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Svipull
Republic Logistics
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Posted - 2012.12.10 14:40:00 -
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Dear Sirs,
I do live here - for some time. Lost my first ALTs in a furious fight. I understand that. It was BoB against the Goons in 2005/6 - I think - and we - before melted down - landed in the middle of nowhere. There were battlefields and a character : SirMolle - remembered - we were afraid of him - so my father was born. My User then, he has lost some, but he / I'm still here.
One of my characters - the important one - is a very helpful female (me) mostly seen in the German speaking HILFE Channel. For quite some years it tries to educate pilots to become characters, which can survive in New Eden.
Additionally it has an overall understanding regarding Incursions. We support the beginners there - we don't give a dime for elitist groups.
-- My claim, as a minor being in New Eden --
On the day - the new bounty system was introduced - I was made a criminal. Somebody - for no reason - put a bounty on my head.
My USER - the guy infront of the keyboard and the guy who pays my yearly account - is totally unwilling to play bounty-ed characters. He tells me - that there is a clear line.
He has a contract with a corporation called CCP which allows to choose from a career. He is telling me : there is no career for me in New Eden as a criminal = negative security or bounty-ed character.
Why : it's the communications barrier
Would anybody in RL believe a criminal flagged, negativ sec standings or bounty-ed character ? To put it clearly and short : many of the above are considered an ******* - at least.
So - you would have to tell my User - why should he play such a character. And - in the HILFE Channel - why should anybody believe in an *******.
I want the bounty OFF my head - quickly - I want my integrity back.
Go Go Go |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1383
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Posted - 2012.12.10 14:50:00 -
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Tell your owner to meet me in VFK in a ship that is worth 500% of his bounty or more & I would be happy to remove it for him. It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |

Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2012.12.10 14:51:00 -
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wtf |

SB Rico
the united Negative Ten.
48
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Posted - 2012.12.10 15:52:00 -
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In very real and practical terms...
What difference does a bounty make?
You can't be shot in high sec just because you have one, you don't gain or lose anything personally if you die, and the stigma of the wanted banner for recruitment will soon disappear cos every bugger is gonna have it at this rate, so corps getting fussy will just die.
As long as killing you costs more than your bounty noone in high sec is going to bother and in low or null sec they won't care about your career path they'll just shoot you. |

Domineren
Social Terrorism. Wicked Intentions.
2
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:20:00 -
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Svipull wrote:Dear Sirs,
I do live here - for some time. Lost my first ALTs in a furious fight. I understand that. It was BoB against the Goons in 2005/6 - I think - and we - before melted down - landed in the middle of nowhere. There were battlefields and a character : SirMolle - remembered - we were afraid of him - so my father was born. My User then, he has lost some, but he / I'm still here.
One of my characters - the important one - is a very helpful female (me) mostly seen in the German speaking HILFE Channel. For quite some years it tries to educate pilots to become characters, which can survive in New Eden.
Additionally it has an overall understanding regarding Incursions. We support the beginners there - we don't give a dime for elitist groups.
-- My claim, as a minor being in New Eden --
On the day - the new bounty system was introduced - I was made a criminal. Somebody - for no reason - put a bounty on my head.
My USER - the guy infront of the keyboard and the guy who pays my yearly account - is totally unwilling to play bounty-ed characters. He tells me - that there is a clear line.
He has a contract with a corporation called CCP which allows to choose from a career. He is telling me : there is no career for me in New Eden as a criminal = negative security or bounty-ed character.
Why : it's the communications barrier
Would anybody in RL believe a criminal flagged, negativ sec standings or bounty-ed character ? To put it clearly and short : many of the above are considered an ******* - at least.
So - you would have to tell my User - why should he play such a character. And - in the HILFE Channel - why should anybody believe in an *******.
I want the bounty OFF my head - quickly - I want my integrity back.
Go Go Go Im sorry I had a hell of a time trying to read that and after the third time reading through it im still kinda confused by your syntax |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
437
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:40:00 -
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Explain to your user that eve and the world in which he inhabits are not one and the same, yet in some ways they are the same.
The key difference is that unlike his world, in eve a bounty does not mean you are a criminal. A bounty simply means that someone out in New eden, for whatever reason, felt that your lifestyle, choice, background, or another aspect annoyed this person so much, they opted to place a monetary reward on the destruction of your assets or pod. There is no similar concept in the users world.
As for the similarities between the two worlds, people hate for a variety of reasons. Hate could be caused by upbringing, disagreement of opinions, or even stem from a propaganda campaign created by a central government. This does not mean the hate is justified, only that it exists. For example, you are gallante. This your user knows. I, as a caldari, hate all that you stand for. I blame your ethnic origins for the plight of my people. Again, this may not be valid. The plight of my people is caused by corporate greed run rampant. Still, I have bought into the propoganda of my state and thus view you as an enemy.
Through no fault of your own, (you have never oppressed me, in fact until now we have never interacted) I hold a grudge against you. I am capable of placing a bounty on you simply because I am a petty, shallow human with flaws and a grudge. Does that mean you are a criminal? No. You just happen to be the wrong race from my view point.
Your user should understand this. Ask him about the years from 1924 to about 1945.
And in the mean time, wear your bounty with pride. You have stood your ground and made enough of yourself to be viewed as worth harassing. You've accomplished something, annoying another human enough to seek retribution. Wear that badge with honor and pride, knowing that to the vast majority of us, a bounty simply means you have annoyed others, not been a criminal. |

