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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.05.22 11:17:00 -
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*sighs* Our strike fleets in Bloodraider space are about to be very busy, methinks....
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.05.22 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 22/05/2005 12:16:21
It would seem, Doctor Hnolku, that you now have more than one objective. To save your own life, and keep the Caldari State at bay, your current protectors may be well up to the task. However, in the case of your wife, you must now look to other options.
I would encourage you to contact the Aegis Militia, as we are the only force in the Bleak Lands capable of intervening on your behalf.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.05.22 16:27:00 -
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This has to be confirmed.
Or are we now to take the word of the Blood Raiders that not only do they have the agent, but also Dr. Hnolku's wife? Say it ain't so...
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.05.22 17:00:00 -
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I would call Mr. Sarikusa a plethora of dirty names. However, based on historical precedence, 'liar' is not one of them.
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.05.22 17:59:00 -
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Would anyone care to explain why the Blood Raiders spreading this drug is such a horrid concept? If anything, you should rejoice that it will be spread in the first place. Shows that your ambitions and motives are untrue, all that some of you are after is personal glory.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.05.22 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 22/05/2005 18:39:48
 Originally by: Meehan
Would anyone care to explain why the Blood Raiders spreading this drug is such a horrid concept? If anything, you should rejoice that it will be spread in the first place. Shows that your ambitions and motives are untrue, all that some of you are after is personal glory.
Meehan,
My friend even if it is in the interests of the raiders, people associate thier willingness of "goodwill" with thier reputation.
And as for personal ambition. I could care less. I see a slave of a primitive system trying to break free. And he is being hunted down for wanting to change himself and the world around him. He has self actualised. The Fraction would only wishes to see him achieve his potential. There is one, possibly two other organisations in EVE that can share our view.
Meehan,
The raiders want only the agent. And they have resorted to extortion and ransom. So having a hard time believing in the motives of the raiders is, difficult.
Personally, however I think the Sisters might have better luck.
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.05.22 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Meehan on 22/05/2005 18:55:26
There has been no extortions. There has been no ransoms. There has been only prejudice from people who refuse to see the objective motives behind all this because their clarity is shrouded by pathetically flawed human emotion.
It can't become much simpler, really. The Amarr Empire is our prime enemy. Slaves is the Empire's main strength. Take their slaves away and you have a weakened enemy. There's all the guarantee you need of the Sani Sabik distributing this drug.
Simplicity is as beautiful as it is powerful, is it not?
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Tansien
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Posted - 2005.05.22 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Omir Sarikusa
I'll relay your stance to your lovely wife.
Right after we finish analyzing the contents of that little vial she was carrying.
This is what happens when you entrust something important to those who wants to do good, but lacks the strength to do so... It seems the matari was unable to fulfill their "deal". |
Xav Vorbarra
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Posted - 2005.05.22 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Xav Vorbarra on 22/05/2005 20:14:17
Xav Vorbarra smiles thinly
The Aegis Militia arn't the only force in the Bleak Lands.
Come down to Oyonata, don't bind yourself to an Empire. They'll probably just take your biological agent, destroy it and enslave you. But we can help you
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.05.22 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tansien
Originally by: Omir Sarikusa
I'll relay your stance to your lovely wife.
Right after we finish analyzing the contents of that little vial she was carrying.
This is what happens when you entrust something important to those who wants to do good, but lacks the strength to do so... It seems the matari was unable to fulfill their "deal".
Though I do not speak for the council, have we made a 'deal' yet? Has mister Hnolku named his protector yet? Did we say his wife was in our protection? And trust me, we do have the strength. Bloodraider ships are a simple light lunch compared to the forces of the CVA and the Aegis Militia that we face down every day.
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Narciss Sevar
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Posted - 2005.05.23 01:58:00 -
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Did we say his wife was in our protection?
I'm pretty sure i saw a thread for Ushra'Khan were numerous blood oaths were muttered or rambled about...
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Xav Vorbarra
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Posted - 2005.05.23 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: Xav Vorbarra on 23/05/2005 04:15:26
Seems like a lot of misinformation going around right now. If we could get an official report on the situation now it would be appreciated...
Oh and the CVA and Aegis Militia are groups affiliated with the Amarr Empire. Do not be so foolish to assume there are no groups with such ties to the Blood Raiders.
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The Patriarch
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Posted - 2005.05.23 08:06:00 -
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Oh and the CVA and Aegis Militia are groups affiliated with the Amarr Empire. Do not be so foolish to assume there are no groups with such ties to the Blood Raiders.
We are aware............ don`t be so foolish to speculate things you have no knowledge of.
As`t nie giet soals `t mot, mot `t moar soals `t giet! |
Xav Vorbarra
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Posted - 2005.05.23 09:28:00 -
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Well then please inform all your pilots as some clearly aren't.
