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Jaiken Battlestar Federation Black Core Alliance 0	Posted - 2012.12.09 00:55:00 - [1] - Quote I'm not trying to bash anyone who is running a legitimate business. I was willing to invest in the Phaser Inc. corp when it was running. Many pilots will remember that fiasco. I was lucky to escape with most of my investment before they booked it. I saw Ash Holloway advertising for a similar corporation in local and wanted to determine if they were doing the same thing so I convo'd him. Keep in mind that if he was able to keep my interest i would have been willing to part with billions. Here is my convo verbatim. [00:41:22] Ash Holloway > whats up [00:41:23] Jaiken > hello [00:41:27] Jaiken > i've got a question [00:41:31] Ash Holloway > shoot [00:41:44] Jaiken > what is the difference between what you're corp is doing and phazer inc. [00:42:30] Ash Holloway > what region are you in? [00:42:39] Ash Holloway > im dealing with other clients so bare with me [00:42:43] Ash Holloway > region? [00:43:04] Jaiken > i'm based in Malpais [00:43:37] Ash Holloway > is that the current region you are in [00:43:43] Ash Holloway > im trying to show you our orders [00:43:54] Jaiken > ahh. currently i'm in The Citadel [00:44:37] Ash Holloway > eh im the account manager for metropalis, sinq lasion, and heimatar [00:45:00] Jaiken > what doest that mean? [00:45:12] Ash Holloway > we have 5-7 jump freighters, 18 freighters, and 25 carriers for sale on the market [00:45:24] Ash Holloway > and buy orders for all cap ships.... [00:45:26] Ash Holloway > 1 sex [00:46:30] Jaiken > are u familiar with the corp Phaser Inc.? [00:46:36] Ash Holloway > we offer collateral [00:46:45] Ash Holloway > we are all wealthy [00:46:56] Ash Holloway > we want to be known as the biggest trade group in eve [00:47:03] Ash Holloway > we want to dominate the high sec markets [00:47:12] Ash Holloway > and honestly i dont give a **** what you think [00:47:14] Ash Holloway > fly safe This convo was on 2012.12.09 Infer from this what you will but I can tell you that I will not be parting with any isk to intrust in these people.
Ash Holloway New Eden Trade Group 0	Posted - 2012.12.09 02:38:00 - [2] - Quote Yep, that is exactly how the convo went down. You are bashing me for assuming and questioning our intentions in the way you did. Just because you were scammed doesnt mean everyone is out to scam players. I was trying to explain to you how we operate and proove to you that we do have the market knowledge to operate the way we claim. Also, hold on to your billions, we have plenty and dont care to help players like you earn isk. Fly safe and good luck in your future ventures.
Tul Breetai Impromptu Asset Requisition Insurance Fraud. 56	Posted - 2012.12.09 07:44:00 - [3] - Quote /popcorn There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 179	Posted - 2012.12.09 09:12:00 - [4] - Quote Ash Holloway wrote: Yep, that is exactly how the convo went down. You are bashing me for assuming and questioning our intentions in the way you did. Just because you were scammed doesnt mean everyone is out to scam players. I was trying to explain to you how we operate and proove to you that we do have the market knowledge and funds to operate the way we claim. Also, hold on to your billions, we have plenty and dont care to help players like you earn isk. Fly safe and good luck in your future ventures. fair enough, why dont you show us some real proof of your doing then, something like an api key for example? let me guess, its your rule to not do that, rite? Boost T2 BPO`s!
Ash Holloway New Eden Trade Group 0	Posted - 2012.12.09 11:30:00 - [5] - Quote Depends on what the api key shows.
Annunaki soldier Segmentum Solar Intrepid Crossing 4	Posted - 2012.12.09 12:30:00 - [6] - Quote /popcorn and cola
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 179	Posted - 2012.12.09 12:49:00 - [7] - Quote Ash Holloway wrote: Depends on what the api key shows. read carefully....the part that proves your business, ofc. in example the existance of the mentioned 7 Jump freighters, 25 Carriers and 18 normal freighters that you are (supposedly) trading with...basicly anything that tells us that your really having a business. Boost T2 BPO`s!
