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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.05.11 12:26:00 -
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Edited by: Serpensis on 11/05/2005 12:26:38
My corp has petitioned the same macrominers 3 times. Once the petition was closed "because the accused did not answer".
It is so obvious to everybody; running 24/7, same ships, same system all the time, does not reply to any messages, same jump-times, same jumpspots. Same chars, and so on.
What the is the use of the petition, and why is it "illegal" to macro-mine, when CCP obviously doesnt care anyway? Why does CCP set rules a) they cannot endorse, and b) it has not consequence to violate?
It is not whining, but an open question to CCP to explain why they dont care about players. If macromining has no consequence, it should be made legal.
Frustrated 
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Posted - 2005.05.11 12:27:00 -
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where? i'll send my alt to take care of their ore ;)
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.05.11 12:35:00 -
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If you petition macro-miners, don't ever expect to get any response along the lines of "good spot, they've been banned". CCP does not, has never, and will never discuss bannings/sanctions/etc with any third parties, not even the player who petitioned them.
The one closed with "because the accused did not answer" could well mean that, as they didn't answer, they've been escalated to the macro-miner hunting GM team. As this means potential bannings, you wouldn't get any more feedback anyway, so there was no point keeping your petition open.
Sure, as the one reporting them, it would be nice to get more feedback. But at the same time, there are issues of confidentiality for CCP to consider.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Serpensis
Once the petition was closed "because the accused did not answer".
Hah. Thats a rather amusing thing to say in regards to macro miners 
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Christof Jackson
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew
If you petition macro-miners, don't ever expect to get any response along the lines of "good spot, they've been banned". CCP does not, has never, and will never discuss bannings/sanctions/etc with any third parties, not even the player who petitioned them.
He's probed them three times. Their continuing presence is an indicator that they're not b&
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H0ot
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:44:00 -
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I have dealt with a couple of Macro Miners in the past, each one of them is in my addressbook and hasn't logged back in since the day I got a reply on my petitions.. So I guess that should tell you something.
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Vistilantus
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:50:00 -
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i know of a "friend" who ran into 14 mining barges + 2 indies mining ice, AFK of course with the aid of a macro so his little pirate corp destroyed both their indies (in 1.0 space) and stole all their ice (after petitioning of course) and scored something in the regions of 100-150 units in 2 hours (Guestimate).
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Christof Jackson
Originally by: Matthew
If you petition macro-miners, don't ever expect to get any response along the lines of "good spot, they've been banned". CCP does not, has never, and will never discuss bannings/sanctions/etc with any third parties, not even the player who petitioned them.
He's probed them three times. Their continuing presence is an indicator that they're not b&
Well, I would ask how long it has been since the petitions went in? (I know he said 3 petitions, but that could have been 3 different corpmates at the same time). Banning macro-miners is hardly a time-critical side to the GM task, and the GM's will have to do a thorough investigation before proceeding with the ban. It wouldn't surprise me if the macro-hunter GM's got reassigned to stuck petitions during busy periods (like the one we've just had with the server troubles), simply because clearing dozens of stuck petitions is more important than banning one macro miner.
Originally by: H0ot
have dealt with a couple of Macro Miners in the past, each one of them is in my addressbook and hasn't logged back in since the day I got a reply on my petitions.. So I guess that should tell you something.
And generally how long did it take between the petition going in and the macro miners disappearing?
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aidem
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Posted - 2005.05.11 13:59:00 -
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couldn't you just hop over in a hauler and "liberate" some of that ore. After all ore theft isn't an exploit is it?
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hooded monkey
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:00:00 -
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As much as I hate this idea...
If it is bothering you so much...just steal their ore? They do all the work, you just haul it away.
I personally have no problem with macro mining, but if they are truly afk macro mining its part of the risk.
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:01:00 -
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Well, they how now been petitioned 4 times, and they still go at it, chugging up all the roids in the system. Confidentiality? They are still in the game, they do not notice that 1M of ore has gone missing, and they continue to mine on. I am starting to wonder if I should send one of my Kessies on a suicide run just for the fun of it.
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Jamin Berry
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:15:00 -
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macro miners in your system is a blessing, go steal thier ore and let the Gm's do thier job and find them.
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:16:00 -
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Tbh id spent a few days running off with their ore until they get banned. f they dont get banned youll end up quite rich doing nothing 
Care to disclose their location btw? Im sure many ore thiefs would love to drop by and i might even come get me some trit/pyer/mexa myself 
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:19:00 -
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Call "Big Doggy".
He'll take care of all those afk mining barges in empire.
He may even give you a reward for finding them!
