries to what you can do and, in all fairness, I have never understood the methodology of hanging out in low-sec to pirate.
You might hang out in the popular low-sec areas to gang bang nerds that are passing through or to get PvP pn your doorstep, but that is not piracy.
I think you're missing the point.
Worm hole and 0.0 is certainly a good place to operate as a pirate, and I admit I failed to address it in my first post.
To suggest that piracy in EvE is unsophisticated is silly. Perhaps pirates that don't honor ransoms and 1v1's deserve no respect, but those of us that do are hardly any different than Alliances that swallow up each others systems for pure profit, we just choose to do it on smaller scales, and base it off of skirmishes.
Also, in my years of playing in low-sec, I must say that "gang bangs" are hardly the most common fighting style for pirates. It's always been popular amongst those with a narrower view of things, but there are certainly piracy organizations that operate on much larger and sophisticated scales.
Whether or not you or any of the other posters consider it a "dirty" or "immoral" profession is irrelevant. It has always been a part of EvE, and I'm simply observing that it's vanishing, if only from the public eye. I only ask the community why that is. Nothing more or less. |

Daemon Ceed
Tea And Sympathy Ltd. Liability Reckless Ambition
314
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Posted - 2012.12.08 00:00:00 -
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As a pirate myself (I really have no other career in Eve), I don't think that piracy is tapering off any more than it was at the beginning of Inferno. The Retribution buffs have added some nice tools and beneficial mechanics for us lowsec pirates.
I have noticed a little more traffic into my home, from carebears looking for a pvpers fix, missioners/plexers and sometimes anti-pirates and other pirates alike. I think we'll see a slow rejuvenation of people returning back to lowsec piracy from highsec wars and general griefing due to more pilots venturing out of highsec to get a taste for the seedier parts of New Eden. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |

Slumpert
Hookers and Quafe
0
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Posted - 2012.12.08 03:27:00 -
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I blame the high cost of medical clones.......
That would be a very useful skillbook... reduce medical clone payments by 20% Level - Rank 10 |

Lexar Mundi
DYNAMIC INTERVENTION ORPHANS OF EVE
22
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Posted - 2012.12.08 03:44:00 -
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Wormhole space is the new Pirate space.
Just because someone has a -10 doesn't make them a pirate. Hell I almost did it in 1 rep of 8 large smartbombs while sitting in jita.
I enjoy camping systems until the locals finally say "I give up here is your ISK" or just move out all together. With no local, wormhole space feels more like pirate space. You can lay and wait to ambush your pray doing sights, picking up PI, or mining in a belt. You have time to ransom because you can't get hot dropped. It just feels better, or maybe I'm just a newer class of pirate? |

Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
165
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Posted - 2012.12.08 03:57:00 -
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There are no pirates in EVE. And it's no profession. Lowbears. |

MirrorGod
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
26
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Posted - 2012.12.08 04:55:00 -
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Ha!
Heh ha hee haw, tighten up your cowboy hat Hoss.
Maybe the lesser skilled outlaws and weekend warriors are afraid to wear the flashy red...but not the pirates I know, certainly not Amamake's finest.
Piracy in retribution is better than ever before, and with all these so called "bounty hunters" coming to low-sec...I just want to thank CCP for finally putting the rest of Eve in a position where they'er not afraid to fight us anymore.
Bounty me :)
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Commander Ted
Dookie on the flowah
103
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Posted - 2012.12.08 05:45:00 -
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I dont think eve pirates should call themselves pirates. Killing the occasional missioner and the occasional idiot who travels through is not really piracy. I would say suicide gankers are closer to pirates as they attack commerce. Not much commerce travels through low sec and I think I have an idea to change that a little.
Add low sec between the four races space bringing more travel through them. I elaborate in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097&find=unread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=174097 Separate all 4 empires in eve with lowsec. |

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
261
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Posted - 2012.12.08 06:06:00 -
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**** no,
The new crimewatch is pretty much the best thing that has ever been introduced to the game for outlaws.
That along with my personal favorite, "c-key insta5-¦scan"
As to other points.. Ashamed for being an outlaw? You're hanging in the wrong circles mate.. |

NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
59
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Posted - 2012.12.08 13:46:00 -
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I would say part of the issue is that now that more can fight back plus knowing to stay out of low/null you just fewer targets. That and since we are past summer all the idiot noobs that alot of pirates depended on have left the game. Really the issue is that most pirates are just gankers who dont want to lose ships. There is no honorable pirate. A pirate will always ransom and remain true. The rest are just edgy hipster gankers who couldnt load a 5 pounder if their life depended on it. (clear barrel>swab>powder>wad>ball>fuse>position>fire) Really most of the gate camping gankers are what turn people off. The ones who would be champions of Khorne for all their love of killing. |