Ash Holloway New Eden Trade Group 0	Posted - 2012.12.10 03:11:00 - [8] - Quote We are going to look into this matter further. We are all about transperancy, the one concern is whether or not some sensitive items we trade will be revealed. We have found a few "market gems" that we keep to ourselves.
Tom Hagen Twilight Empire Blazing Angels Alliance 96	Posted - 2012.12.10 04:27:00 - [9] - Quote Cute! If I only had an ISK for every time I have read that in here. I would surly have 40-50 extra ISK..
terzslave RedStar Enterprises RA Citizens 75	Posted - 2012.12.10 09:24:00 - [10] - Quote It's funny, because of this I'm interested in investing with them.

shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 179	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:57:00 - [11] - Quote terzslave wrote: It's funny, because of this I'm interested in investing with them. its even more funny that you gona invest with them, you little try*+rd Boost T2 BPO`s!
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 179	Posted - 2012.12.10 14:19:00 - [12] - Quote Ash Holloway wrote: We are going to look into this matter further. We are all about transperancy, the one concern is whether or not some sensitive items we trade will be revealed. We have found a few "market gems" that we keep to ourselves. thats kindoff understandable but the existance of these ships is something that you came up with...proving that wouldnt lift any secrets at all, just if you said the truth or not. Boost T2 BPO`s!
Ash Holloway New Eden Trade Group 0	Posted - 2012.12.10 18:58:00 - [13] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: [quote=Ash Holloway]We are going to look into this matter further. We are all about transperancy, the one concern is whether or not some sensitive items we trade will be revealed. We have found a few "market gems" that we keep to ourselves. I see, typically I prove the existence of assets/isk by showing/modifying buy and sell orders while speaking to a potential client over convo. This is what I was trying to do with the original poster. I admit I was a bit harsh, but I'm tired of all the negativity.
Darges Solette Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 14	Posted - 2012.12.10 19:18:00 - [14] - Quote Market gems, i find them, and then they change within a matter of days when other people see them. Dominate the high sec market? You understand how many traders actually work in high sec? Im happy this came to the forums tbh. Anyone who actually wants to dominate the high sec market will make my isk making harder, but the convo proves you're either a scammer, a lier, both or just an arrogant and general nasty person. Way to give us all a heads up op, and ash, you want to dominate the high sec markets, yet you talk to people like they're nothing? Fantastic business right there, Seriously, thankyou for ruining yourself and the "wealthy" people you work with.
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 179	Posted - 2012.12.10 20:33:00 - [15] - Quote Ash Holloway wrote: I admit I was a bit harsh, but I'm tired of all the negativity. hahaha be more bu**mad about ppl beeing suspicious of your incredible lame scam attempt... I miss good old times when scamming was more than stupidly copying former scams. On a scale of 1 (jita local) to 10 (phaser inc, T4U, GH-SC), im giving you a solid 1,5 tho, just because you were so cute when playing offended Boost T2 BPO`s!
Ash Holloway New Eden Trade Group 0	Posted - 2012.12.10 20:45:00 - [16] - Quote Darges Solette wrote: Market gems, i find them, and then they change within a matter of days when other people see them. Dominate the high sec market? You understand how many traders actually work in high sec? Im happy this came to the forums tbh. Anyone who actually wants to dominate the high sec market will make my isk making harder, but the convo proves you're either a scammer, a lier, both or just an arrogant and general nasty person. Way to give us all a heads up op, and ash, you want to dominate the high sec markets, yet you talk to people like they're nothing? Fantastic business right there, Seriously, thankyou for ruining yourself and the "wealthy" people you work with. 1. My meaning of "market gem" and yours differs. The margin made on my most prized gem has remained about the same for about a year now. 250-350% profit and next to no competition, that is a gem. 2. Dominate may be too strong of a word, but time will tell. What i meant to say is that we will have a significant influence on the sales of select high profile items. it may seem impossible, but someday you will remember this thread and know what I mean. NETG is made up of close real life friends, so we delegate the work load to insure consistency and prevent burn out. 3. I talk to people who insult me like they are nothing, because they are. You are taking the use of "wealthy" out of context. I mentioned being wealthy because IGÇÖm trying to make the point that I don't need to scam players because I have enough isk. I'm not trying to brag. What we donGÇÖt have is a community wide identity, that is the goal. Someday we will be the largest trade group in EVE. Fly safe mate and good luck with your future market ventures.
