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Jaiken
Battlestar Federation Black Core Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.09 00:55:00 -
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I'm not trying to bash anyone who is running a legitimate business. I was willing to invest in the Phaser Inc. corp when it was running. Many pilots will remember that fiasco. I was lucky to escape with most of my investment before they booked it. I saw Ash Holloway advertising for a similar corporation in local and wanted to determine if they were doing the same thing so I convo'd him. Keep in mind that if he was able to keep my interest i would have been willing to part with billions. Here is my convo verbatim.
[00:41:22] Ash Holloway > whats up [00:41:23] Jaiken > hello [00:41:27] Jaiken > i've got a question [00:41:31] Ash Holloway > shoot [00:41:44] Jaiken > what is the difference between what you're corp is doing and phazer inc. [00:42:30] Ash Holloway > what region are you in? [00:42:39] Ash Holloway > im dealing with other clients so bare with me [00:42:43] Ash Holloway > region? [00:43:04] Jaiken > i'm based in Malpais [00:43:37] Ash Holloway > is that the current region you are in [00:43:43] Ash Holloway > im trying to show you our orders [00:43:54] Jaiken > ahh. currently i'm in The Citadel [00:44:37] Ash Holloway > eh im the account manager for metropalis, sinq lasion, and heimatar [00:45:00] Jaiken > what doest that mean? [00:45:12] Ash Holloway > we have 5-7 jump freighters, 18 freighters, and 25 carriers for sale on the market [00:45:24] Ash Holloway > and buy orders for all cap ships.... [00:45:26] Ash Holloway > 1 sex [00:46:30] Jaiken > are u familiar with the corp Phaser Inc.? [00:46:36] Ash Holloway > we offer collateral [00:46:45] Ash Holloway > we are all wealthy [00:46:56] Ash Holloway > we want to be known as the biggest trade group in eve [00:47:03] Ash Holloway > we want to dominate the high sec markets [00:47:12] Ash Holloway > and honestly i dont give a **** what you think [00:47:14] Ash Holloway > fly safe
This convo was on 2012.12.09
Infer from this what you will but I can tell you that I will not be parting with any isk to intrust in these people. |

Ash Holloway
New Eden Trade Group
0
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Posted - 2012.12.09 02:38:00 -
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Yep, that is exactly how the convo went down.
You are bashing me for assuming and questioning our intentions in the way you did. Just because you were scammed doesnt mean everyone is out to scam players. I was trying to explain to you how we operate and proove to you that we do have the market knowledge to operate the way we claim. Also, hold on to your billions, we have plenty and dont care to help players like you earn isk.
Fly safe and good luck in your future ventures. |

Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud.
56
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Posted - 2012.12.09 07:44:00 -
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/popcorn There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency. |

shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
179
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Posted - 2012.12.09 09:12:00 -
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Ash Holloway wrote:Yep, that is exactly how the convo went down.
You are bashing me for assuming and questioning our intentions in the way you did. Just because you were scammed doesnt mean everyone is out to scam players. I was trying to explain to you how we operate and proove to you that we do have the market knowledge and funds to operate the way we claim. Also, hold on to your billions, we have plenty and dont care to help players like you earn isk.
Fly safe and good luck in your future ventures.
fair enough, why dont you show us some real proof of your doing then, something like an api key for example? let me guess, its your rule to not do that, rite?
Boost T2 BPO`s! |

Ash Holloway
New Eden Trade Group
0
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Posted - 2012.12.09 11:30:00 -
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Depends on what the api key shows. |

Annunaki soldier
Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing
4
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Posted - 2012.12.09 12:30:00 -
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/popcorn and cola |

shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
179
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Posted - 2012.12.09 12:49:00 -
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Ash Holloway wrote:Depends on what the api key shows.
read carefully....the part that proves your business, ofc. in example the existance of the mentioned 7 Jump freighters, 25 Carriers and 18 normal freighters that you are (supposedly) trading with...basicly anything that tells us that your really having a business. Boost T2 BPO`s! |

