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Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:24:00 -
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Some human/robot/spaceman had to pay for that plex with real money ( Euros,USD) or that plex would of never been for someone to have payed in game isk for.
SO
it works like this
Joe is rich in Real life, and pays for his sub with money.
Joe wants more eve isks, and dose not want to spend time in game grinding these isks.
Joe buys a plex from CCP and posts a selling thread in the correct forums.
Mat has allot of isks in game and is poor in Real life but is running out of game time.
Mat comes to the forums finds Joe's sell order.
Mat buys Joe's Plex with isks.
Joe gets isks, Mat gets game time.
Joe has just payed for mats game time.
SO, plexes are not ""FREE GAME TIME"" someone payed for that game time even if its not the person using it.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:25:00 -
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Actually you sell plex in in-game market. Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:27:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Actually you sell plex in in-game market.
meh minor diff, someone bout it with real money all the same
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:31:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Actually you sell plex in in-game market. meh minor diff, someone bout it with real money all the same People sell GTC in forums. They are bit different thing, but same basic idea - yes. Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:32:00 -
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You buy GTCs from CCP. Not plexes.
If you are going to claim an authoritative thread, at least get it right.
Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Amonestos
Aspire Academy New Dawn Brotherhood
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:32:00 -
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I like this thread, it's logic.
And Epeen, I bought a PLEX from EVE today. You're wrong ;)
GTC = 60 day PLEX = 30 day
https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/ |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:33:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:You buy GTCs from CCP. Not plexes. If you are going to claim an authoritative thread, at least get it right. Mr Epeen Actually you buy plex from CCP.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:37:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:You buy GTCs from CCP. Not plexes. If you are going to claim an authoritative thread, at least get it right. Mr Epeen Actually you buy plex from CCP.
I stand corrected
When did that change? Never actually bought from the man. Always thought it was GTC from CCP into two plexes into ingame market.
Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:37:00 -
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Does/Have CCP ever inject(ed) PLEX into the market?
Obviously with it's current pricing I can see this as being the only way to reduce PLEX cost.
Or reduce RL amount for PLEX purchase to put more in.
Lost income to CCP either way. Anyone know? Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:38:00 -
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6 posts of pointless debate so far. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
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DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:38:00 -
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There are the :bitternoobs: who unsub, yet pay with PLEX because they think CCP won't get any money out of it. In fact, CCP get more money given that many subscriptions are less than $15 a month. |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:39:00 -
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Plex prices get too high, login numbers fall. Its as simple as that.
If some people wanted they could **** up EVE's population by doing market manipulation on PLEX. CCP cannot afford that. Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:40:00 -
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I disagree Renan clarity is important. There you go make 8 - yours included. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:45:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:There are the :bitternoobs: who unsub, yet pay with PLEX because they think CCP won't get any money out of it. In fact, CCP get more money given that many subscriptions are less than $15 a month.
False logic there. Bitter vets like me have accounts on plex not because I think CCP will get no money out of it, but because I know CCP will get none of MY money out of it. If they get some one else's money then that is naught to do with me. Also remember a 12 month (or even 6 month) play license may be significantly cheaper - however you have to pay upfront. I had 4 accounts roll out in July - I was simply not prepared to invest that amount of money in a game that might not have wanted to play after Christmas.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:45:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:I disagree Renan clarity is important. There you go make 8 - yours included.
Take a look at the word "Debate". Sometimes the only difference between a budding genius and a blooming idiot is where they chose to take a stand. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.06 00:46:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:You buy GTCs from CCP. Not plexes. If you are going to claim an authoritative thread, at least get it right. Mr Epeen Actually you buy plex from CCP. I stand corrected When did that change? Never actually bought from the man. Always thought it was GTC from CCP into two plexes into ingame market. Mr Epeen
Well GameTimeCards you can buy from external sites like Shattered Crystal. Many other sites link to pages like this. As far as I am aware, they get some small share for the work and for providing free advertisement. GTC can only be converted to game time with static price.
Plex you can buy either directly from CCP with cash or from in-game market, contract or other player usually buy providing x amount of isk. Plex can be converted either to game time or aurum. It can also be resold with isk.
I've never tried to describe the system this well, so hopefully facts went pretty close to the truth. Someone will surely correct if that wasn't the case - that is what I love in these forums :) Forum fix for firefox and chrome Get working images and colored text Classic forum style 2.25final |
Mirima Thurander
Deventer Exploration An Acquisition
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:09:00 -
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As far as i know all in game time cards for sale in the in game market where payed for by someone with real money.
In less someone at CCP wishes to come along and say they are seeding free game time. < not likely I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. |
Rubix Khamsi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:54:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:As far as i know all in game time cards for sale in the in game market where payed for by someone with real money.