Ash Holloway New Eden Trade Group 0	Posted - 2012.12.10 20:48:00 - [17] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: Ash Holloway wrote: I admit I was a bit harsh, but I'm tired of all the negativity. hahaha be more bu**mad about ppl beeing suspicious of your incredible lame scam attempt... I miss good old times when scamming was more than stupidly copying former scams. On a scale of 1 (jita local) to 10 (phaser inc, T4U, GH-SC), im giving you a solid 1,5 tho, just because you were so cute when playing offended We should have a convo in game sometime so i can show you our stock. Let me know if you are interested. For now I'm done here. Thanks for posting everyone, I have gained valuable food for thought. We are brainstorming ways we can use the MD forums to get more information about us out.
Cap James Tkirk Magellan Corporation Jokers Wild. 47	Posted - 2012.12.12 00:42:00 - [18] - Quote API showing your wealth and assets you claim or STFU cause your scam was busted open like a beached whale by hungry penguins
Nero Askulf Peripety 0	Posted - 2012.12.19 22:48:00 - [19] - Quote The only thing the convo in the original post demonstrates to me is poor reading skills. It's nonsensical, but hardly threatening.
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 185	Posted - 2012.12.20 03:49:00 - [20] - Quote Nero Askulf wrote: The only thing the convo in the original post demonstrates to me is poor reading skills. It's nonsensical, but hardly threatening. suddenly, alt-post Boost T2 BPO`s!

The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 1	Posted - 2012.12.20 05:13:00 - [21] - Quote No alt posts here, shar'ra? you ever take ash up on an in game convo?
shar'ra matcevsovski white knightess 185	Posted - 2012.12.20 05:32:00 - [22] - Quote The Fukuzawa wrote: No alt posts here ofc not! not even the guy who wasted his very first post by white-knighting this most obvious scam... The Fukuzawa wrote: you ever take ash up on an in game convo? im affraid your overestimating your scamming skills, if you think that would help you with anything. Boost T2 BPO`s!
The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 1	Posted - 2012.12.20 05:48:00 - [23] - Quote shar'ra matcevsovski wrote: The Fukuzawa wrote: No alt posts here ofc not! not even the guy who wasted his very first post by white-knighting this most obvious scam... The Fukuzawa wrote: you ever take ash up on an in game convo? im affraid your overestimating your scamming skills, if you think that would help you with anything. From what I understand he wanted to prove his statement about our cap ship inventory. I cant help but to think it wouldnt matter. Everyone has every right to think we are scammers, and I understand why. This post has only hurt us, honestly I wish it would have never been created. That said, its an opportunity to get our mission statement out there, we will succeed, we will become the most well known and largest trade entity in Eve Online. Fly safe gentlemen.
The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 10	Posted - 2012.12.28 03:36:00 - [24] - Quote We have decided that we are going to be releasing an offering announcement in Market Discussion forum soon. This is something that we have been hesitant to do because of fear of members of the community making baseless attacks on us. At this point players have been placing bounties on our corp with no evidence that we have wronged anyone. I expect our bounties to increase significantly after making this post, however we have a great business plan, a great team of real life friends, and the knowledge to succeed.
Cooyaw Cajun Fast Mart 3	Posted - 2013.01.10 20:50:00 - [25] - Quote lol, lol, and lol I just LOOOOVEEE these players that are here to TAKE OVER ZEEE UNIVERSE!!!!!! you sound like a children, it's so cute, i want a puppy and a mountain and a spaceship and a river made of dr. pepper and a dragon named winnie the pooh and i never want to eat green beans again!!! you're a joke bro, anyone who has to flex nuts to save face is just doomed to put the nails in their own coffin Market Gems!!! is it a secret jove item none of us have heard about? are you selling t3 jump freighters? seriously man, there are niches all over the place, thinking that you are the only one who knows about anything in this game further proves your utter foolishness. i know this is mean, and i'm generally a nice dude on the forums, but i hope your corp burns like crappy plywood paneled trailer house.
