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Yuna Talie-Kuo Lacking In Diplomacy Unclaimed. 6	Posted - 2012.12.10 20:59:00 - [31] - Quote Most of the time that limit is meant to weed out spies. But it also ensures that you've specialized in some field, and can use certain T2 ships, which make a greater impact on how operations go in the future. But as a few other people say, attitude is evaluated more so throughout EVE. Besides, I'm currently at 14mil myself at around 3/4 of the year (Lots of screw-ups and bad skilling habits + bad attribute placement) Don't worry, you'll find a good corp, or you can try making one :P YTK I don't always do ****. But when I do, it's usually worth doing.
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium 2222	Posted - 2012.12.10 21:13:00 - [32] - Quote 15M SP requirement will "Weed out spies"? You'd have to have some kind of cognitive dysfunction to believe that. If a corp is worth infiltrating, it's worth infiltrating with one of your existing research alts: especially if your "main" is already skilled to fly the ships you want to fly. Then again, I know people who put security screens and deadbolts on external doors that are right next to unprotected windows. It's like they actually believe that thieves would only enter through the door, because breaking the window to conduct a break & entry is inconceivable. (cue Inigo Montoya, "You keep using that word"). Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players
Renan Ruivo Vera Cruz. Nulli Secunda 911	Posted - 2012.12.10 23:02:00 - [33] - Quote Need more game experience before joining corp. Need to join corp before getting more game experience. /meme The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Nerath Naaris Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy 209	Posted - 2012.12.11 08:03:00 - [34] - Quote Guys, perhaps the Corp in question just missed a comma and really meant 1,(!)5 mil SP!? Sometimes the most simple explanations are the true ones.... Sometimes. Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
pussnheels The Fiction Factory 776	Posted - 2012.12.11 08:35:00 - [35] - Quote to quote another member of this community on another thread few weeks ago Can you fly a rifter can you use a web and a warp disrupter you don't mind losing that rifter than you are in with the big boys , ( love that quote, and i apologize for so blatantly stealing it ) I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Andres Talas Occupational Hazzard Get Off My Lawn 6	Posted - 2012.12.11 08:48:00 - [36] - Quote Yuna Talie-Kuo wrote: Most of the time that limit is meant to weed out spies. But it also ensures that you've specialized in some field, and can use certain T2 ships, which make a greater impact on how operations go in the future. But as a few other people say, attitude is evaluated more so throughout EVE. Besides, I'm currently at 14mil myself at around 3/4 of the year (Lots of screw-ups and bad skilling habits + bad attribute placement) Don't worry, you'll find a good corp, or you can try making one :P YTK Skill point minimums do absolutely nothing to stop spies - it's remarkably easy to build a not-terrible skill plan, pay for the toon with plex, and then if our spai toon doesnt get in the target - or does get in and is burned - then sell them in a fine nearby forum where characters are bought and sold. This isk is then recycled into plex, and repeat. I'd also argue its a lot harder to pretend to be a noob than it looks, and a lot more work to pretend to be both clueless and enthusiastic than a slightly-jaded, done-this-before, tell me when the op is and I'll be there veteran. TLDR : Bittervet spai must go against nature to be shobon noob Im afraid having a try at making a corp is something they then go on to do, and they will add to the number of too-small fail corps, and then they quit and are lost. But, yeah, I completely agree with the OP. If you have a skill point minimum, you arent new player friendly, and shouldnt pretend you are. There's nothing wrong with not being new player friendly, and training corps (ie Snigwaffe) is a great idea. But you shouldnt pretend to be something you arent.
Kyodai Samedi Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.12.11 20:56:00 - [37] - Quote removed
Polly Oxford GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 67	Posted - 2012.12.11 22:12:00 - [38] - Quote Corps with SP requirements calling themselves Newbie friendly is pretty ironic. Thank God my corp loves Newbies or I would have never stayed with this game.