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The Patriarch
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Posted - 2005.05.23 10:07:00 -
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Quote:
Well then please inform all your pilots as some clearly aren't.
Yes Sir! Anything else?
As`t nie giet soals `t mot, mot `t moar soals `t giet! |
Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.05.23 12:43:00 -
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Thank you for representing us so well Meehan; you are a true asset to the Covenant.
By the way Dr. Hnolku, you have a lovely wife; she's so... flexible... 
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.05.23 13:31:00 -
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That the Blood Raiders would resort to such underhand methods only serves to confirm why they should not be given possession of Doctor Hnolku's product.
And let us not forget, that their aims in all of this are exactly the same as the bleeding heart liberals and abolishionists. The only way to ensure that the Blood Raiders are defeated in this is to take a stand against extortion and not release the drug to the public.
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Ugleb
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Posted - 2005.05.23 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
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Did we say his wife was in our protection?
I'm pretty sure i saw a thread for Ushra'Khan were numerous blood oaths were muttered or rambled about...
Yes, we have sworn do all that we can to assist the doctor. It is unfortunate that we were not told about the Doctor's wife before the Blood Raiders found her, assuming of course that they are holding her, but I hope that we can find some way to help her.
Doctor we are ready to help you, ask and it shall be done.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.05.23 15:55:00 -
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I see alot of views here about state of nations, fall of empires and betrayals of a state.
Let me tell you. None of that matters and none of us matter. Have you all forgotten those people that this cure is for? Those billions that for whom this means salvation, for whom this means freedom?
I ask you, have any of you ever experienced the effects of Vitoc? I would say not. They creators of this vile drug, engineered it in such a way that taking it is pleasing to the brain, thus engineering an addiction to the drug once it had been administered enough - this was not enough however. For the Empire had created such drugs before, and no addiction they found, could stop them trying to gain their freedom.
No. The engineers, whichever twisted and depraved individuals created this abhorant evil drug, made it in such a way that the withdrawal from the drug is pain and suffering none of you will ever know, and at the end of this pain and suffering there is only death. And there have been cures before, but none have lasted very long before the drug mutated and required the engineering of yet another antidote.
What better drug to use I ask, what need of armies of guards need a slaver when this noose permantly hangs around an enslaved persons neck, just waiting to be tightened? Disobideince simply means no more antitdote given out by the slavers. Disobidience means painful, drawn out death.
Until you have seen this, until you have held a child in your arms while their body convulses in pain, seeing only horror and fear in their eyes while the last breaths of life leave their frail body. Until you have seen any of this, you do not know.
This is why we fight. This is why we will all lay our lives on the line for this man and his cure. Even if he does not choose us. We will help him, and we will kill anyone who seeks to stand in his way.
This is our peoples hour of salvation. We fight neither for glory, honour, isk or power. We fight for our people, we fight for their freedom.
We will not fail them.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.05.23 16:39:00 -
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You've already failed his wife...
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.05.23 16:50:00 -
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Well put brother Khaldorn. My father died of this vile drug only moments after I was born. He only lived long enough to hold me in his arms once. I'm sure even then, in his last moments, he had hoped that I would be free of this horror my whole life. Luckily, up until now, I have not experienced it however close an encounter I have had in the past. But I cannot stand by and allow this evil to spread through the universe.
I know it may never fully remove slavery from the galaxy, but it will be a cripling blow none the less. The truelly determined will always trade in slaves, but their job becomes much harder, and freeing them becomes much easier. And it's a step in the right direction, and the right thing to do.
Some say it will bring about the downfall of the Amarr. Is that such a bad thing? Any empire that not only engages in such a trade, but also invented it's medium in the form of Vitoc, deserves to fall. And if it doesn't fall, it will be forced to enter a new era free of slaves. Isn't that a good thing in the long run? And the doomsayers of CAIN speaking of the ripple effect it will have. I am sure that is a pain worth enduring on any scale if it finally brings an end to the evils of savery. Ripples die in time, and to try and stand up for an unjust status quo because you simply don't want a rocky ride in the future is entirely selfish. You want your comfort at the expense of other, this makes you no better than the slavers and if you do nothing to end it, and stand in our way to prevent change, then you support slaver. You may deny it, but however passive this support may be, you give it a firm ground to stand upon.
As an old saying goes, 'All evil needs to thrive, is for good men to do nothing.'
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.05.23 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus
You've already failed his wife...
Who was not yet in our protection. She was caught in the Bleak Lands area, not Molden Heath where the Ushra'Khan reside. Again, he has not chosen his protector yet, even he is not standing wth us let alone his wife. It seems that simple fact is rather transparrent to some people trying to claim some kind of victory out of this, or oppose us ideologically. Comments like this are simply an example of stooping to any cheep depths to destract the massess and sway them in your favour.
