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Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2012.12.11 10:45:00 -
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Didnt read anyone elses posts but replying to OP.
Piracy did have a decline before Retribution, this was due to a large number of 0.0 alliances heavily recruiting, and people being afraid of getting dropped by supers, carriers etc. This was also because people got tired of piracy as there was NO reward for it, othr than catching someone unaware.
Suddenly Spaceships. would happily brand itself as a "Pirate" alliance. Although we do some 0.0 PvP too.
With retribution, piracy has become easier, and profitable now, with bounty payments coming in from most kills, and t1 cruisers being able to tank sentries AND bc gangs. It's a lot cheaper and alot of fun now.
I am Buhhdust Princess, and I'm a Pirate ;) -Buhhd |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
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Posted - 2012.12.11 13:14:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:Didnt read anyone elses posts but replying to OP.
Piracy did have a decline before Retribution, this was due to a large number of 0.0 alliances heavily recruiting, and people being afraid of getting dropped by supers, carriers etc. This was also because people got tired of piracy as there was NO reward for it, othr than catching someone unaware.
Suddenly Spaceships. would happily brand itself as a "Pirate" alliance. Although we do some 0.0 PvP too.
With retribution, piracy has become easier, and profitable now, with bounty payments coming in from most kills, and t1 cruisers being able to tank sentries AND bc gangs. It's a lot cheaper and alot of fun now.
I am Buhhdust Princess, and I'm a Pirate ;) -Buhhd
Piracy has always been a niche profession. It's probably one of if not the most difficult to start in especially as a new player. However the risks versus the potential rewards is staggering. There are still many things that need to be fixed with low sec to draw more traffic. More assets means more protection needed thus meaning better fights.
I will say though that Retribution has me crying manly tears of joy with the new drone and sentry mechanics. Bounties also provide you with quick ways to make some coin as well. Piracy was never on the decline it's just Retribution gives a little more incentive to turn to the dark trade of preying on others and all those "leet" null sec kiddies |
Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION
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Posted - 2012.12.11 13:35:00 -
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Olek Strzela wrote: In some ways, it nearly feels as if the pirate has become the care-bear. Many contacts of mine that wore -10.0 proudly have now cleaned up, claiming that "the risk of piracy is too great." Have we thus lost the war for low-sec?
How is the risk greater now? You don't get killrights for killing ships in lowsec anymore. |
Vasavia
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2012.12.11 17:40:00 -
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Jayson Kassis wrote:Nothing happened. There is nothing glamorous nor honorable about being a pirate. Pirating is an ugly profession that will never get any respect except from other pirates. LIES. |
SegaPhoenix
BREAKING-POINT Primal Force
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Posted - 2012.12.12 02:28:00 -
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Because of the unlimited amount of intel available via API/Local/Locator Agents etc it is almost entirely impossible to hide in EVE. Piracy is a profession which would typically utilize guerrilla warfare, nomadic gangs and hideouts. Without the ability to hide oneself the only way to fly under the radar enough for people not to blob the crap out of you is to keep reasonably quiet and not attack moons.
You are not alone as a pirate but the smaller EVE becomes the shiftier the Pirates have to become.
Even if that means hiding in plain sight under non conspicuous corp names or not using the term pirates too loosely. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
62
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Posted - 2012.12.12 04:42:00 -
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Shylari Avada wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:Vincent R'lyeh wrote:Posting in a thread about how I don't exist anymore apparently neither does my entire corp.... Until this post I did not know of you. Perhaps you should stage some daring raids deep into hisec. The only 'daring raids' into highsec are to either buy something not available or to seed markets elsewhere. Empire space is boring. Hey you know, with Dec shield dead you could start deccing people and brighten hisec up If the miner will not come to you, Find him and beat him until his alts learn to line up and present themselves to be shot. |
Vorlan Fuze
EldarRiders Axiomatic Dominion
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Posted - 2012.12.12 07:02:00 -
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err
what??
looky |
Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION
77
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:15:00 -
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Vorlan Fuze wrote: The difference between a pirate and a PVPer is simple, a pirate will always attack weaker prey.
And a PVPer does not want to win? Sorry, that makes no sense. If there has to be a difference it would be that a pirate tries to make a profit while the PVPer wants a killmail. |
Azirapheal
treu republic Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.12.12 11:29:00 -
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Ra Jackson wrote:Vorlan Fuze wrote: The difference between a pirate and a PVPer is simple, a pirate will always attack weaker prey.
And a PVPer does not want to win? Sorry, that makes no sense. If there has to be a difference it would be that a pirate tries to make a profit while the PVPer wants a killmail.