In less someone at CCP wishes to come along and say they are seeding free game time. < not likely Actually, with the buddy program CCP give you a free plex when your buddy subscribes. Nobody paid for this. Your buddy paid for his first month and doesn't get the plex. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2011.10.06 03:54:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:DarkAegix wrote:There are the :bitternoobs: who unsub, yet pay with PLEX because they think CCP won't get any money out of it. In fact, CCP get more money given that many subscriptions are less than $15 a month. Bitter vets like me have accounts on plex not because I think CCP will get no money out of it, but because I know CCP will get none of MY money out of it. There are :bitternoobs: who do it because they think CCP aren't getting cash, and :bittervets: who do it because they know CCP won't get their cash. |
Nth Ares
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.06 04:05:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:DarkAegix wrote:There are the :bitternoobs: who unsub, yet pay with PLEX because they think CCP won't get any money out of it. In fact, CCP get more money given that many subscriptions are less than $15 a month. Bitter vets like me have accounts on plex not because I think CCP will get no money out of it, but because I know CCP will get none of MY money out of it. There are :bitternoobs: who do it because they think CCP aren't getting cash, and :bittervets: who do it because they know CCP won't get their cash.
CCP may not get your cash, but they get cash. Someone else gets the time you spend grinding ISK.
Also, I don't get these people's logic. Are they playing the game out of spite? WTF, play a different game... why waste so many hours on a game you hate? |
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Psychophantic
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Posted - 2011.10.06 05:23:00 -
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Some time ago when Nex was introduced CCP said they were going to keep an eye on the market to try and maintain the price of plex at an affordable level for those using it to pay for their gametime due to people hoarding plex in preparation for aurum conversion.
The only conclusion I can draw from that is that CCP has or is prepared to seed the market with plex.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:03:00 -
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Well that could also mean that they sell cheaper plex like they are doing now with the bulk offer.
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Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:43:00 -
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It's somewhat difficult to really gauge the effect of PLEX compared to paying for the game outright. If PLEXES were to fall to a super low price. Then people who use them for game time would be saving actual RL money compared to someone that paid the 15 bucks every month.
Let's say PLEX sales fell to 170Mil isk (not gonna happen I know) then technically I'm paying half the price as a subscriber. Since one PLEX equals one month playing time valued at 15USD. I'd be "paying" 7.50 USD instead.
This is not including the person who actually purchased the PLEX and brought it in game for me to grab off market. |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:48:00 -
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Time is Money. So those who think using the argument "oh at least they aren't getting MY money" is still a flawed logic.
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Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
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Posted - 2011.10.06 10:52:00 -
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i like how i finally could buy PLEX using paysafe, altough i still didn't buy one and probably never will. lol |
Rob Crowley
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.10.06 11:01:00 -
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Apollo-Moor wrote:Let's say PLEX sales fell to 170Mil isk (not gonna happen I know) then technically I'm paying half the price as a subscriber. Since one PLEX equals one month playing time valued at 15USD. I'd be "paying" 7.50 USD instead. You're funny.
But be careful, on the robot planet you'd not survive for half a day with that kind of logic. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.06 11:06:00 -
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I think the point is, we don't give a toss WHO pays for it, as long as it is not us :) |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.10.06 11:55:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:The only conclusion I can draw from that is that CCP has or is prepared to seed the market with plex.
You may have noticed that CCP had a "buy 13 PLEX for $X" offer recently. That's their attempt at restoring PLEX prices to the level that they're aiming for. So not seeding the market, just making PLEX cheaper in bulk.
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Industrializer Tekitsu
Everlasting Forge Imperial Ascension
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Posted - 2011.10.06 11:58:00 -
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Miilla wrote:I think the point is, we don't give a toss WHO pays for it, as long as it is not us :)
No. The point is CCP isn't a charity game studio nor he points anyone with a gun to make him buy PLEX. Someone buys PLEX because he wants to save time which allows someone who wants to save money to play for free. It's a win-win situation, unless your against PLEX as a RMT item but that's not what's being discussed here. It's frankly quite pompous to judge what anyone does with his money.
"Someone else paid for it" argument's flaw is compounded by the intrinsic nature of the capitalist society where you live. You got free TV because sponsors paid for it because they realized that advertisements boost their sales because people tend to buy the one drink announced in TV. Free TV isn't free then? Someone paid to make it happen, someone paid to maintain it but it's free to you. |
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.10.06 12:08:00 -
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Industrializer Tekitsu wrote:Miilla wrote:I think the point is, we don't give a toss WHO pays for it, as long as it is not us :) No. The point is CCP isn't a charity game studio nor he points anyone with a gun to make him buy PLEX. Someone buys PLEX because he wants to save time which allows someone who wants to save money to play for free. It's a win-win situation, unless your against PLEX as a RMT item but that's not what's being discussed here. It's frankly quite pompous to judge what anyone does with his money. "Someone else paid for it" argument's flaw is compounded by the intrinsic nature of the capitalist society where you live. You got free TV because sponsors paid for it because they realized that advertisements boost their sales because people tend to buy the one drink announced in TV. Free TV isn't free then? Someone paid to make it happen, someone paid to maintain it but it's free to you.
I guess you missed the "we don't give a toss" part.
I play free, I pay no money, somebody else does, if you don't want ME to play free, which I do, stop buying PLEX and putting it into the game.
Simple enough for simpletons, I don't give a rats how much and who pays CCP, as long as I DO NOT. |
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