Ash Holloway
New Eden Trade Group
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 03:11:00 -
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We are going to look into this matter further. We are all about transperancy, the one concern is whether or not some sensitive items we trade will be revealed. We have found a few "market gems" that we keep to ourselves.
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Tom Hagen
Twilight Empire Blazing Angels Alliance
96
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Posted - 2012.12.10 04:27:00 -
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Cute!
If I only had an ISK for every time I have read that in here. I would surly have 40-50 extra ISK..  |

terzslave
RedStar Enterprises RA Citizens
75
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Posted - 2012.12.10 09:24:00 -
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It's funny, because of this I'm interested in investing with them. |

shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
179
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Posted - 2012.12.10 13:57:00 -
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terzslave wrote:It's funny, because of this I'm interested in investing with them.
its even more funny that you gona invest with them, you little try*+rd Boost T2 BPO`s! |

shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
179
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Posted - 2012.12.10 14:19:00 -
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Ash Holloway wrote:We are going to look into this matter further. We are all about transperancy, the one concern is whether or not some sensitive items we trade will be revealed. We have found a few "market gems" that we keep to ourselves.
thats kindoff understandable but the existance of these ships is something that you came up with...proving that wouldnt lift any secrets at all, just if you said the truth or not.
Boost T2 BPO`s! |

Ash Holloway
New Eden Trade Group
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:58:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:[quote=Ash Holloway]We are going to look into this matter further. We are all about transperancy, the one concern is whether or not some sensitive items we trade will be revealed. We have found a few "market gems" that we keep to ourselves.
I see, typically I prove the existence of assets/isk by showing/modifying buy and sell orders while speaking to a potential client over convo. This is what I was trying to do with the original poster.
I admit I was a bit harsh, but I'm tired of all the negativity. |

Darges Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:18:00 -
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Market gems, i find them, and then they change within a matter of days when other people see them. Dominate the high sec market? You understand how many traders actually work in high sec?
Im happy this came to the forums tbh. Anyone who actually wants to dominate the high sec market will make my isk making harder, but the convo proves you're either a scammer, a lier, both or just an arrogant and general nasty person. Way to give us all a heads up op, and ash, you want to dominate the high sec markets, yet you talk to people like they're nothing? Fantastic business right there,
Seriously, thankyou for ruining yourself and the "wealthy" people you work with. |

shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
179
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:33:00 -
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Ash Holloway wrote: I admit I was a bit harsh, but I'm tired of all the negativity.
hahaha be more bu**mad about ppl beeing suspicious of your incredible lame scam attempt...
I miss good old times when scamming was more than stupidly copying former scams. On a scale of 1 (jita local) to 10 (phaser inc, T4U, GH-SC), im giving you a solid 1,5 tho, just because you were so cute when playing offended
Boost T2 BPO`s! |

Ash Holloway
New Eden Trade Group
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:45:00 -
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Darges Solette wrote:Market gems, i find them, and then they change within a matter of days when other people see them. Dominate the high sec market? You understand how many traders actually work in high sec?
Im happy this came to the forums tbh. Anyone who actually wants to dominate the high sec market will make my isk making harder, but the convo proves you're either a scammer, a lier, both or just an arrogant and general nasty person. Way to give us all a heads up op, and ash, you want to dominate the high sec markets, yet you talk to people like they're nothing? Fantastic business right there,
Seriously, thankyou for ruining yourself and the "wealthy" people you work with.
1. My meaning of "market gem" and yours differs. The margin made on my most prized gem has remained about the same for about a year now. 250-350% profit and next to no competition, that is a gem.
2. Dominate may be too strong of a word, but time will tell. What i meant to say is that we will have a significant influence on the sales of select high profile items. it may seem impossible, but someday you will remember this thread and know what I mean. NETG is made up of close real life friends, so we delegate the work load to insure consistency and prevent burn out.
3. I talk to people who insult me like they are nothing, because they are. You are taking the use of "wealthy" out of context. I mentioned being wealthy because IGÇÖm trying to make the point that I don't need to scam players because I have enough isk. I'm not trying to brag. What we donGÇÖt have is a community wide identity, that is the goal. Someday we will be the largest trade group in EVE.
Fly safe mate and good luck with your future market ventures.
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Ash Holloway
New Eden Trade Group
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 20:48:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:Ash Holloway wrote: I admit I was a bit harsh, but I'm tired of all the negativity.
hahaha be more bu**mad about ppl beeing suspicious of your incredible lame scam attempt... I miss good old times when scamming was more than stupidly copying former scams. On a scale of 1 (jita local) to 10 (phaser inc, T4U, GH-SC), im giving you a solid 1,5 tho, just because you were so cute when playing offended
We should have a convo in game sometime so i can show you our stock. Let me know if you are interested.
For now I'm done here. Thanks for posting everyone, I have gained valuable food for thought. We are brainstorming ways we can use the MD forums to get more information about us out.
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Cap James Tkirk
Magellan Corporation Jokers Wild.
47
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:42:00 -
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API showing your wealth and assets you claim or STFU cause your scam was busted open like a beached whale by hungry penguins |

