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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.05.11 16:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Kahn Moquil
In essence, I'm agreeing with you.
Is that clear enough for you?
Yes :) My mistake, I misunderstood the meaning in your post.
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Kahn Moquil
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Posted - 2005.05.11 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Serpensis
Yes :) My mistake, I misunderstood the meaning in your post.
Aww, that's too bad. I'm bored at work and was hoping to get into some nice bickering with you 
Anyway, if the GM's can't be bothered to do something about it, grab all the ore you can 
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kieron
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Posted - 2005.05.11 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
The reason that justice was not dealt is obvious. The macrominer was obviously either a CCP employee, a GM/Customer service employee, or in Polaris. As long as CCP allows these people to have in game characters there will be no fair and balanced treatment of exploiters.
Cue the X-Files theme, please.
If someone from CCP or Siminn wanted to generate income, the tools that are available make macro-mining worthless. If I wanted to stock my hangar with 100 billion ISK, 30 Navy Ravens, 20 Titan BPOs or 5 Enigmas with 2 Miner Vs, it would be just a few simple keystrokes.
Is this something that is done by any of the staff? Hell no. Long and short of it, if a company employee or volunteer are found abusing the tools, they face actions ranging from a counseling to employment termination. Same with exploiting. Personally, exploiting or abusing the tools is not worth my job, thank you very much. I think everyone on the EVE team feels the same way.
As for playing the game, it is a requirement for the staff to do so. Otherwise, the game will stagnate or become unrecognizable from the original vision.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.05.11 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kahn Moquil
Originally by: Serpensis
Yes :) My mistake, I misunderstood the meaning in your post.
Aww, that's too bad. I'm bored at work and was hoping to get into some nice bickering with you
Anyway, if the GM's can't be bothered to do something about it, grab all the ore you can
Good I am not the only one who passes time at work looking for arguments.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.05.11 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
As for playing the game, it is a requirement for the staff to do so. Otherwise, the game will stagnate or become unrecognizable from the original vision.
That's irony, right?
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Carper
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Posted - 2005.05.11 17:36:00 -
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So when these mining accounts get banned do ccp also ban other accounts owned by the same individual such as their main player accounts (if they have them), even if those accounts are not participating in the mining itself?
Surely that would be the biggest disincentive not to macro mine if they stand to lost their most prized character accounts?
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.05.11 17:37:00 -
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Kieron is absolutely incorrect. CCP/Simmin/Polaris employees seek to to exert their dominance every day. They take out of game actions like banning someone, but if you try to respond by warring ISD you get a threatening letter and the war is cancelled. Why is it they want to play the game, but when someone wars them they need to use their position at CCP to stop it?
Sure you could give yourself whatever items, but I am assuming that leaves a trail of sorts. I have seen people use Polaris chars to scout systems look for miners in hidden belts (right after castor) under the guise of "arranging an event" (who arranges an event in the middle of no where in Wicked Creek?). It is far easier to turn away from a petition against a GM's in game char and claim no foul play.
Lets say you dismiss everything I say as sick paranoia, answer this question. What is the procedure if a petition is filed against the in game char of a GM/Polaris/Dev? Is there a special procedure, or is it possible that a GM handle an issue filed against his own in game char?
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.05.11 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Galk on 11/05/2005 17:57:50
Originally by: Matthew
CCP does not, has never, and will never discuss bannings/sanctions/etc with any third parties, not even the player who petitioned them.
Wrong.
Sadly, online justice doesn't work that way
Love to tell you why, obviously i cannot
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.05.11 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
Kieron is absolutely incorrect. CCP/Simmin/Polaris employees seek to to exert their dominance every day. They take out of game actions like banning someone, but if you try to respond by warring ISD you get a threatening letter and the war is cancelled. Why is it they want to play the game, but when someone wars them they need to use their position at CCP to stop it?
Sure you could give yourself whatever items, but I am assuming that leaves a trail of sorts. I have seen people use Polaris chars to scout systems look for miners in hidden belts (right after castor) under the guise of "arranging an event" (who arranges an event in the middle of no where in Wicked Creek?). It is far easier to turn away from a petition against a GM's in game char and claim no foul play.
Lets say you dismiss everything I say as sick paranoia, answer this question. What is the procedure if a petition is filed against the in game char of a GM/Polaris/Dev? Is there a special procedure, or is it possible that a GM handle an issue filed against his own in game char?