SB Rico
the united Negative Ten.
46
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Posted - 2012.12.08 15:55:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:I would say part of the issue is that now that more can fight back plus knowing to stay out of low/null you just fewer targets. That and since we are past summer all the idiot noobs that alot of pirates depended on have left the game. Really the issue is that most pirates are just gankers who dont want to lose ships. There is no honorable pirate. A pirate will always ransom and remain true. The rest are just edgy hipster gankers who couldnt load a 5 pounder if their life depended on it. (clear barrel>swab>powder>wad>ball>fuse>position>fire) Really most of the gate camping gankers are what turn people off. The ones who would be champions of Khorne for all their love of killing.
I am a pirate and I know how to load a cannon... The correct terms for the orders are sponge not swab and point not place. (I may have had a really sad little time of my life where I tried to get into reenactment) and you forgot to spike the charge before placing the fuse. Also 5-pounders are not a common bore 6 -pounder is more common both as a field and naval bore unless you go waaaay back.
Piracy is still alive in low sec, but i will say that there a re also more people just interested in stroking their epeens than I used to remember. |

Azrael Dinn
The 20th Legion Mildly Sober
18
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Posted - 2012.12.08 16:56:00 -
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You should go to low sec and null and pirate there like intented. |

Skywalker
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
29
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Posted - 2012.12.08 18:44:00 -
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Piracy has got a boost now with latest patch. I foresee an increase in number of skulls over the coming months.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
468
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Posted - 2012.12.08 18:53:00 -
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So what is the difference between a pirate and your regular run-of-the-mill low-sec pvper?
A pirate does it for the money, not just for fun? A pirate always offers and honors ransoms? ???
I've done some low-sec pvp (and atoned for my sins by spending many hours ratting my sec status back up) but I never considered myself a pirate - just a pvper looking for some kills.
On the other hand I have met self-proclaimed "pirates" that spend all day running lvl4 missions in their low-sec home.
I find it hard to talk about piracy being boosted or nerfed when I have no idea how it is different from regular pvp... I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

psycho freak
Snuff Box
50
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:01:00 -
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Jayson Kassis wrote:Nothing happened. There is nothing glamorous nor honorable about being a pirate. Pirating is an ugly profession that will never get any respect except from other pirates.
and mineing and carebareing is right? 
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malron Tzash
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.12.08 23:39:00 -
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pretty sure piracy died the moment jump freighters came into being There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. Sun Tzu
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jimmyjam
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple
67
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Posted - 2012.12.09 03:00:00 -
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Piracy is a state of mind not sec status. |
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
264
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Posted - 2012.12.09 05:22:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:So what is the difference between a pirate and your regular run-of-the-mill low-sec pvper?
A pirate does it for the money, not just for fun? A pirate always offers and honors ransoms? ???
I've done some low-sec pvp (and atoned for my sins by spending many hours ratting my sec status back up) but I never considered myself a pirate - just a pvper looking for some kills.
On the other hand I have met self-proclaimed "pirates" that spend all day running lvl4 missions in their low-sec home.
I find it hard to talk about piracy being boosted or nerfed when I have no idea how it is different from regular pvp...
Pirate is a silly term which has no meaning in this game.
Most "Pirates" make their isk with a legion of alts doing lvl 5's or something equally terrible. The only reason i would call myself a pirate is because i always ransom pods.. Thats it.. In all other ways i'm just a dedicated pvper that hates PVE. |

Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
155
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Posted - 2012.12.09 05:29:00 -
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Olek Strzela wrote:Alright, let's be serious and look at this objectively for a moment.
Before Retribution was released, piracy was in decline. Understandably, some die-hards (myself included) don't want to admit any truth to this, and others attempt to address it by flaming and shooting down posts as care-bears and such. In truth, especially after Retribution, it really feels like our chosen profession is dying a slow and painful death.
Of course, there are hold-outs across EvE, but we are hardly in the days of avoiding every low-sec system possible for fear of losing our ships. Even now, many low-sec PvP organizations don't even bother brandishing the title of "pirate," as low-sec is infested with faction warfare and the like.
So simply, here's my question to the community, because I know some of us that wear the title proudly are still out there:
What happened?
Why does it almost feel like half of us are ashamed to call ourselves pirates anymore, and those of us that accept it, spend our days hiding in anonymity and seclusion? Retribution has given us a tool that could bring tons of flavor to being a pirate, if at a higher risk, so why does it feel that we're hiding from the spot-light?
In some ways, it nearly feels as if the pirate has become the care-bear. Many contacts of mine that wore -10.0 proudly have now cleaned up, claiming that "the risk of piracy is too great." Have we thus lost the war for low-sec?
Perhaps I'm being too analytical, but as I return to the game again, I find myself disappointed by the lack of honorable low-sec pirates. It's simply so much easier to make my way into 0.0 and fight petty Alliance wars. I once played this game to skirmish, steal, and live a life in the shadows, but it seems we've given up the shadows.
So, I ask, what do you think, and what should we do about it?
What are you smoking bro? Retribution has breathed new life into Piracy. If anything it's on the rise. Dunno about you but I've gotten more activity in the last three days than in the last three months. Looking at a little choke point 36 kills in under 24 hours.
Also take into account the craziness that is the Algos, Vexor, and Thorax. Our little suicide cruiser gang took our drakes, two Nightmares and a Talos and Hurricane. Make no mistake a lot of us wear the Flashy Red with pride.
So hoist the colors, mother fu*^ers. We're going in hot 
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Capt Starfox
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.09 05:57:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:What are you smoking bro? Retribution has breathed new life into Piracy. If anything it's on the rise. Dunno about you but I've gotten more activity in the last three days than in the last three months. Looking at a little choke point 36 kills in under 24 hours. Also take into account the craziness that is the Algos, Vexor, and Thorax. Our little suicide cruiser gang took our drakes, two Nightmares and a Talos and Hurricane. Make no mistake a lot of us wear the Flashy Red with pride. So hoist the colors, mother fu*^ers. We're going in hot 
Daemon Ceed wrote:As a pirate myself (I really have no other career in Eve), I don't think that piracy is tapering off any more than it was at the beginning of Inferno. The Retribution buffs have added some nice tools and beneficial mechanics for us lowsec pirates.
I have noticed a little more traffic into my home, from carebears looking for a pvpers fix, missioners/plexers and sometimes anti-pirates and other pirates alike. I think we'll see a slow rejuvenation of people returning back to lowsec piracy from highsec wars and general griefing due to more pilots venturing out of highsec to get a taste for the seedier parts of New Eden.
MirrorGod wrote:Ha!
Heh ha hee haw, tighten up your cowboy hat Hoss.
Maybe the lesser skilled outlaws and weekend warriors are afraid to wear the flashy red...but not the pirates I know, certainly not Amamake's finest.
Piracy in retribution is better than ever before, and with all these so called "bounty hunters" coming to low-sec...I just want to thank CCP for finally putting the rest of Eve in a position where they'er not afraid to fight us anymore.
Bounty me :)
Garviel Tarrant wrote:**** no,
The new crimewatch is pretty much the best thing that has ever been introduced to the game for outlaws.
That along with my personal favorite, "c-key insta5-¦scan"
As to other points.. Ashamed for being an outlaw? You're hanging in the wrong circles mate..
Seems to me that Piracy is fine.
jimmyjam wrote:Piracy is a state of mind not sec status.
If you don't have a bad sec status, you're not a very good pirate. Or you're a terrorist... or confused. A state of mind does matter, but if you want to be a pirate, you will inevitably get negative sec status and you will wear it with pride.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
251
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Posted - 2012.12.09 12:33:00 -
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I had to chance to test the new features only for 2 days (oof which I needed one day to change a lot of fits and adapt new ones....even have a lot of fits that depend on drones now) and until now I only see positive effects. I love the new sentry mechanic and the possibility to finally use drones in lowesec. The changes to the inventory work fine, sometimes there are some bus with the HUD but thats gonna sort itself out soon. The new tracking mechanics are very nice for d-scan and as far as I have seen people in high sec have a lot of fun with the new crime watch sys... Right now I do not really have anything to complain about...maybe the persistance of the safty button but I heard thats going to be fixed as well.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Vincent R'lyeh
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
69
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Posted - 2012.12.09 21:38:00 -
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Posting in a thread about how I don't exist anymore
apparently neither does my entire corp....
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
59
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Posted - 2012.12.09 23:28:00 -
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Vincent R'lyeh wrote:Posting in a thread about how I don't exist anymore apparently neither does my entire corp....  Until this post I did not know of you. Perhaps you should stage some daring raids deep into hisec. |

Operative X10-4
Online Spaceships Serious Business
7
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Posted - 2012.12.10 12:40:00 -
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As a low sec pirate, I can tell you that I see more players coming to low sec now, CCP off course could improove low sec even more, but until now they seens to be doing a nice job. Yesterday I even found 2 miners 3-4 days old taking risks in low sec to mine jaspet. |

Big Gord
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 16:13:00 -
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Although I don't really call myself a pirate, just a guy who likes to shoot at things in lowsec from a very long range so I can run away, but this patch made things much better for 'pirates'. The new crimewatch timers alone. Now you can commit a 'crime' wait 30 seconds and you are free to go back to camp a gate or dock at a station for repairs no problem. Before that, you had to wait 15 minutes (i think). Made pirating easier in my opinion. |

space ganelon
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
2
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Posted - 2012.12.11 07:02:00 -
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Wow, i never knew there were such strict definitions and protocols. All I can say is....
yarrrrr! |

Shylari Avada
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
140
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:32:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Vincent R'lyeh wrote:Posting in a thread about how I don't exist anymore apparently neither does my entire corp....  Until this post I did not know of you. Perhaps you should stage some daring raids deep into hisec.
The only 'daring raids' into highsec are to either buy something not available or to seed markets elsewhere.
Empire space is boring. |
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