Nero Askulf
Peripety
0
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Posted - 2012.12.19 22:48:00 -
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The only thing the convo in the original post demonstrates to me is poor reading skills. It's nonsensical, but hardly threatening. |

shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
185
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Posted - 2012.12.20 03:49:00 -
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Nero Askulf wrote:The only thing the convo in the original post demonstrates to me is poor reading skills. It's nonsensical, but hardly threatening.
suddenly, alt-post Boost T2 BPO`s! |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
1
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Posted - 2012.12.20 05:13:00 -
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No alt posts here, shar'ra? you ever take ash up on an in game convo? |

shar'ra matcevsovski
white knightess
185
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Posted - 2012.12.20 05:32:00 -
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The Fukuzawa wrote:No alt posts here
ofc not! not even the guy who wasted his very first post by white-knighting this most obvious scam...
The Fukuzawa wrote: you ever take ash up on an in game convo?
im affraid your overestimating your scamming skills, if you think that would help you with anything. Boost T2 BPO`s! |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
1
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Posted - 2012.12.20 05:48:00 -
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shar'ra matcevsovski wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote:No alt posts here ofc not! not even the guy who wasted his very first post by white-knighting this most obvious scam... The Fukuzawa wrote: you ever take ash up on an in game convo?
im affraid your overestimating your scamming skills, if you think that would help you with anything.
From what I understand he wanted to prove his statement about our cap ship inventory. I cant help but to think it wouldnt matter. Everyone has every right to think we are scammers, and I understand why. This post has only hurt us, honestly I wish it would have never been created. That said, its an opportunity to get our mission statement out there, we will succeed, we will become the most well known and largest trade entity in Eve Online.
Fly safe gentlemen.
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The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
10
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Posted - 2012.12.28 03:36:00 -
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We have decided that we are going to be releasing an offering announcement in Market Discussion forum soon. This is something that we have been hesitant to do because of fear of members of the community making baseless attacks on us. At this point players have been placing bounties on our corp with no evidence that we have wronged anyone. I expect our bounties to increase significantly after making this post, however we have a great business plan, a great team of real life friends, and the knowledge to succeed.
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Cooyaw
Cajun Fast Mart
3
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Posted - 2013.01.10 20:50:00 -
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lol, lol, and lol
I just LOOOOVEEE these players that are here to TAKE OVER ZEEE UNIVERSE!!!!!!
you sound like a children, it's so cute,
i want a puppy and a mountain and a spaceship and a river made of dr. pepper and a dragon named winnie the pooh and i never want to eat green beans again!!!
you're a joke bro, anyone who has to flex nuts to save face is just doomed to put the nails in their own coffin
Market Gems!!! is it a secret jove item none of us have heard about? are you selling t3 jump freighters? seriously man, there are niches all over the place, thinking that you are the only one who knows about anything in this game further proves your utter foolishness.
i know this is mean, and i'm generally a nice dude on the forums, but i hope your corp burns like crappy plywood paneled trailer house. |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
16
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:00:00 -
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Cooyaw wrote:lol, lol, and lol
I just LOOOOVEEE these players that are here to TAKE OVER ZEEE UNIVERSE!!!!!!
you sound like a children, it's so cute,
i want a puppy and a mountain and a spaceship and a river made of dr. pepper and a dragon named winnie the pooh and i never want to eat green beans again!!!
you're a joke bro, anyone who has to flex nuts to save face is just doomed to put the nails in their own coffin
Market Gems!!! is it a secret jove item none of us have heard about? are you selling t3 jump freighters? seriously man, there are niches all over the place, thinking that you are the only one who knows about anything in this game further proves your utter foolishness.
i know this is mean, and i'm generally a nice dude on the forums, but i hope your corp burns like crappy plywood paneled trailer house.
Haha thanks for the entertaining read.
Perhaps we use too strong of words when describing our goal. A softer statement would be that we will have a large footprint in the market.