You're one of those people that quits your job because your boss wrote you up for calling in with "food poisoning" because you had a hangover, aren't you.
The only times the GMs have EVER openly shared what they did to a player or group of players is when it is absolutely necessary to prevent the exploit from being re-used, and names are never given.
As for fair play, there are times where the GMs have stepped outside the fiction (the mysterious wormhole that blasted half the m0o fleet across space at the battle of Mara back in the day comes to mind) because it has been absolutely necessary for the overall betterment of the game. The GMs try to remain hands off on most things, which is why you have Secure cans and not criminal loot flagging.
If GMs were just coding their hangars full of whatever they wanted, you'd see them in different ships. The sky is not falling. Calm yourself.
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Blydchyld
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Posted - 2005.05.11 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Blydchyld on 11/05/2005 18:32:37
Edited..
i dont like flames
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.05.11 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 11/05/2005 18:24:38
Edited by: Saladin on 11/05/2005 18:14:56
The signature is a joke, its sad you couldn't get that.
With regards to your other statements. Normally this would never be an issue in an MMO, because they mostly have different servers, and GM/Volunteers would work on servers different from the ones they play on. EvE is a single instance server, and sadly because of this transparency in customer service has to be a notch higher.
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Ja'kar
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Posted - 2005.05.11 18:11:00 -
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If someone from CCP or Siminn wanted to generate income, the tools that are available make macro-mining worthless. If I wanted to stock my hangar with 100 billion ISK, 30 Navy Ravens, 20 Titan BPOs or 5 Enigmas with 2 Miner Vs, it would be just a few simple keystrokes.
f me, any chance u can throw some ot that my way
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Firebreak
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Posted - 2005.05.11 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
As for playing the game, it is a requirement for the staff to do so.
How does it feel to have the best job in the world? 
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.11 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
Edited by: Saladin on 11/05/2005 18:24:38
Edited by: Saladin on 11/05/2005 18:14:56
The signature is a joke, its sad you couldn't get that.
With regards to your other statements. Normally this would never be an issue in an MMO, because they mostly have different servers, and GM/Volunteers would work on servers different from the ones they play on. EvE is a single instance server, and sadly because of this transparency in customer service has to be a notch higher.
I can understand him not getting the signature bit. It was on par with the rest of the rubbish in the post.
I'm sure the GM's and dev's have nothing better to do than to give themselves goodies and macromining barges all day.
Anyway, you're not being paranoid, they ARE out to get you
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fairimear
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Posted - 2005.05.11 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Originally by: kieron
As for playing the game, it is a requirement for the staff to do so. Otherwise, the game will stagnate or become unrecognizable from the original vision.
That's irony, right?
haha u beat me to the obnoctous post about the game beeing unrecognizable.
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Christof Jackson
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Posted - 2005.05.12 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
As for playing the game, it is a requirement for the staff to do so. Otherwise, the game will stagnate or become unrecognizable from the original vision.
Wait a sec, that means you guys have alts so you can experience the game like the rest of us.
And that means you could be anywhere.
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I'm sorry for causing a huge Armor Explosive Hardener price spike in Yulai a few months ago.
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Dust Puppy
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Posted - 2005.05.12 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Christof Jackson
Originally by: kieron
As for playing the game, it is a requirement for the staff to do so. Otherwise, the game will stagnate or become unrecognizable from the original vision.
Wait a sec, that means you guys have alts so you can experience the game like the rest of us.
And that means you could be anywhere.
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I'm sorry for causing a huge Armor Explosive Hardener price spike in Yulai a few months ago.
Damn I'm worried enough about Samuel L. Jackson coming and whipping my ass
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.05.12 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Sadist on 12/05/2005 02:07:28
I'm pretty sure CCP made some money off the e-bay, before the game started to bring in the actual profit. Or at least one of their employees (you cant watch everyone 24/7)
Theres no point to do it now though - everyone is bloody rich as it is. No luck for e-bayers  Serves em right tho.
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Fellhand
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Posted - 2005.05.12 03:24:00 -
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Much as I normally wouldn't support ore stealing, the obvious solution here is to let them do the work and then steal their ore.
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Gibri
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Posted - 2005.05.12 03:53:00 -
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Come to luminaire the home of macros. Ive petitioned loads of them, they dont get banned, and ive quit whining and just gotten over it.
Sadly the macros are winning the mining game from players that play the game. 
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