I Am losing so much drones in a mission that i lose isk on it to do the mission.

Drones are being killed instantly there is no way to safe them .

It has not become more difficult but it has come less profitable and since we have a big inflation already in eve we cant use anymore of that **** .

CCP you fuckt up

Buddy, i fly a gila which uses nothing but drones as offense, i've lost 2 heavy drones, 1 light and 1 medium since the AI change.

"Gaming God" you ****** up.

I Am losing so much drones in a mission that i lose isk on it to do the mission.

Drones are being killed instantly there is no way to safe them .

It has not become more difficult but it has come less profitable and since we have a big inflation already in eve we cant use anymore of that **** .

CCP you fuckt up

drone navigation computer is your friend

Now if only it made them immune to npc web/scram...

I heard there is a skill that gives drones more HP.

I Am losing so much drones in a mission that i lose isk on it to do the mission.

Drones are being killed instantly there is no way to safe them .

It has not become more difficult but it has come less profitable and since we have a big inflation already in eve we cant use anymore of that **** .

CCP you fuckt up

I Am loosing so much payshence on a forums that i lose sanity on the forums and rite my raje and say palabras malos at company that make game becuz i Am mad.

I Am loosing so much payshence on a forums that i lose sanity on the forums and rite my raje and say palabras malos at company that make game becuz i Am mad.

Honestly, I had a hard time reading this...

Thank you for useless statistics. Without knowing the other details that tells us nothing (ie losing those drones after 20 hours of flying not horrible, losing them after 3 hours kinda crappy).

How many drones did you lose prior to the changes?

Look at it this way, I've spent 3 hours on world's collide, before the change i may lose one drone, after the change i just lost 6 drones, and after 3 bhours i got pissed off took a hammer and started beating the **** out of my modem because i trained 3 years to perfect my drones mand defensive skills, now ccp is trying to force me to give up my drone boats, CCP can kiss my ass all the way to the unsub button

If you were loosing drones before the patch.. you should probably not be undocking now...

[Chorus]
I can't feel the way I did before
Don't turn your back on me
I won't be ignored
Time won't heal this damage anymore
Don't turn your back on me I won't be ignored

Look at it this way, I've spent 3 hours on world's collide, before the change i may lose one drone, after the change i just lost 6 drones, and after 3 bhours i got pissed off took a hammer and started beating the **** out of my modem because i trained 3 years to perfect my drones mand defensive skills, now ccp is trying to force me to give up my drone boats, CCP can kiss my ass all the way to the unsub button

you're GOING to lose drones.

Oh my, FAIL OP Troll is FAIL ...

After being told, repeatedly, HOW to do it in his other thread, he comes whining some more ...

BTW, I lost a grand total of ONE Mining drone while AFK mining with my second account, it's not the end of the world, there are ways to adapt, even with drone boats ...

I'm currently doing lvl 2 combat missions with an Algos, full of Frigates those are, and I don't loose my drones ... am I *that* good ?

Nah, can't be only me ...

Algos is closer in sig radius to the frigates and I'd imagine would have an easier time holding aggro that a BS with a significantly larger sig. Also dealing with elite frigs, which do more damage and are more resilient than just about anything in lvl 2's, exasperates the issue.

Alt with 266k in drones running the SOE epic arc isn't having issues but the main in a marauder running lvl 4's with 6m drone SP is. Not sure what else to say.

Speaking of which:

We need a Marauder drone boat. 100% increase in drone damage.

K thx.

who the hell uses heavies, anyway. when mediums are so much faster and have the combat drone operation skill damage bonus that heavies do not, they're a better idea.

This miiiight have been Ok pre DDA's now the projected damage would be OP.

There was one horrible serpentis mission, I remember not the name, but the time was 5h16m, oh it was The Score...
3 rooms, 60 km travel time to each, only time I considered using both afterburner and heavy drones.
Did it once, decided to just decline it ever after.
Once more I had to do it a few months later, because I mixed it up with another, and accepted.
Nop!
We totally need it!

And people say proper spelling and grammar don't matter...