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Care to disclose their location btw? Im sure many ore thiefs would love to drop by and i might even come get me some trit/pyer/mexa myself
And give up my free ore, I think not
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Serpensis
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Care to disclose their location btw? Im sure many ore thiefs would love to drop by and i might even come get me some trit/pyer/mexa myself
And give up my free ore, I think not
Damn you! 
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Don'Vito Corleone
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:37:00 -
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What sector are they in? I would be happy to 'liberate' their goods for the sake of the family. I need ores for my 'thron so if they want to mine it for me, all the better.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: aidem
couldn't you just hop over in a hauler and "liberate" some of that ore. After all ore theft isn't an exploit is it?
I'm opposed to the concept of ore theft... but using it to stick it to macro miners? I like the way you think. :)
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:48:00 -
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The reason that justice was not dealt is obvious. The macrominer was obviously either a CCP employee, a GM/Customer service employee, or in Polaris. As long as CCP allows these people to have in game characters there will be no fair and balanced treatment of exploiters.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:52:00 -
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Quote:
does CCP even cre anymore?
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anister
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:54:00 -
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I'm pretty sure that i read a post somewhere else stating that stealing ore from people you suspect of macro mining is on par with you benefitting directly from the macro's and thus also bannable.
I may be wrong though.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.05.11 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: anister
I'm pretty sure that i read a post somewhere else stating that stealing ore from people you suspect of macro mining is on par with you benefitting directly from the macro's and thus also bannable.
I may be wrong though.
You are right, you can only steal their ore after you have petitioned them.
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Kahn Moquil
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Posted - 2005.05.11 15:14:00 -
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shouldn't that be the other way round? If you don't petition them, you 'obviously' don't suspect them of macro mining, you're just stealing their ore. If you petition them, you do suspect them of macro mining, thus taking their ore would be bannable.
All this would be hypothetical if the GM's could be botherd to take swift actions in matters like these. All they need to do is move the accused party to a planet somewhere and convo them, if they don't respond within 3 minutes, they're obviously macro mining.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.05.11 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Kahn Moquil
shouldn't that be the other way round? If you don't petition them, you 'obviously' don't suspect them of macro mining, you're just stealing their ore. If you petition them, you do suspect them of macro mining, thus taking their ore would be bannable.
All this would be hypothetical if the GM's could be botherd to take swift actions in matters like these. All they need to do is move the accused party to a planet somewhere and convo them, if they don't respond within 3 minutes, they're obviously macro mining.
If you don't petition until after you started stealing ore, you're as guilty of using their exploit as they are. Same thing if you steal their ore ever day when they go to macro mine. By petitioning first, you're showing the GMs you're not leaving the M&M's in the game to profit you.
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.05.11 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Serpensis on 11/05/2005 15:25:41
I have petitioned them 4 times already, that should do it, and should be enough for future referance.
If you seriously mean that I should petition them every time I steal their ore, I think CCP would ban me for petition-flooding.
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Kahn Moquil
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Posted - 2005.05.11 15:26:00 -
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ofcourse that makes sense, but what if you are a simple minded orethief that just thinks 'wow, these guys aren't even complaining about me stealing there ore!'
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that it would take a GM 5 minutes to get a good idea if somebody was macro mining or not.
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Serpensis
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Posted - 2005.05.11 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Serpensis on 11/05/2005 15:28:16
Originally by: Kahn Moquil
ofcourse that makes sense, but what if you are a simple minded orethief that just thinks 'wow, these guys aren't even complaining about me stealing there ore!'
Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that it would take a GM 5 minutes to get a good idea if somebody was macro mining or not.
If had take the time to read the thread before posting, you would have seen that one of the first petitions I sent, was closed "because the accused did not answer". But still, nothing happened.
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Kahn Moquil
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Posted - 2005.05.11 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Serpensis
If had take the time to read the thread before posting, you would have seen that one of the first petitions I sent, was closed "because the accused did not answer". But still, nothing happened.
If you had bothered to read my posts, you would've understood that I'm subtly trying to say that the GM's could easily have figured out if they were dealing with a macro miner or not.
In essence, I'm agreeing with you.
Is that clear enough for you?
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.05.11 16:35:00 -
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Originally by: Serpensis
Well, they how now been petitioned 4 times, and they still go at it, chugging up all the roids in the system. Confidentiality? They are still in the game, they do not notice that 1M of ore has gone missing, and they continue to mine on. I am starting to wonder if I should send one of my Kessies on a suicide run just for the fun of it.
Ill come.
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Corvus Dove
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Posted - 2005.05.11 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
The reason that justice was not dealt is obvious. The macrominer was obviously either a CCP employee, a GM/Customer service employee, or in Polaris. As long as CCP allows these people to have in game characters there will be no fair and balanced treatment of exploiters.
Tinfoil hattery is pretty redundant now, considering we're already in space.
Straw men also don't survive well in a vacuum.
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