Senshi Hawk Occupational Hazzard Get Off My Lawn 53	Posted - 2012.12.11 22:27:00 - [39] - Quote Just because a corp has a 15mil skill point requirement doesn't mean they'll never make an exception, and even if they wont, there may be a more suitable corp for you within the same alliance. To question whether they are legitimately "newbie friendly" or not is not fair. There are many reasons why a corp would have such a requirement. I recruited a player with 48mil skill points a while back with zero combat experience and when he asked what ship he'd be best suited in for a fleet, I told him to get in a rifter.
Surfin's PlunderBunny The Python Cartel. 4200	Posted - 2012.12.12 01:04:00 - [40] - Quote I'm a new player because CCP keeps changing **** "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Casirio DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale. 200	Posted - 2012.12.12 05:04:00 - [41] - Quote yeah i have like..15 mil sp, been playing 6 months or so? 15 mil is "newish" for high class wormhole pilot...but no reason why you cant be a great pvper with just a couple mil SP.. still though, they should change that ****... i know how hard it is to find a good corp as a new player who is eager to learn. just keep at it. good luck
Ferahgo Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. 6	Posted - 2012.12.12 10:10:00 - [42] - Quote Ha I barely average 19 mill a year. And I find that more than fast enough in training. I'm willing to bet for OP as someone already stated, the Corp meant 1.5 million and accidentally added 1 zero
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 218	Posted - 2012.12.12 15:05:00 - [43] - Quote Factor in that different corps will have different definitions of new based on the theme of that corp. For example, our corp does mining & industry. If I were to switch a PvP corp I'd be a "new" player. On the flipside, if someone were to come to my corp from someplace like Red vs Blue or something they'd probably be a "new" player to us regardless of how high their gunnery skills are. To us "new" simply means "Can't fly a Retriever yet." To a nullsec corp "new" might mean "Where's your Tengu, pleb?" A high-tech production corp doing lots of T2 stuff would most likely be using your science skills as a measuring stick. And so on. EvE Forum Bingo
Choi Baedal Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 4	Posted - 2012.12.12 16:19:00 - [44] - Quote Ferahgo wrote: Ha I barely average 19 mill a year. And I find that more than fast enough in training. I'm willing to bet for OP as someone already stated, the Corp meant 1.5 million and accidentally added 1 zero It was definitely 15 because others required 20 mil. I still think from my prospective that perhaps a few mil is acceptable but these insane 15-20 mil, I donno. The fact that they say minimum makes me think ts nonnegotiable. I have found some people to hang out with and a corp so I'm good on that front. Now for earning my chops and learning more about tactics.
Murk Paradox Dvice Shipyards No Value 64	Posted - 2012.12.12 20:53:00 - [45] - Quote I can't stand sp requirements. Anyone can learn enough SP in say.... trading or mining, and have 30mil SP in that profession but then join a 30mil sp requirement corp when you actually in truth have maybe 5mil sp in the category you're wanting to depend on. Worthless. Best way to find a corp? Do what you like doing, you'll find some likeminded people. They will either invite you to corp, or you will like how/what they do things and you can apply through their corp logo when clicking "info" on them. Or simply ask them. Forums are the way to replenish ranks, sure. But unless that's what you're looking for.... "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url] for details.
Praxis Ginimic 76	Posted - 2012.12.12 23:01:00 - [46] - Quote "New player frienldy" can be a misleading term. It often just means that the corp members are willing to train recruits. I have contacts in this game with 10's of millions of SP and 3 accounts that have less PVP experience then I do (about 6 months into the game myself) and another contact who started last month, who will gladly teach me things about scanning.