There was one horrible serpentis mission, I remember not the name, but the time was 5h16m, oh it was The Score...
3 rooms, 60 km travel time to each, only time I considered using both afterburner and heavy drones.
Did it once, decided to just decline it ever after.
Once more I had to do it a few months later, because I mixed it up with another, and accepted.
Nop!
We totally need it!

Actually in light of recent AI changes, I think a huge bonus to drone HP and speed (or sig radius) would be in order (along with a decent array of low and midslots for tanking and drone mods). This would make it a beast without upping the the amount of DPS drastically past a well fitted rattler or domi. The drones would simply be much less vunerable and you would have plenty of slots to dedicate to drone navigation, tracking and damage.

I have "return to drone bay" keybind as SHIFT+R... I don't remember if that was a default shortcut.

I use the forward/back buttons on my mouse for attack and return to drone bay.

When you mine you risk to be ganked more than other players.

When you pvp you risk to loose ship 100% of time.

If you explore you dont find nice modules most of time.

Trading is risk of loosing isk any day. Etc etc .....

You lost few drones and that is all ?Stop crying and stop be afk .Dont you find old AI to be ********,all ships in mission space never change target.Even in god damn WoW when you do missions you risk to be ganked ,or you need to be carefull not to pull to much mobs,so really stop crying.

Use keyboard shortcuts instead right clicking and choosing from menu.

drone navigation computer is your friend

Honestly, I had a hard time reading this...

Your really complaining about the lost of a drone or two?

They are ammo. Consider them the same and move on.

Would love to hear what others are doing to hold aggro on frig rats so lights can do their job. Putting BS guns on them does practically nothing, as you'd expect. From range my sentries easily oneshot any frig rat, but just one that gets close can mangle a flight of lights in my experience with the new ai.

I use the forward/back buttons on my mouse for attack and return to drone bay.

Make it harder, more difficult and let skill become a factor again. I like it much and i dont care if the super-expensive-plex-fitted-officer-tuned-faction-battleship of some mission runner blows up.

I'm all for harder missions, barely ever accepting those that ain't at least marginally fun (or come with a 6 hour bonus timer, except a few specific ones), since they were bad isk/hour.

Now... if you want harder missions, I'm totally on board.
But make them also more worth the hassle in return!

Heavy drones should have received a boost to HP & speed to compensate. I wasted 1 month training heavy drones to V.

I'm having no problems in level 4 missions with a Rattlesnake. Haven't lost a drone yet (50+ missions)

0 km to 15 km: Ogre II (heavy)
15 km to 50 km: Garde II (sentry)
50 km or more: Bouncer II (sentry)

Typically I warp in and wait for agro, then deploy sentries and go to work. If sentry is attacked, I rep it until it stops getting attacked. If I don't get agro on warp-in, I deploy sentries and go to work. If sentry is attacked, I rep it until it stops getting attacked.

I generally leave frigates to last. Ogre II have no problems with them, though Hobgoblin II are faster. By the time I start attacking them, the frigates have plenty of threat on me from repping the drones.

I have a heavy NOS, large shield transporter, and large remote armor repair on my Rattlesnake.

By the time I start attacking them, the frigates have plenty of threat on me from repping the drones.

I have a heavy NOS, large shield transporter, and large remote armor repair on my Rattlesnake.

I think waiting for aggro is key. how many pilots, do you think, release drones before aggro.

I wait, but them salvagers...they have to die. Apparently.

Are you implying, that agro is an integer number they have attached to each entity in space, and does not decay, like in certain other mmo, and not a semi-random semi-planned target-swapping machine that checks for targets periodically and once a new entity appears?

Why would half the room (the other half already being dead) switch to a lone SB coming to gank me, even the battleships?
Surely my ship would have been having tens of thousands of damage/repair (fleet) on their agro table?

Heck, why does a lone frigate warping in get hate and heavy shots from everything including battleships even when it's not an SB, and doesn't use any offensive or helping modules?

As I posted above, it really doesn't make any difference. In either case when the drones are attacked, repping is the cure.

All I can state for certain is that I haven't lost a drone, and once I rep my drones, the NPC will switch off them eventually, and seem to never go back to them.
I've never had a drone alpha-ed, not even a light one, and in my experience at least I can't imagine that even being possible.