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Remiel Pollard Austrollia Scrapyard. 313	Posted - 2012.12.09 04:08:00 - [1] - Quote Here's a fun fact: bounties make high-sec freighter ganks more profitable. Here's why. Before new bounty system: in examining whether or not a freighter is worth ganking, you had to factor in the cost of your losses due to suicide v. how much you would make from the freighter's hold. After new bounty system: now, you can include the extra you will get from the bounty, which will be even more based on the value of what's in the freighters hold provided the freighter pilot has a decent bounty on them. Discuss. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
baltec1 Bat Country 3153	Posted - 2012.12.09 04:12:00 - [2] - Quote Winter has come.
Aziesta Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now. 196	Posted - 2012.12.09 04:13:00 - [3] - Quote You also take into account your buddies' bounties, and make sure you get a shot off on them before concord shows up.
Toshiroma McDiesel Lupus Draconis Dragehund 50	Posted - 2012.12.09 04:20:00 - [4] - Quote Aziesta wrote: You also take into account your buddies' bounties, and make sure you get a shot off on them before concord shows up. This makes the equation ever so much more interesting *I"m not really the Evil One, I'm just his answering service.*
Ptraci 3 R Corporation The Irukandji 741	Posted - 2012.12.10 01:36:00 - [5] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Here's a fun fact: bounties make high-sec freighter ganks more profitable. Here's why. Before new bounty system: in examining whether or not a freighter is worth ganking, you had to factor in the cost of your losses due to suicide v. how much you would make from the freighter's hold. After new bounty system: now, you can include the extra you will get from the bounty, which will be even more based on the value of what's in the freighters hold provided the freighter pilot has a decent bounty on them. Discuss. NPC corp freighter alts still useful?
Frostys Virpio Caldari Provisions Caldari State 103	Posted - 2012.12.10 01:38:00 - [6] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Here's a fun fact: bounties make high-sec freighter ganks more profitable. Here's why. Before new bounty system: in examining whether or not a freighter is worth ganking, you had to factor in the cost of your losses due to suicide v. how much you would make from the freighter's hold. After new bounty system: now, you can include the extra you will get from the bounty, which will be even more based on the value of what's in the freighters hold provided the freighter pilot has a decent bounty on them. Discuss. NPC corp freighter alts still useful? Yes they are still usefull. Just don't haul too much value in the hold. Same as always.
Johan Civire Dirty Curse inc. 223	Posted - 2012.12.10 01:39:00 - [7] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Here's a fun fact: bounties make high-sec freighter ganks more profitable. Here's why. Before new bounty system: in examining whether or not a freighter is worth ganking, you had to factor in the cost of your losses due to suicide v. how much you would make from the freighter's hold. After new bounty system: now, you can include the extra you will get from the bounty, which will be even more based on the value of what's in the freighters hold provided the freighter pilot has a decent bounty on them. Discuss. NPC corp freighter alts still useful? Nope dont work anymore.. Put a bounty on them hunt them done.
Surfin's PlunderBunny The Python Cartel. 4100	Posted - 2012.12.10 01:42:00 - [8] - Quote Toshiroma McDiesel wrote: Aziesta wrote: You also take into account your buddies' bounties, and make sure you get a shot off on them before concord shows up. This makes the equation ever so much more interesting I hate variables "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Mars Theran Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 502	Posted - 2012.12.10 02:41:00 - [9] - Quote Another Fun fact: While considering a suspect flying in space today, I realized that not only was I likely to be able to gank his Proteus with my Thrasher , but he could immediately post killrights to his friends, potentially having them catch me before I dock if I did. The one thing I wasn't sure of, was if the killrights were applied immediately upon attacking being as success was no longer a requirement. Aggression is immediate = killrights would then be immediate? So either way, I thought of some interesting ideas after that. ..also, more in line with the OP; someone has to put a billion+ bounty on them first. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub
Surfin's PlunderBunny The Python Cartel. 4102	Posted - 2012.12.10 02:44:00 - [10] - Quote I just had a fun xmas gift I dea... on Dec 25 everyone gets killrights on everyone else for 24 hours! That would be awesome "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Tarvos Telesto Blood Fanatics 126	Posted - 2012.12.10 03:00:00 - [11] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Here's a fun fact: bounties make high-sec freighter ganks more profitable. Here's why. Before new bounty system: in examining whether or not a freighter is worth ganking, you had to factor in the cost of your losses due to suicide v. how much you would make from the freighter's hold. Discuss. Still people need like 8-10 tornados to gank one freighter, whole bounty amount (20%) split betwen all these players after kills, if freigher pilot got like 10mil bounty on him here no big reinbustment ( cost of losses) for this small amount of bounty. This efect may be stronger but who put like 1-10bil isk on freigter pilot, its more waste of money than profit form gank. EvE isn't game, its style of living.