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 613	Posted - 2012.12.12 23:03:00 - [47] - Quote Praxis Ginimic wrote: "New player frienldy" can be a misleading term. It often just means that the corp members are willing to train recruits. I have contacts in this game with 10's of millions of SP and 3 accounts that have less PVP experience then I do (about 6 months into the game myself) and another contact who started last month, who will gladly teach me things about scanning. Exactly New doesn't mean low SP. New means "I don't have a clue what you are talking about, please teach me what you mean". Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website
Salpad Carebears with Attitude 148	Posted - 2012.12.13 04:44:00 - [48] - Quote Vilnius Zar wrote: Being "new player friendly" means exactly that and as such a 15 mil SP minimum doesn't mesh with that statement. It does make sense to have a minimum SP, partially for security reasons and partially because someone who's been playing for 1-3 months shows more commitment than "some random" with 5 days played, because in a good corp every new player means an investment of effort. Do note that many good corporations have a "show me your war face" kind of approach, they may have an SP limit for the standard riffraff but if a fresh recruit shows tenacity and the right attitude that may open doors beyond his SP count. To join my corp, a player first has to spend time time as a hangers-on "secondary member", in the corp's Public chat channel, and participate in corp activities. They get help and advice, they get to know us, we get to know them. After anywhen from 3 weeks to 2 months, they get offered full membership and are allowed to join. Doesn't matter if they're 1 day old, or started playing in 2006. (Also note that we're not currently recruiting.)
Cyprus Black Perkone Caldari State 439	Posted - 2012.12.13 08:09:00 - [49] - Quote Choi Baedal wrote: So with my 3 day account I've been searching for a corp who is New Player Friendly. Down in everyones description however it states you need 15 Mil SP or some other high number. Noticing I only have 97k SP I ask how long it takes to get 15 mil SP. A year someone said. Please remove the New Player Friendly from your corp! How does one year of play equal New Player. I've only been playing for 3 days but I got a great gasp of everything. Right now it's all a matter of waiting for skill points it seems. Congratulations! You've discovered that there are lots of idiots who play this game. Since this game punishes stupidity and rewards the clever and bold, you have an advantage. I suggest you use it. Insert Witty Signature Here
Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 255	Posted - 2012.12.13 16:29:00 - [50] - Quote Choi Baedal wrote: So with my 3 day account I've been searching for a corp who is New Player Friendly. Down in everyones description however it states you need 15 Mil SP or some other high number. Noticing I only have 97k SP I ask how long it takes to get 15 mil SP. A year someone said. Please remove the New Player Friendly from your corp! How does one year of play equal New Player. I've only been playing for 3 days but I got a great gasp of everything. Right now it's all a matter of waiting for skill points it seems. If you have not played for at least one or two weeks there will be not many corps that consider taking you I guess "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Dradius Calvantia Stimulus Rote Kapelle 331	Posted - 2012.12.14 10:30:00 - [51] - Quote I don't know.... I would definitely consider anyone who has been playing for less than a year a "new player". The corp you mentioned seems to be targeting new players which have been playing at least 6 months or so, which is perfectly consistent to me.
Archdaimon NorCorp Enterprise No Holes Barred 139	Posted - 2012.12.14 11:03:00 - [52] - Quote Wormholes and higher class wormholes is pretty much one of the only places where there is actually a need for sp min (or more specifically certain skills min.). Most "good" corps have "sister corps" for training that takes in new players. If you can fly a bc somewhat ok fit you should be good to go (iirc a bc with t2 fit can almost be done in what... 2 months?) - I speak from the perspective of a C6 Wormhole Citizen. Take it or leave it - or sing it!
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 5486	Posted - 2012.12.14 11:13:00 - [53] - Quote Choi Baedal wrote: Ferahgo wrote: Ha I barely average 19 mill a year. And I find that more than fast enough in training. I'm willing to bet for OP as someone already stated, the Corp meant 1.5 million and accidentally added 1 zero It was definitely 15 because others required 20 mil. I still think from my prospective that perhaps a few mil is acceptable but these insane 15-20 mil, I donno. The fact that they say minimum makes me think ts nonnegotiable. I have found some people to hang out with and a corp so I'm good on that front. Now for earning my chops and learning more about tactics. The SP requirements are almost invariably negotiable, but if they're specifying 15 mill, you'd need to do some pretty slick negotiating to get a 3-day character in. Basically, you're doing the right thing now. If you spend the next 4-6 months being active as hell, getting lots of kills, learning how to look after yourself in hostile space and learning the many, many game mechanics EVE has then you'll be good to get into almost any corp. No one will give a damb about how you only have 11M SP instead of 15 or whatever. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button."