Surfin will back me up on what i am about to say (btw, o7 surf, im back)
i have quoted the above for its indellible truth, a pirate will always attack (solo, or by way of a gang) prey that is weaker than itself. and the difference given is that a pvper wants the kill mail, whereas the pirate attempts to turn a profit.
it is only the last few months of active game time that i have given up on my -10 badge, and am grinding that sec back up to allow me full access to new eden again - the reasons are manyfold
1. i may simply wish to smartbomb jita again 2. ever since wtz was brought into the game, piracy has been more about chance than any affordable level of skill - combat in 0.0 also reflects this as where before the most profitable lines for pirates and pvpers alike were chasing people down in belts, or catching them on the 15km run out of a system, it has been replaced by the gate lottery, and the need to catch.
where before i would often lock a guy, web, scramb, and put into flaming hull before a ransom demand was given - now there are 15 people on the gate, and its easier to just kill before they align and warp.
3. tied in with the above my own definition of piracy in this game involves killing for profit - i know of at least two rattlesnake owners that were suprised by my lone zealot that are infinitely grateful that i ceased fire and gave them an offer.
i dont think that the majority of misguided and illinformed players actually understand that the code of piracy means a multitude of ways to earn isk - standing ransoms, charging corps for safe passage/operations in your area (think gangsters/privateers) blackmailing people with the threats of wardecs etc
and of course, the good old honest scam ^^ |
Thomas Gore
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.12.12 13:55:00 -
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Operative X10-4 wrote:As a low sec pirate, I can tell you that I see more players coming to low sec now, CCP off course could improove low sec even more, but until now they seens to be doing a nice job. Yesterday I even found 2 miners 3-4 days old taking risks in low sec to mine jaspet.
Probably because Venture is a very nice low sec mining boat for newbs. It can also run from most solo pirates easily. |
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TijsseN
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.12 22:30:00 -
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I think piracy today is more of a choice where you live than a profession in EVE. When you choose the path of piracy you like to PvP, and you generally end up in 0.0, where the alliances generally see a -10 as a good sign on your resume. My security status would have been a lot lower if the fleet fights I ve been in took place in empire space. Both low and null sec are generally the same and if you learn to survive in hostile space you can enjoy the game.
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Viktor Fel
Dred Nots
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Posted - 2012.12.13 16:37:00 -
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Nope, I totally don't exist either. I really don't hit haulers, miners, cynos, ratters for what I can salvage off of their wrecks and fitting the stuff to my own ships or reselling it. end sarcasm...
Hate to tell you this, but we do still exist.
Black Rebel Rifter Club Dred Nots Plausable Deniability Smjuties
we're all pillaging, murdering thieves of EVE. Tears, I harvest them. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
255
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Posted - 2012.12.13 16:41:00 -
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Thomas Gore wrote:Operative X10-4 wrote:As a low sec pirate, I can tell you that I see more players coming to low sec now, CCP off course could improove low sec even more, but until now they seens to be doing a nice job. Yesterday I even found 2 miners 3-4 days old taking risks in low sec to mine jaspet. Probably because Venture is a very nice low sec mining boat for newbs. It can also run from most solo pirates easily.
they do not even give a wreck....what a crap target...well we one-hit them anyway
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.12.13 17:00:00 -
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Not at all, if anything this patch has helped piracy a great deal.
Let's see. We now are able to use drones on gates and if we warp out and back again after an engagement, the gate guns don't shoot.
Then there's the new bounty system, which although doesn't give kill rights, it is the best move CCP have made in a long time and helps drive more boat violence.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
HazeInADaze
L'Avant Garde Happy Endings
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Posted - 2012.12.13 19:48:00 -
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I had abandoned piracy because it negatively affected my ability to participate in logi fleets. But with the new ships and crime watch I decided to retry an old trade. In the last few days I've had several good fights, ganked T1 & T2 miners, claimed 100m in loot and ransomed an Orca for 500m.
If piracy is dead? It is better than ever. |
Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration Reckless Faith
90
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Posted - 2012.12.14 00:57:00 -
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I started out as a low sec pvp'er and moved more into piracy as a way of making isk. Now i'm back in FW I'm moving away from piracy to more general low sec pvp as i make my isk in FW.
Piracy is not dead but being a pirate is different for everyone. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
GreenSeed
90
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Posted - 2012.12.14 04:15:00 -
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Slumpert wrote:I blame the high cost of medical clones.......
That would be a very useful skillbook... reduce medical clone payments by 20% Level - Rank 10 yeah, with the absurd amount of players that are already breaking the 70 - 80 millon sp mark clone costs needs to reduced.
im at 40m sp and i don't want to lose clones, i cant afford them... i have a low sp alt that has training off, that's the one i have fun in.
maybe adding corp/alliance owned cloning vats to create clones would be nice incentive to join a corp and actually care about corp property and development. |
takedoom
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
22
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Posted - 2012.12.14 08:57:00 -
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Olek Strzela wrote:Alright, let's be serious and look at this objectively for a moment.