As far as market gems, or niches, or what ever you want to call them, you are foolish if you think there are not items in game that few trade because the value isnt so obvious.
If it does burn, its going to be slow and drawn out. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:25:00 -
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These IPOs are really all just so dang cute.
Corp: HELLO EVERYONE. WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY ALREADY AND YOUR INVESTMENT WILL BE A GREAT ONE. YOU WILL GET SO MUCH MONEY IN RETURN OK????? OK?!
Everyone Else: So then Why Are you having an IPO in the first place?
Corp: .........WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.....
My advice to you, New eden trade group. Can the IPO plan. from what you have described you guys sound like you are doing great. You won't need investors money to stay afloat ( which is essentially what an IPO is )
IPOs in general are shitty business in eve. Steer clear of them |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
16
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:35:00 -
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Alex Grison wrote:These IPOs are really all just so dang cute.
Corp: HELLO EVERYONE. WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY ALREADY AND YOUR INVESTMENT WILL BE A GREAT ONE. YOU WILL GET SO MUCH MONEY IN RETURN OK????? OK?!
Everyone Else: So then Why Are you having an IPO in the first place?
Corp: .........WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.....
My advice to you, New eden trade group. Can the IPO plan. from what you have described you guys sound like you are doing great. You won't need investors money to stay afloat ( which is essentially what an IPO is )
IPOs in general are shitty business in eve. Steer clear of them
The second line of this post is very accurate, then it just goes to ****.
This isnt an IPO, we are an established trade business. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:40:00 -
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The Fukuzawa wrote:Alex Grison wrote:These IPOs are really all just so dang cute.
Corp: HELLO EVERYONE. WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY ALREADY AND YOUR INVESTMENT WILL BE A GREAT ONE. YOU WILL GET SO MUCH MONEY IN RETURN OK????? OK?!
Everyone Else: So then Why Are you having an IPO in the first place?
Corp: .........WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD.....
My advice to you, New eden trade group. Can the IPO plan. from what you have described you guys sound like you are doing great. You won't need investors money to stay afloat ( which is essentially what an IPO is )
IPOs in general are shitty business in eve. Steer clear of them The second line of this post is very accurate, then it just goes to ****. This isnt an IPO, we are an established trade business.
""We have decided that we are going to be releasing an offering announcement""
In case you weren't aware IPO = Initial Public Offering.
Sounds a lot like an IPO to me. |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
16
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:43:00 -
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there is nothing initial about it.
The corp has been around for more than six months, we have been trading with borrowed money for far longer. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:49:00 -
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The Fukuzawa wrote:there is nothing initial about it.
The corp has been around for more than six months, we have been trading with borrowed isk for far longer.
My second piece of advice to you is to actually learn a teeny bit about the investment world before you come on here and try to run some nonsense ponzi scheme. an IPO is simply when a company offers shares ( equity ) to the public. an IPO **does not** mean that the company is not established already.
You could start a corporation IRL. and not have an IPO ever. Or you could be a world known name before having an IPO. ( such as facebook ) which recently went public last year.
You have pretty much just doomed yourself with what you have just said. btw. it was one of those Not-sure-if-trolling-or-just-stupid things. |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
22
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:52:00 -
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We are not offering shares |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
22
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:54:00 -
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Alex Grison wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote:there is nothing initial about it.
The corp has been around for more than six months, we have been trading with borrowed isk for far longer. My second piece of advice to you is to actually learn a teeny bit about the investment world before you come on here and try to run some nonsense ponzi scheme. an IPO is simply when a company offers shares ( equity ) to the public. an IPO **does not** mean that the company is not established already.
You could start a corporation IRL. and not have an IPO ever. Or you could be a world known name before having an IPO. ( such as facebook ) which recently went public last year.You have pretty much just doomed yourself with what you have just said. btw. it was one of those Not-sure-if-trolling-or-just-stupid things.
All this doesnt apply, we are asking for loans. I think you are the one that is coming off as stupid. |

Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
7
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:55:00 -
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Alex Grison wrote:These IPOs are really all just so dang cute.
About as refreshing as the trolls in them aren't they.
Ebin :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.10 22:58:00 -
[35] - Quote
The Fukuzawa wrote:Alex Grison wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote:there is nothing initial about it.
The corp has been around for more than six months, we have been trading with borrowed isk for far longer. My second piece of advice to you is to actually learn a teeny bit about the investment world before you come on here and try to run some nonsense ponzi scheme. an IPO is simply when a company offers shares ( equity ) to the public. an IPO **does not** mean that the company is not established already.
You could start a corporation IRL. and not have an IPO ever. Or you could be a world known name before having an IPO. ( such as facebook ) which recently went public last year.You have pretty much just doomed yourself with what you have just said. btw. it was one of those Not-sure-if-trolling-or-just-stupid things. All this doesnt apply, we are asking for loans. I think you are the one that is coming off as stupid.
lol |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
24
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:02:00 -
[36] - Quote
Whats funny? |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:07:00 -
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The Fukuzawa wrote:Whats funny?
oh stop it you ^____^ |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
26
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:09:00 -
[38] - Quote
Alex Grison wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote:Whats funny? oh stop it you ^____^
Now i want you to explain to me how a company share is the same as a loan.
And go... |

Cooyaw
Cajun Fast Mart
3
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:11:00 -
[39] - Quote
eeef daff deaf durr neef niff |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:12:00 -
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Cooyaw wrote:eeef daff deaf durr neef niff
DURGEN DURGEN. WAAAA WUB YA YA YA BLERRRRRRR DUHDUHDUH BLERR DUHDUH BLERR DERDER WAAA |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
26
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:20:00 -
[41] - Quote
So i take it you wont be explaining to me how a company share is the same as a loan?
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Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:23:00 -
[42] - Quote
The Fukuzawa wrote:So i take it you wont be explaining to me how a company share is the same as a loan?
A share of a company is not the same as a loan.
But a company issues Bonds or shares for the same reason which is to raise capital because they don't have enough money. |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
26
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:30:00 -
[43] - Quote
Alex Grison wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote:So i take it you wont be explaining to me how a company share is the same as a loan?
A share of a company is not the same as a loan. But a company issues Bonds or shares for the same reason which is to raise capital because they don't have enough money.
Right, i think i know a bit more about business then you do bub.
If you continue to follow what my corp does in MD you will see that the second part of your post is inaccurate. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:39:00 -
[44] - Quote
The Fukuzawa wrote:Alex Grison wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote:So i take it you wont be explaining to me how a company share is the same as a loan?
A share of a company is not the same as a loan. But a company issues Bonds or shares for the same reason which is to raise capital because they don't have enough money. Right, i think i know a bit more about business then you do bub. If you continue to follow what my corp does in MD you will see that the second part of your post is inaccurate.
you are free to think as you wish |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
289
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:41:00 -
[45] - Quote
Both are utterly meaningless in Eve, and the fancy equivalents of an iou.
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Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
289
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:44:00 -
[46] - Quote
The Fukuzawa wrote:If you continue to follow what my corp does in MD you will see that the second part of your post is inaccurate.
No, he's exactly right. They raise capital until their projected returns on that additional capital no longer outweigh the cost of acquiring it. The selection of issuing bonds or creating additional shares comes down to local regulatory and tax treatment of different investment vehicles. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.10 23:44:00 -
[47] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:Both are utterly meaningless in Eve, and the fancy equivalents of an iou.
UDDERLY MEANINGLESS
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ba dum tshhhhhhh |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
26
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:00:00 -
[48] - Quote
We are just going to use the word "loan" for now on... |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:10:00 -
[49] - Quote
The Fukuzawa wrote:We are just going to use the word "loan" for now on...
this changes nothing.
If you guys are already successful why do you need to take out a loan?
Also if you want to have any chance at real investors you will provide a full API key. Including market orders, transactions and wallet info. |

The Fukuzawa
New Eden Trade Group
29
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:35:00 -
[50] - Quote
Alex Grison wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote:We are just going to use the word "loan" for now on... this changes nothing. If you guys are already successful why do you need to take out a loan? Also if you want to have any chance at real investors you will provide a full API key. Including market orders, transactions and wallet info.
No **** Alex...
There will be no API released. We have "market gems" to protect.
There will be no business plan released. Im not going to lend any value to the cynical Market Discussion forum.
There will be full collateral provided to trusted 3rd parties for secured loan requests.
If players want to do business with us great, if not great.
Either way we will reach our market goal, we will be a common name in game, and will have a large footprint in the market.
That is all.
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Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:37:00 -
[51] - Quote
The Fukuzawa wrote:Alex Grison wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote:We are just going to use the word "loan" for now on... this changes nothing. If you guys are already successful why do you need to take out a loan? Also if you want to have any chance at real investors you will provide a full API key. Including market orders, transactions and wallet info. No **** Alex... There will be no API released. We have "market gems" to protect. There will be no business plan released. Im not going to lend any value to the cynical Market Discussion forum. There will be full collateral provided to trusted 3rd parties for secured loan requests. If players want to do business with us great, if not great. Either way we will reach our market goal, we will be a common name in game, and will have a large footprint in the market. That is all.
oh I like this guy. |