Cannibal Kane Legion of Tears 820	Posted - 2012.12.10 05:07:00 - [12] - Quote Mars Theran wrote: Another Fun fact: While considering a suspect flying in space today, I realized that not only was I likely to be able to gank his Proteus with my Thrasher , but he could immediately post killrights to his friends, potentially having them catch me before I dock if I did. The one thing I wasn't sure of, was if the killrights were applied immediately upon attacking being as success was no longer a requirement. Aggression is immediate = killrights would then be immediate? So either way, I thought of some interesting ideas after that. ..also, more in line with the OP; someone has to put a billion+ bounty on them first. When you kill a suspect. They do not get kill rights to activate on you. He and him alone can shoot at you. However I have noticed that people fly around as a suspect in expensive ships have got Logi with them. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist. The Crazy Space Poor South African. *Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it.
Remiel Pollard Aliastra Gallente Federation 316	Posted - 2012.12.10 05:09:00 - [13] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I just had a fun xmas gift Idea... on Dec 25 everyone gets killrights on everyone else for 24 hours! That would be awesome Just for Christmas.... remove CONCORD. Screw killrights You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Aila Garris Hedion University Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2012.12.10 05:18:00 - [14] - Quote Alliances with large bounties on them may find their haulers in significantly more danger now. Bring on the NPC corp alts!
Eru GoEller State War Academy Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.12.10 05:57:00 - [15] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Here's a fun fact: bounties make high-sec freighter ganks more profitable. Here's why. Before new bounty system: in examining whether or not a freighter is worth ganking, you had to factor in the cost of your losses due to suicide v. how much you would make from the freighter's hold. After new bounty system: now, you can include the extra you will get from the bounty, which will be even more based on the value of what's in the freighters hold provided the freighter pilot has a decent bounty on them. Discuss. It's only profitable if someone else then your party have put up the bounty!
Remiel Pollard Aliastra Gallente Federation 316	Posted - 2012.12.10 06:17:00 - [16] - Quote Eru GoEller wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Here's a fun fact: bounties make high-sec freighter ganks more profitable. Here's why. Before new bounty system: in examining whether or not a freighter is worth ganking, you had to factor in the cost of your losses due to suicide v. how much you would make from the freighter's hold. After new bounty system: now, you can include the extra you will get from the bounty, which will be even more based on the value of what's in the freighters hold provided the freighter pilot has a decent bounty on them. Discuss. It's only profitable if someone else then your party have put up the bounty! Indeed, so it's still a "target of opportunity" system. In other words, nothing has changed except the added chance that a bountied freighter pilot with a valuable cargo on AP will come your way. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Sildan Smith Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 11	Posted - 2012.12.10 09:17:00 - [17] - Quote As much as I hate to encourage high sec ganking, someone brought up an interesting idea that would open up a possible exploit to the bounty system when suicide ganking. eg. 10 person freighter gank and if those 10 people have bounties make sure that you all have at least 1 laser targeted on each other.. pop the freighter like a pinata, get the freighter bounty, and then get the bounty from each other when concord blows you all up. Not sure how many people it takes to gank a freighter, but it's definitely an opportunity to clear your bounties and profit from them as well as getting the freighter loot.
Sentamon 342	Posted - 2012.12.10 11:04:00 - [18] - Quote Sildan Smith wrote: As much as I hate to encourage high sec ganking, someone brought up an interesting idea that would open up a possible exploit to the bounty system when suicide ganking. eg. 10 person freighter gank and if those 10 people have bounties make sure that you all have at least 1 laser targeted on each other.. pop the freighter like a pinata, get the freighter bounty, and then get the bounty from each other when concord blows you all up. Not sure how many people it takes to gank a freighter, but it's definitely an opportunity to clear your bounties and profit from them as well as getting the freighter loot. Sounds like it would work, but you'd only get 20% of the value of the crappy ship you used to gank with. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
Zheketri Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2012.12.10 11:39:00 - [19] - Quote Sentamon wrote: Sildan Smith wrote: As much as I hate to encourage high sec ganking, someone brought up an interesting idea that would open up a possible exploit to the bounty system when suicide ganking. eg. 10 person freighter gank and if those 10 people have bounties make sure that you all have at least 1 laser targeted on each other.. pop the freighter like a pinata, get the freighter bounty, and then get the bounty from each other when concord blows you all up. Not sure how many people it takes to gank a freighter, but it's definitely an opportunity to clear your bounties and profit from them as well as getting the freighter loot. Sounds like it would work, but you'd only get 20% of the value of the crappy ship you used to gank with. In the case of Ganking with Tornadoes, it could be worth it on it's own. However, I'm inclined to wonder if you need to apply actual damage to claim the bounty of would, say, a warp disruptor be enough. If it were the case you could carry a couple extra disruptors and spread them around your gank fleet as you get ready to die. That would a fair number of bounties to collect. (I suggest the warp disruptor only because you won't be able to warp anyways.) Might be a alot of button mashing, but if you're locking up all kinds of "friendlies" that could go a long way to deflating the gank costs. "Once you have taken his place, have you then defeated your enemy?"