Before Retribution was released, piracy was in decline. Understandably, some die-hards (myself included) don't want to admit any truth to this, and others attempt to address it by flaming and shooting down posts as care-bears and such. In truth, especially after Retribution, it really feels like our chosen profession is dying a slow and painful death.
Of course, there are hold-outs across EvE, but we are hardly in the days of avoiding every low-sec system possible for fear of losing our ships. Even now, many low-sec PvP organizations don't even bother brandishing the title of "pirate," as low-sec is infested with faction warfare and the like.
So simply, here's my question to the community, because I know some of us that wear the title proudly are still out there:
What happened?
Why does it almost feel like half of us are ashamed to call ourselves pirates anymore, and those of us that accept it, spend our days hiding in anonymity and seclusion? Retribution has given us a tool that could bring tons of flavor to being a pirate, if at a higher risk, so why does it feel that we're hiding from the spot-light?
In some ways, it nearly feels as if the pirate has become the care-bear. Many contacts of mine that wore -10.0 proudly have now cleaned up, claiming that "the risk of piracy is too great." Have we thus lost the war for low-sec?
Perhaps I'm being too analytical, but as I return to the game again, I find myself disappointed by the lack of honorable low-sec pirates. It's simply so much easier to make my way into 0.0 and fight petty Alliance wars. I once played this game to skirmish, steal, and live a life in the shadows, but it seems we've given up the shadows.
So, I ask, what do you think, and what should we do about it?
Lol. You whine too much and are also too sober to be a pirate anyway. http://spinthatdamnship.ytmnd.com/
I am not a thief. I am a treasure hunter. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2012.12.14 11:25:00 -
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no pirates havent gone away, nor have bounty hunters they are simply gankers now, and prefer the targets that arent going to shoot back |
Naomi Wildfire
Inglorious Dusterds Slide to Undock
137
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Posted - 2012.12.14 11:27:00 -
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TijsseN wrote:I think piracy today is more of a choice where you live than a profession in EVE. When you choose the path of piracy you like to PvP, and you generally end up in 0.0, where the alliances generally see a -10 as a good sign on your resume. My security status would have been a lot lower if the fleet fights I ve been in took place in empire space. Both low and null sec are generally the same and if you learn to survive in hostile space you can enjoy the game.
Lol what? Piracy is no choice of where you live or your sec status, rather how you live. Pirates end up in 0.0? I'd say in a lawless space you cant call anyone a pirate. As someone who'd call himself a pirate i would say a pirate exists in high and lowsec peeking frequently into nullsec for fights. If your fleet fights would have been fought in empire space, a ton of pods were flying away i'd bet, concord 4tw. Nullsec is definetly not the same as low sec. Nullsec is the most honest space you will find. If you encounter a neutral in system you know its a hostile encounter, you have to treat every neutral as a hostile to survive. Try that in Low Sec where you never know if someone opens fire or not.
The only thing true at your post is the survival stuff else i'd say you dont have the slightest clue about piracy. |
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Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
161
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Posted - 2012.12.14 13:35:00 -
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TijsseN wrote:I think piracy today is more of a choice where you live than a profession in EVE. When you choose the path of piracy you like to PvP, and you generally end up in 0.0, where the alliances generally see a -10 as a good sign on your resume. My security status would have been a lot lower if the fleet fights I ve been in took place in empire space. Both low and null sec are generally the same and if you learn to survive in hostile space you can enjoy the game.
Coming from a G00N I knew this was utter bullshit. Stop talking out your ass. You wouldn't know what Piracy was unless it had a peg leg and growled 'ARRGH" at you on comms. Piracy has little to do with combat and more with extortion. Combat is but the mechanism to achieve ones goal.
I don't have to light up my guns to scare the **** out of a person. My mere presence as a flashing beacon of scum and villainy is sometimes all it takes to make my wallet blink. Piracy has many forms be it ransom, extortion, blackmail, threats, war decs, camps, scamming, corp infiltration, false intel etc.
It all connects to one simple end which is preying upon a weaker and often stupider player. But seeing as you think combat is Lemmings 101 with a nasty drunk with an accent screaming at you to hit F1 on a target and thinking a backup squad of cyno alts in a system, hot drops on standby, and 50 other drooling mindless "leet" players behind you is "PVP" I'm not surprised in the least. |
Dracones
Tarsis Inc
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Posted - 2012.12.14 16:34:00 -
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malron Tzash wrote:pretty sure piracy died the moment jump freighters came into being
I was going to say this. Why be a pirate if it's more profitable to do something else? And for non-pirates, why even bother with anything in low sec space?