Da Grim Reaper
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.10 18:45:00 -
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Bounty = money paid to see your character is dealt with.
Mafia calls this a hit. A hit is targeted at a person who may not have commited any crime. Since the game allows criminals, it needs to allow criminals the ability to place a hit. The current bounty system has done that. Just because you are bountied, does not mean you are criminal. |

Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
437
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Posted - 2012.12.10 19:00:00 -
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And if someone ever gives you grief or refuses to accept you in their corp because you have a bounty, return the favor and place a bounty on them.  |

malron Tzash
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:34:00 -
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this is the stupidest thing i have read all day. also if your "user" isn't willing to deal with a 100K bounty then you should just fly a faction ship my way and ill pop it or you could always biomass. There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. Sun Tzu
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation
276
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Posted - 2012.12.10 22:59:00 -
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Svipull wrote:Dear Sirs,
I do live here - for some time. Lost my first ALTs in a furious fight. I understand that. It was BoB against the Goons in 2005/6 - I think - and we - before melted down - landed in the middle of nowhere. There were battlefields and a character : SirMolle - remembered - we were afraid of him - so my father was born. My User then, he has lost some, but he / I'm still here.
One of my characters - the important one - is a very helpful female (me) mostly seen in the German speaking HILFE Channel. For quite some years it tries to educate pilots to become characters, which can survive in New Eden.
Additionally it has an overall understanding regarding Incursions. We support the beginners there - we don't give a dime for elitist groups.
-- My claim, as a minor being in New Eden --
On the day - the new bounty system was introduced - I was made a criminal. Somebody - for no reason - put a bounty on my head.
My USER - the guy infront of the keyboard and the guy who pays my yearly account - is totally unwilling to play bounty-ed characters. He tells me - that there is a clear line.
He has a contract with a corporation called CCP which allows to choose from a career. He is telling me : there is no career for me in New Eden as a criminal = negative security or bounty-ed character.
Why : it's the communications barrier
Would anybody in RL believe a criminal flagged, negativ sec standings or bounty-ed character ? To put it clearly and short : many of the above are considered an ******* - at least.
So - you would have to tell my User - why should he play such a character. And - in the HILFE Channel - why should anybody believe in an *******.
I want the bounty OFF my head - quickly - I want my integrity back.
Go Go Go
Side effect of new bounty system: Non-native English speaking individual with RP tendencies posts on forums.
Syntax gods become confused.
This USER enjoys.
Fruit roll-ups. |

Svipull
Republic Logistics
2
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Posted - 2012.12.11 08:48:00 -
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Guten Tag,
zun+ñchst einmal m+¦chte ich mich bei denjenigen entschuldigen, die meine Englischen Sprachkenntnisse bem+ñngeln. Ja, Sie haben es richtig erkannt, f++r mich ist Englisch nur irgendeine Fremdsprache. Sollte ich deswegen aufgrund einiger Formulierungen f++r Verwirrung oder Erheiterung gesorgt haben, So wollen Sie mir das bitte nachsehen.
Dann zu Ihrem l+ñngeren Statement - Lady Ayeipsia - Dank daf++r.
Ich vermute f++r mich einmal abschlie+ƒend, dass auch die wesentlichen Retribution-+änderungen mal wieder fast ausschlie+ƒlich der Spielergruppe nutzt, die am lautesten schreit. Und der Rest - was ist das schon ...
Hochachtungsvoll |