The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 16	Posted - 2013.01.10 22:00:00 - [26] - Quote Cooyaw wrote: lol, lol, and lol I just LOOOOVEEE these players that are here to TAKE OVER ZEEE UNIVERSE!!!!!! you sound like a children, it's so cute, i want a puppy and a mountain and a spaceship and a river made of dr. pepper and a dragon named winnie the pooh and i never want to eat green beans again!!! you're a joke bro, anyone who has to flex nuts to save face is just doomed to put the nails in their own coffin Market Gems!!! is it a secret jove item none of us have heard about? are you selling t3 jump freighters? seriously man, there are niches all over the place, thinking that you are the only one who knows about anything in this game further proves your utter foolishness. i know this is mean, and i'm generally a nice dude on the forums, but i hope your corp burns like crappy plywood paneled trailer house. Haha thanks for the entertaining read. Perhaps we use too strong of words when describing our goal. A softer statement would be that we will have a large footprint in the market. As far as market gems, or niches, or what ever you want to call them, you are foolish if you think there are not items in game that few trade because the value isnt so obvious. If it does burn, its going to be slow and drawn out.
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 9	Posted - 2013.01.10 22:25:00 - [27] - Quote These IPOs are really all just so dang cute. Corp: HELLO EVERYONE. WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY ALREADY AND YOUR INVESTMENT WILL BE A GREAT ONE. YOU WILL GET SO MUCH MONEY IN RETURN OK????? OK?! Everyone Else: So then *Why* Are you having an IPO in the first place? Corp: .........WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD..... My advice to you, New eden trade group. Can the IPO plan. from what you have described you guys sound like you are doing great. You won't need investors money to stay afloat ( which is essentially what an IPO is ) IPOs in general are shitty business in eve. Steer clear of them
The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 16	Posted - 2013.01.10 22:35:00 - [28] - Quote Alex Grison wrote: These IPOs are really all just so dang cute. Corp: HELLO EVERYONE. WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY ALREADY AND YOUR INVESTMENT WILL BE A GREAT ONE. YOU WILL GET SO MUCH MONEY IN RETURN OK????? OK?! Everyone Else: So then *Why* Are you having an IPO in the first place? Corp: .........WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD..... My advice to you, New eden trade group. Can the IPO plan. from what you have described you guys sound like you are doing great. You won't need investors money to stay afloat ( which is essentially what an IPO is ) IPOs in general are shitty business in eve. Steer clear of them The second line of this post is very accurate, then it just goes to ****. This isnt an IPO, we are an established trade business.
Alex Grison Grison Interstellar 9	Posted - 2013.01.10 22:40:00 - [29] - Quote The Fukuzawa wrote: Alex Grison wrote: These IPOs are really all just so dang cute. Corp: HELLO EVERYONE. WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD WE HAVE SO MUCH MONEY ALREADY AND YOUR INVESTMENT WILL BE A GREAT ONE. YOU WILL GET SO MUCH MONEY IN RETURN OK????? OK?! Everyone Else: So then *Why* Are you having an IPO in the first place? Corp: .........WE ARE A SUPER SUCESSFULL. SUPER WEALTHY. SUPER EXPERIENCED GROUP OF TRADERS. WE ARE HAVING AN IPO. :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD..... My advice to you, New eden trade group. Can the IPO plan. from what you have described you guys sound like you are doing great. You won't need investors money to stay afloat ( which is essentially what an IPO is ) IPOs in general are shitty business in eve. Steer clear of them The second line of this post is very accurate, then it just goes to **. This isnt an IPO, we are an established trade business. ""We have decided that we are going to be releasing an offering announcement**"" In case you weren't aware IPO = Initial Public Offering. Sounds a lot like an IPO to me.
The Fukuzawa New Eden Trade Group 16	Posted - 2013.01.10 22:43:00 - [30] - Quote there is nothing initial about it. The corp has been around for more than six months, we have been trading with borrowed money for far longer.



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