Valari Nala Zena Perkone Caldari State 45	Posted - 2012.12.10 12:29:00 - [20] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: Ptraci wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Here's a fun fact: bounties make high-sec freighter ganks more profitable. Here's why. Before new bounty system: in examining whether or not a freighter is worth ganking, you had to factor in the cost of your losses due to suicide v. how much you would make from the freighter's hold. After new bounty system: now, you can include the extra you will get from the bounty, which will be even more based on the value of what's in the freighters hold provided the freighter pilot has a decent bounty on them. Discuss. NPC corp freighter alts still useful? Nope dont work anymore.. Put a bounty on them hunt them done. I got the next best project for goonswarm to spend their isk in: 1) Spot freighter alts in NPC corp with valuable cargo. 2) Put high bounty on them. 3) Repeat steps above forever. 4) No freighters are safe anymore, tears everywhere (aka profit) Or, allow everyone to put bounty on NPC corps.
Stitcher Re-Awakened Technologies Inc 367	Posted - 2012.12.10 12:58:00 - [21] - Quote the moral of the story being, if you're a freighter pilot, don't be stupid. Same as it was before, then. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 644	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:00:00 - [22] - Quote Get the hell out of the NPC corp and into a player corp where you can be wardecced and you can stop worrying about suicide ganks.
Remiel Pollard Aliastra Gallente Federation 321	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:08:00 - [23] - Quote Natsett Amuinn wrote: Get the hell out of the NPC corp and into a player corp where you can be wardecced and you can stop worrying about suicide ganks. Hi, thanks for your articulate contribution to my thread. I'm between corps at the moment, just had a very interesting offer today that will take 24-48 hours for validation, so I'm just kinda hanging atm. Check my employment history, and you'll see that I just left a corp that I spent but a measly two days with before I got the new offer. If you re-read my OP, you'll notice that I'm not expressing any worry about suicide ganks. I'm not a freighter pilot. In fact, I think I woud enjoy blowing one up. See you soon You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Lipbite Express Hauler 282	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:12:00 - [24] - Quote You will have to wait forever for freighter pilot with decent bounty. Also freighter price 1.5b + ~1b cargo resulting in 500m ISK bounty payout will deplete bounty pool very quickly.
Remiel Pollard Aliastra Gallente Federation 321	Posted - 2012.12.10 13:16:00 - [25] - Quote Lipbite wrote: You will have to wait forever for freighter pilot with decent bounty. Also freighter price 1.5b + ~1b cargo resulting in 500m ISK bounty payout will deplete bounty pool very quickly. That's what I'm talking about, nothing changes, you're still taking targets of opportunity, except now, the added variable of the bounties means there's an added chance of an increased payout. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 99	Posted - 2012.12.10 16:15:00 - [26] - Quote Johan Civire wrote: Nope dont work anymore.. Put a bounty on them hunt them done. Put a bounty on someone, then go kill them to collect back a portion of your own money? How does that make ANY sense?
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 99	Posted - 2012.12.10 16:23:00 - [27] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: I just had a fun xmas gift Idea... on Dec 25 everyone gets killrights on everyone else for 24 hours! That would be awesome I don't understand this. Results: 1) No hugh sec carebear undocks. 2) Low and null carebears only undock/leave the POS shield if local is empty. 3) People that like to PVP form up into roaming fleets looking for people to shoot, then spend the day trying to out maneuver each other, each fleet trying to only get into fights it is sure to win. Since it is impossible that a fight be "sure to win" by both sides, few actual fights occur. Other than the part where no high sec carebears even undock, how is that any different from any other day in EVE? Why would the high sec carebears not undocking be so awesome?
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1233	Posted - 2012.12.10 16:35:00 - [28] - Quote Sildan Smith wrote: As much as I hate to encourage high sec ganking, someone brought up an interesting idea that would open up a possible exploit to the bounty system when suicide ganking. eg. 10 person freighter gank and if those 10 people have bounties make sure that you all have at least 1 laser targeted on each other.. pop the freighter like a pinata, get the freighter bounty, and then get the bounty from each other when concord blows you all up. Not sure how many people it takes to gank a freighter, but it's definitely an opportunity to clear your bounties and profit from them as well as getting the freighter loot. The gankers can shoot each other well before the freighter gank. The most damage done in the last 15 minutes determines who gets the bounty. So they should shoot each other while waiting for a target to show. That way once a target does show they can still apply max dps to it. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
Mars Theran Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 507	Posted - 2012.12.11 01:31:00 - [29] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: Mars Theran wrote: Another Fun fact: While considering a suspect flying in space today, I realized that not only was I likely to be able to gank his Proteus with my Thrasher , but he could immediately post killrights to his friends, potentially having them catch me before I dock if I did. The one thing I wasn't sure of, was if the killrights were applied immediately upon attacking being as success was no longer a requirement. Aggression is immediate = killrights would then be immediate? So either way, I thought of some interesting ideas after that. ..also, more in line with the OP; someone has to put a billion+ bounty on them first. When you kill a suspect. They do not get kill rights to activate on you. He and him alone can shoot at you. However I have noticed that people fly around as a suspect in expensive ships have got Logi with them. Yep, he had an Oneiros and a Guardian iirc. They had suspect flags to from repping him, but they docked when they expired. Makes the station game a little more drawn out when they have to do that I think. Much better with the new system as the old was just far to much flim flam. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub

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