Candy Oshea
Techfree Investment Group
9
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:41:00 -
[52] - Quote
The Fukuzawa wrote: There will be no business plan released. Im not going to lend any value to the cynical Market Discussion forum.
Its time. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
9
|
Posted - 2013.01.11 00:42:00 -
[53] - Quote
Candy Oshea wrote:The Fukuzawa wrote: There will be no business plan released. Im not going to lend any value to the cynical Market Discussion forum.
Its time.
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Primicerius
Aeternam Tenebris
4
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:48:00 -
[54] - Quote
/thread of the year |

Emma d'Acques
Vault Asset Management
22
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Posted - 2013.01.11 06:40:00 -
[55] - Quote
The Fukuzawa wrote:
No **** Alex...
There will be no API released. We have "market gems" to protect.
There will be no business plan released. Im not going to lend any value to the cynical Market Discussion forum.
There will be full collateral provided to trusted 3rd parties for secured loan requests.
If players want to do business with us great, if not great.
Either way we will reach our market goal, we will be a common name in game, and will have a large footprint in the market.
That is all.
Where's Jerry Pepridge when you need him? Seriously, what happened to Pepridge? This would be the kind of investment he was always looking for.
@The Fukuzawa: I thank you Sir, for making my morning this fun, now I feel like nothing can go wrong today! I'm not totally useless, I can be used as a bad example. |

Cooyaw
Cajun Fast Mart
10
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 03:12:00 -
[56] - Quote
Necro!!!!!!! I miss the Charlie brown voices..... Womp Womp Womp Womp Womp Womp Womp |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
69
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 04:13:00 -
[57] - Quote
Cooyaw wrote:Necro!!!!!!! I miss the Charlie brown voices..... Womp Womp Womp Womp Womp Womp Womp
ITS TIME FOR SOME DUB... WAAA WAAA DERDERDERDER DYEYEDYEDYEYEDE YAAAAAAA GRRRRGRR GUG-GUG YAAA |

Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
0
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Posted - 2013.01.24 06:11:00 -
[58] - Quote
Emma d'Acques wrote: Where's Jerry Pepridge when you need him? Seriously, what happened to Pepridge? This would be the kind of investment he was always looking for.
I think the more important question is how are you and how to you know me.
i biomass the original jerry, then some buttsore MD guy made the character and stole the name. so i couldn't be bothered making a new toon until now.
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Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
13
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 18:02:00 -
[59] - Quote
Offtopic:
... I mean, alright... Fellaz got their "way" of doing business. Like it or not. Scam or not.
But Mr. Grison, do you have to stick your nose and apply your idiotic behavior on EVERY business endeavour on the forums? This is basicly a question, so "yes" or "no" will do. Save your mindset for someone more patient.
Every time I get a slight hint of your avatar being around I know I'm going to read some biased sceptical diarrhea or behold the 12y/o mumbling with several Economics 101 terms involved. I doubt that anyone is interested in it.
DRINK COFFEE. Do stupid things Faster with More Energy. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
69
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 18:24:00 -
[60] - Quote
Claire Coffee wrote:Offtopic:
... I mean, alright... Fellaz got their "way" of doing business. Like it or not. Scam or not.
But Mr. Grison, do you have to stick your nose in and apply your idiotic behavior to EVERY business endeavour on the forums? This is basicly a question, so "yes" or "no" will do. Save your mindset for someone more patient.
Every time I get a slight hint of your avatar being around I know I'm going to read some biased sceptical diarrhea or behold the 12y/o mumbling with several Economics 101 terms involved. I doubt that anyone is interested in it.
Yes :D
And I've never taken Economics 101 I don't like school much. |

Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
20
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 18:45:00 -
[61] - Quote
Alex Grison wrote:
Yes :D
And I've never taken Economics 101 I don't like school much.
thank you for the answer. DRINK COFFEE. Do stupid things Faster with More Energy. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
69
|
Posted - 2013.01.24 18:51:00 -
[62] - Quote
Claire Coffee wrote:Alex Grison wrote:
Yes :D
And I've never taken Economics 101 I don't like school much.
thank you for the answer.
lol no problem |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3745
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 01:25:00 -
[63] - Quote
Claire Coffee wrote:Offtopic:
... I mean, alright... Fellaz got their "way" of doing business. Like it or not. Scam or not.
But Mr. Grison, do you have to stick your nose in and apply your idiotic behavior to EVERY business endeavour on the forums? This is basicly a question, so "yes" or "no" will do. Save your mindset for someone more patient.
Every time I get a slight hint of your avatar being around I know I'm going to read some biased sceptical diarrhea or behold the 12y/o mumbling with several Economics 101 terms involved. I doubt that anyone is interested in it.
That's some "crowd post liking" you got with your post  Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
Twitter channel |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
70
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 01:32:00 -
[64] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Claire Coffee wrote:Offtopic:
... I mean, alright... Fellaz got their "way" of doing business. Like it or not. Scam or not.
But Mr. Grison, do you have to stick your nose in and apply your idiotic behavior to EVERY business endeavour on the forums? This is basicly a question, so "yes" or "no" will do. Save your mindset for someone more patient.
Every time I get a slight hint of your avatar being around I know I'm going to read some biased sceptical diarrhea or behold the 12y/o mumbling with several Economics 101 terms involved. I doubt that anyone is interested in it. That's some "crowd post liking" you got with your post 
she is so popular |

Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
24
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 14:41:00 -
[65] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:That's some "crowd post liking" you got with your post 
Who would have expected, right? 
Alex Grison wrote: she is so popular
Oh, it wasn't about me, in fact it was about you  DRINK COFFEE. Do stupid things Faster with More Energy. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
71
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 16:26:00 -
[66] - Quote
Claire Coffee wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:That's some "crowd post liking" you got with your post  Who would have expected, right?  Alex Grison wrote: she is so popular
Oh, it wasn't about me, in fact it was about you 
cool. Im at work eating a donut right now. Sometimes when nobody is around, I will stand in the break room and pretend to be a vending machine |

Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
375
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 16:34:00 -
[67] - Quote
Keep fighting the good fight, Alex. Don't take any guff from these swine. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
71
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 16:38:00 -
[68] - Quote
Varius Xeral wrote:Keep fighting the good fight, Alex. Don't take any guff from these swine.
Funny story about swine, They were cooking bacon today as a part of breakfast. But I decided not to have any because its not very good for you :( |

Claire Coffee
Coffee Inc
24
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 16:42:00 -
[69] - Quote
Here comes the cavalry with tiny violins. The performance is literally mindblowing.  DRINK COFFEE. Do stupid things Faster with More Energy. |

Alex Grison
Grison Interstellar
71
|
Posted - 2013.01.25 16:43:00 -
[70] - Quote
Claire Coffee wrote:Here comes the cavalry with tiny violins. The performance is literally mindblowing. 
What are we even talking about. I am confused |

Artimus Nahlaby
Federation of Awesome
0
|
Posted - 2013.01.30 09:11:00 -
[71] - Quote
I think what we learned here is; If you are trying to become a business of any type, ALWAYS be polite to potential customers. It doesn't matter how rude someone is being to you, if you are becoming bothered by a player, remain polite and, wait for it.......dary. But really, ask them to please stop. If you are getting mad, the best thing to do is ignore them or tell them you will talk to them when they can behave themselves. As long as you are polite and professional, you will maintain the upper hand in any situation. Once you let them get to you, especially if you have to use a word that needs to be censored, you will only appear arrogant and immature. Honestly, I think your biggest concern for investment right now should be a representative. Someone to keep to the plan and represent your company face with dignity and integrity. I think this entire post just sheds negative light on yourselves. Whether or not you are scamming, this post only shows negative on your behalf. The initial conversation with Jaiken is rather offensive and you continued to feed the trolls through out this post. Honestly, if I were your corp leader, I would return all investments(to show good faith) and start a new corporation(let the former investors know in case they would like to return) and maybe take out your very conquistador-esque mission plan. Present yourselves in a very positive and friendly light.
Safe travels everyone and remember, "Don't feed the trolls."
Artimus |
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