Dilligafmofo
The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion.
134
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Posted - 2012.12.11 09:19:00 -
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Vie are yous kicking mein dog und calling heem **** orf? |

Ra Jackson
CRIMINALS IN ACTION
77
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Posted - 2012.12.11 09:37:00 -
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Svipull wrote:Guten Tag,
zun+ñchst einmal m+¦chte ich mich bei denjenigen entschuldigen, die meine Englischen Sprachkenntnisse bem+ñngeln. Ja, Sie haben es richtig erkannt, f++r mich ist Englisch nur irgendeine Fremdsprache. Sollte ich deswegen aufgrund einiger Formulierungen f++r Verwirrung oder Erheiterung gesorgt haben, So wollen Sie mir das bitte nachsehen.
Dann zu Ihrem l+ñngeren Statement - Lady Ayeipsia - Dank daf++r.
Ich vermute f++r mich einmal abschlie+ƒend, dass auch die wesentlichen Retribution-+änderungen mal wieder fast ausschlie+ƒlich der Spielergruppe nutzt, die am lautesten schreit. Und der Rest - was ist das schon ...
Hochachtungsvoll
Posting in german won't get you anywhere here. Post it in the german subforums please. And no, not all relevant changes in Retribution aid the player group that cried the most. But you have to agree that the bounty system was unusable. Now it is. Read again the replies in this thread. People with bounty are not necessarily criminals. If you want to compare it with real life take the Mafia comparison: Just because they want you dead does not mean you're a criminal. |

Lucy Oreless
Raptus-Regaliter EntroPraetorian Aegis
61
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:00:00 -
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Somebody ows me 10 minutes  _____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you wanna PVP? Join us -> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=162144 |

Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
49
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Posted - 2012.12.11 11:15:00 -
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For making me read your post, I'll add to your bounty. |

Ritsum
Perkone Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2012.12.11 12:06:00 -
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Spectre Wraith wrote:For making me read your post, I'll add to your bounty.
Yeah this OP gave me a headache so expect another bounty from me. I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |

Kain Duku
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
1
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Posted - 2012.12.11 12:49:00 -
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+10....... million isk to his bounty once I get in from work  |

Kain Duku
LoGisTicAl ERr0R
1
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Posted - 2012.12.11 12:51:00 -
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Svipull wrote:Good day,
First I want to apologize to those who complain about my English language skills. Yes, you have correctly identified, for me English is just another language. Why should I have made because of some formulations for confusion or amusement, so you want to see me please.
Then your long statement - for you - Lady Ayeipsia.
I guess for me, once concluded that the significant changes Retribution once again almost exclusively uses the player group that shouts the loudest. And the rest - what is that ...
Yours faithfully
Hochachtungsvoll
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Samantha Utama
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.12.11 13:03:00 -
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Spectre Wraith wrote:For making me read your post, I'll add to your bounty.
Wouldn't it be nice if we could do this right from the forums?  |

Ruvin
40
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:19:00 -
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Samantha Utama wrote:Spectre Wraith wrote:For making me read your post, I'll add to your bounty. Wouldn't it be nice if we could do this right from the forums? 
Soon -« Opportunities multiply as they are seized. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
The Python Cartel.
4195
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Posted - 2012.12.11 14:54:00 -
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Ruvin wrote:Samantha Utama wrote:Spectre Wraith wrote:For making me read your post, I'll add to your bounty. Wouldn't it be nice if we could do this right from the forums?  Soon -«
But then I'd have a bounty of all the isk  "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2417
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Posted - 2012.12.11 15:03:00 -
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My user wants to place a bounty on your user for making his brain hurt this early in the morning. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |

Domineren
Social Terrorism. Wicked Intentions.
3
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Posted - 2012.12.11 18:08:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Ruvin wrote:Samantha Utama wrote:Spectre Wraith wrote:For making me read your post, I'll add to your bounty. Wouldn't it be nice if we could do this right from the forums?  Soon -« But then I'd have a bounty of all the isk  can i have bounties too? i like to look cool with 100 mil isk bounty =D |

Optawankut
Interplanetary Expeditions
0
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Posted - 2012.12.11 21:22:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote: ... in eve a bounty does not mean you are a criminal. A bounty simply means that someone out in New eden, for whatever reason, felt that your lifestyle, choice, background, or another aspect annoyed this person so much, they opted to place a monetary reward on the destruction of your assets or pod...
Apparently you no longer need to annoy anyone for any reason other than to enter the local system channel.
Suffice it to say, this bounty BS will ultimately backfire for CCP.
I don't need eye-balls to see, I can see clearly in all directions without them. |

Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
839
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Posted - 2012.12.12 00:20:00 -
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Come on out to western vale. Lots of ppl there with rather big bounties on their heads GǪ started at 10b, and not sure where itGÇÖs at right now. Also because those ppl fail at eve and fly shiney ships you will get lots of easy kills and big bounty payouts.
Also, everyone else wanting to be a tool with the bounty system please keep loading billions of iskies in bounties onto us GǪ individually and collectively. It makes us cry a lot and quake in our boots every time we undock our mining ships or officer-fit ratters. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
136
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Posted - 2012.12.12 10:54:00 -
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Optawankut wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote: ... in eve a bounty does not mean you are a criminal. A bounty simply means that someone out in New eden, for whatever reason, felt that your lifestyle, choice, background, or another aspect annoyed this person so much, they opted to place a monetary reward on the destruction of your assets or pod... Apparently you no longer need to annoy anyone for any reason other than to enter the local system channel. Suffice it to say, this bounty BS will ultimately backfire for CCP.
Why? Most people are rather happy.
We seem to get spare change of every other person we shoot at, so it almost feels people are paying for the ammo rounds we fire at them.
All hostile NPCs have bounties on them, so it is just as well that all PCs have bounties  |

Nihi Lismus
Chaos From Order Manifest Destiny.
90
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Posted - 2012.12.12 11:00:00 -
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Dilligafmofo wrote:Vie are yous kicking mein dog und calling heem **** orf? bad Dilli... even google translate would have did it better :P
@ Svi... Sorry, ich respektiere deine Art EVE zu spielen. Ich bin oft sogar von deinem Durchhalteverm+¦gen erstaund. Aber bitte nimm es mir nicht ++bel, wenn ich wegen deinem Text mit einem Dauer-Facepalm vorm Rechner sa+ƒ (aka my user) |

M Lamia
All Web Investigations
7
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Posted - 2012.12.13 11:13:00 -
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Optawankut wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote: ... in eve a bounty does not mean you are a criminal. A bounty simply means that someone out in New eden, for whatever reason, felt that your lifestyle, choice, background, or another aspect annoyed this person so much, they opted to place a monetary reward on the destruction of your assets or pod... Apparently you no longer need to annoy anyone for any reason other than to enter the local system channel. Suffice it to say, this bounty BS will ultimately backfire for CCP.
No it wont, lmao.
I don't even know why people are crying, honestly, what do you see as being a problem with this? |

Freundliches Feuer
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
35
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Posted - 2012.12.13 12:54:00 -
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This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. |

Svipull
Republic Logistics
4
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Posted - 2012.12.22 10:10:00 -
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Nihi Lismus wrote:Dilligafmofo wrote:Vie are yous kicking mein dog und calling heem **** orf? bad Dilli... even google translate would have did it better :P @ Svi... Sorry, ich respektiere deine Art EVE zu spielen. Ich bin oft sogar von deinem Durchhalteverm+¦gen erstaund. Aber bitte nimm es mir nicht ++bel, wenn ich wegen deinem Text mit einem Dauer-Facepalm vorm Rechner sa+ƒ (aka my user)
Dank f++r Dein freundliches Statement. Ich erwarte nicht, dass andere Teilnehmer mich oder meinen USER verstehen, aber ich bin wie ich bin. Wenn jemand auf mich klickt und statt des s++ndhaft-teueren Weihnachtsgeschenks meines USERs ein "Wanted" zu sehen bekommt, dann kotzt mich das schlichtweg gesagt an. Da sind mein USER und ich einer Meinung.
Im ++brigen erschrickt das sehr viele junge Spieler, die wachen auf und finden sich gleich mit einer Bounty wieder - wollen aber ein tapferer Supporter von Concord sein und was machen die dann, die spielen etwas anderes - es gibt genug.
CCP hat sich von seinen zahlenden Kunden meilenweit entfernt und h+¦rt offensichtlich nur auf die, die laut schreien. Das nennt mein USER beschissenes Marketing.
Fly safely und frohe Weihnachten auch an Filitia, Ing Harm und die vielen anderen, ++blichen Verd+ñchtigen in Hilfe. Dann verschenke ich ein paar kostbare Sekunden an Carola Kessler, verstorben, aber posthum mit Bounty - ich fass' es nich ...
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