Disastro Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 27	Posted - 2012.12.14 12:47:00 - [54] - Quote Choi Baedal wrote: So with my 3 day account I've been searching for a corp who is New Player Friendly. Down in everyones description however it states you need 15 Mil SP or some other high number. Noticing I only have 97k SP I ask how long it takes to get 15 mil SP. A year someone said. Please remove the New Player Friendly from your corp! How does one year of play equal New Player. I've only been playing for 3 days but I got a great gasp of everything. Right now it's all a matter of waiting for skill points it seems. Just look at bit harder for a corp. There are plenty of corps in eve recruiting guys just like you to their ranks daily. New player friendly means different things to different people. What is a new player to me (after 4 years of playing eve) is going to be different than it is to someone who has been playing since the game started or who just started last year. Its all relative. That being said... there are legitimate reasons why some corps want players with some skill points. I wont go into these here because i could spend all day listing them. It is enough to know that there are many corps that do not care at all. Find one of those. A quick review of the corporation recruitment forum here will lead to many prospects for you i am sure. If you are hoping to join pvp oriented or pirate corps you may find it a bit more difficult with a 3 day character. Many high sec corps that do PVE and such really couldnt care a less how old your toon is.
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 620	Posted - 2012.12.14 12:50:00 - [55] - Quote Disastro wrote: Choi Baedal wrote: So with my 3 day account I've been searching for a corp who is New Player Friendly. Down in everyones description however it states you need 15 Mil SP or some other high number. Noticing I only have 97k SP I ask how long it takes to get 15 mil SP. A year someone said. Please remove the New Player Friendly from your corp! How does one year of play equal New Player. I've only been playing for 3 days but I got a great gasp of everything. Right now it's all a matter of waiting for skill points it seems. Just look at bit harder for a corp. There are plenty of corps in eve recruiting guys just like you to their ranks daily. Really? Point me to a corp recruiting cocky basterds who think they know the mechanics of EVE after 3 days... Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website
Melkorus Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.12.14 18:36:00 - [56] - Quote 15mil is not noob friendly... and SP requirement is simply stupid. If they're PVP focused they should list ships and techs that they require, example: Must be able to fly a Battlecruiser with t2 guns and t2 armor/shield tanking. If they're exploration/mining/farming etc corp, then make a requirement for the ships/equipment you need.
Spacing Cowboy Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda 31	Posted - 2012.12.17 08:22:00 - [57] - Quote Remember the corp you want to get in.. In 2 years, when you are in the OP for the final timer of there station, take a beer and grin a bit. ( been there, done that, the beer was good ) Until then , go eve-uni or other learning corp and -learn- the game. The day you stop learning you become bittervet, the only way to prevent becomming a bittervet is doing new stuff and have new players around you.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 266	Posted - 2012.12.17 16:43:00 - [58] - Quote I don't think the last three pilots we hired had 15 million SP between them. The oldest had less than a month of experience before joining. We are new pilot friendly. EvE Forum Bingo
J'Poll Kings of the Underground Side Effect. 626	Posted - 2012.12.17 18:16:00 - [59] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: I don't think the last three pilots we hired had 15 million SP between them. The oldest had less than a month of experience before joining. We are new pilot friendly. Recruitment, even covert isn't allowed here. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website
Ronix Aideron The Ugly Ass Kickers 17	Posted - 2012.12.17 18:45:00 - [60] - Quote "Please accept my resignation. I don't want to belong to any club that will accept people like me as a member". - Groucho Marx http://eveboard.com/pilot/Ronix_Aideron

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