Had she been in our presence before she was taken, the Blood Raiders ships would not have gotten close.
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.05.23 17:58:00 -
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Well if Dr. Hnolku has yet to choose the valiant U'K as his protectors, then what is all this bluster and hubub about defending him?
If the good doctor decided to return to the Caldari State or the Blood Raiders would you kill him in order to obtain the Vitoc cure?
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Darius Shakor
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Posted - 2005.05.23 18:42:00 -
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OK, now pay attention because you seem a little slow on this issue. All the blood oaths were to say "we will defend him" not to say "we are defending him now". In otherwords, showing him our resolve to aid him in making a descision. Hopefully, that finally set that straight, though I didn't think it would take that much reading into personally.
And would we kill him if he returned? Well, I cannot answer that. A course of action will be descided on by the council and I will go with that descision, whatever it may be. But until that moment comes, I would not know what I would do. I'm sure that Drupar, the man who lit the spark for the Minmatar rebellion, didn't know that he was going to Kill Arkon Ardishapure with his own scepter until that moment came and he improvised. And personally, I cannot see the good doctor returning to the Caldari State as a posibility for the future. He has already crossed the line in the sand. If he returned, he would most likely be executed anyway, or imprissoned for life. Some incentive to return.
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Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2005.05.23 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus
Thank you for representing us so well Meehan; you are a true asset to the Covenant.
By the way Dr. Hnolku, you have a lovely wife; she's so... flexible...
Not that there was any doubt in the minds of most observers, but this comment should make clear the depravity of the Blood Raiders. As much as Meehan would like to profess their noble intentions, here we see that their members are in fact no more than savages who admit to committing unspeakable depravities even as they try to cajole the victim's husband.
Dr. Hnolku, you can only assume that your wife is lost to you and that the Raiders did not successfully acquire the formula. There is no other explanation for their attempts to lure you into their clutches while at the same time openly taunting you with the indignities to which they are subjecting your wife.
You can judge for yourself how much they have your interests and those of humanity at heart.
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2005.05.23 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The only way to ensure that the Blood Raiders are defeated in this is to take a stand against extortion and not release the drug to the public.
So if the Blood Raiders were advocates of oxygen, you'd take a stand against them by holding your breath indefinitely?
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Xav Vorbarra
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Posted - 2005.05.23 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: The Patriarch
Yes Sir! Anything else?
Yes, fetch me a glass of water. I think I could get used to having slaves
Anyway, you self-supposed "freedom fighters" should realise, it's only been rumoured to be Vitoc cure. It's more likely to be some sort of harmful pathogen. Besides, can you imagine the chaos if it were released? No thank you, I like the unsteady balance right now, and although the thought of th Amarr Empire weak and wracked by revolution is, interesting it's not worth it for the possible consequences we face if this harmful drug is released and causes many deaths.
This is about more than slavery. Consider yourselves if one of your own was to betray you and escape to Ammatar. If the Caldari tried to hinder you and help him escape, you would naturally be some angry tribesmen.
Now that you've swung things around, does it make more sense? Or is it so hard to believe there's more to life than freeing slaves?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.05.23 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Kovsky
Originally by: Rodj Blake
The only way to ensure that the Blood Raiders are defeated in this is to take a stand against extortion and not release the drug to the public.
So if the Blood Raiders were advocates of oxygen, you'd take a stand against them by holding your breath indefinitely?
Your logic is flawed.
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.05.23 21:13:00 -
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Well Darius, thank you for clearing the matter up and I hope you will forgive my ignorance on the issue; I know little of Matari customs.
As far as the doctor turning over the cure to the State or the Raiders, I did not say that he would necessarily do so of his own free will. Let me provide an example:
Dr. Hnolku is arrested by State authorities who bribe/bully your shaky Republic into allowing his extradition.
Following this, you and your comrades discover the route of the prison ship he and the cure are being transported on. Would you hijack or destroy the ship in order to either obtain the cure for yourselves or stop it from falling into the "wrong" hands?
I know that you have said that action on your part would be decided by a council vote, but I somehow doubt that you would allow the key to the freedom of millions of your people to slip through your fingers like that.
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Dev Larren
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Posted - 2005.05.23 22:26:00 -
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Dr Hnolku
By now you must be tiring of this jibberish communicated mostly by imbeciles - slavers, anti-slavers, Blood Raiders...
You and I are of the same ilk: Cladari and Rational. Please listen to my appeal.
I know by now the fate of your wife is your greatest concern. I promise you my organisation is placing finding her location at the same priority as finding yours and the I4 "agent." I will use whatever influence I may have with the regular Navy to make them do the same.
However it is critcical you return to us. Yes, you will have to face justice at the hands of Zainou but your return will alow all the resources of the Caldari State so far dedicated to finding you to be instead be dedicated to finding your wife and the I4 agent.
Please! Let us help you.
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