Piracy sounds like a pretty low income potential. Anything of real value will just get jump freighter-ed past your systems and the bears don't really need to head into your area of space.
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Renier Gaden
Marvin the Martian's Militia Anarchy.
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Posted - 2012.12.14 17:34:00 -
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I call myself a Pirate sometimes, but I always feel a little uncomfortable about it when I do, because I donGÇÖt feel I make enough Isk from killing stuff to earn the title.
Pirate is a profession, while I just shoot people for fun. I guess I am more of a Brawler than a Pirate. |
Murk Paradox
Dvice Shipyards No Value
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Posted - 2012.12.14 19:12:00 -
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Dracones wrote:malron Tzash wrote:pretty sure piracy died the moment jump freighters came into being I was going to say this. Why be a pirate if it's more profitable to do something else? And for non-pirates, why even bother with anything in low sec space? Piracy sounds like a pretty low income potential. Anything of real value will just get jump freighter-ed past your systems and the bears don't really need to head into your area of space.
I don't think you want to delve into the black side of professions because it pays the most. Just that it's fun to get the pay you get.
Laziness, and destruction. Chaos. Freewill.
Piracy. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url] for details. |
Tetsel
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
45
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Posted - 2012.12.15 17:17:00 -
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The OP is right, eve-pirate.com is kinda dead right now :) Twitter:-á-á-á-á@EVE_Tetsel-á-á-á@HereticArmy |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:25:00 -
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I can answer the question posed by the subject of this message with two very simple words:
**** no.
So long as there are boats to violence, loot to steal, people to scam, and sheep who are stupid enough to autopilot or fly their expensive cargo through low sec, the EVE pirate will remain alive and well. If anything, the most recent changes implemented with Retribution's CrimeWatch have made piracy easier. Gate/Station gun mechanics have changed for the better, making it easier for criminals to traverse systems or even dock in stations to refit/repair in between engagements or while on the run. So it looks like the spirit of piracy is alive and well, and that pirates will have a slightly easier time ruining people's days.
It's about ****ing time. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Rhedea
Rhedea Corp Of Mordor
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Posted - 2012.12.15 23:44:00 -
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I lived in lowsec from the beginning, pop was low ratting was good and pirates made a good living ransoming ships. Then it started to change around '06, enough players were ratting to be able to call for help, and gank the pirate while waiting for the ransom. Pirate started ganking ships for parts the pop ratio of pirates/ratter-miners got out of balance as ganksters rush in for the feast and miners rushed out. Without the buffer of miners, ratting became unprofitable and I move to 0.0. Piracy began its decline in low-sec and ganking moved to highsec.
This is how I remember it, a bit simplistic and the date may be off a little. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies
112
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Posted - 2012.12.15 23:52:00 -
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For recovering pirates who became sov wusses and carebears; at 01:30 19th eve time there will be a Pirating anonymous meeting in the system Ennur. There you can tell us your story and learn the steps you need to take to get back to pirating. please put this in your calendar and you can bring friends. alcohol, eye patches, peg legs, ect will be provided. |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
259
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Posted - 2012.12.17 09:00:00 -
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Here is how piracy works now post Retribution:
Two pirates, Frick and Frack, BFFs, are working together and find some lone merchant with gaboodles of cash. The gank his helpless merchant ship and begin sifting around the wreck for loot. Ten seconds later the merchant, still in his pod, places a bijillion ISK bounty on their heads. Frick and Frack look at each other for a few seconds and then BFF turns into a second wave of combat as they proceed to immediate blow the crap out of each other.
In short, no honor amongst thieves... at least thieves with big enough prices on their heads (Read: ALL OF THEM). EvE Forum Bingo |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
258
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Posted - 2012.12.17 15:12:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Here is how piracy works now post Retribution:
Two pirates, Frick and Frack, BFFs, are working together and find some lone merchant with gaboodles of cash. The gank his helpless merchant ship and begin sifting around the wreck for loot. Ten seconds later the merchant, still in his pod, places a bijillion ISK bounty on their heads. Frick and Frack look at each other for a few seconds and then BFF turns into a second wave of combat as they proceed to immediate blow the crap out of each other.
In short, no honor amongst thieves... at least thieves with big enough prices on their heads (Read: ALL OF THEM).
This is not like it works when it comes to professional waylaying and toll-buissnes. In fact we have a nice pocket money from bounties of high sec dwellers who happen to come by. You know...it pays for the ammo since every lunatic in high sec has a bounty on his head now. Working as intended I would say..Yarr. As pointed out by others already, high bounties on pirates in cheap ships are some sort of...cosmetic? We have only few losses so all the bounty and killright drama really does not concern us...I mean who would buy a killright on a -10.0 player (except for RP) ps.: Ten seconds later the merchant usually idles in a clone bay or pays ransom.
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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