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Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.12 20:01:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:6) Try to avoid having too many intimate relations with your followers. Sex scandals have been the end of many otherwise highly successful cults.  I'm not so sure about that. Sometimes 'free love' is a great recruitment tool, and sexual promiscuity can bring people closer together rather than make them jealous of eachother. It seems to be working well for the Raeliens. But i suppose it would depend on the types of people who show up. If they're largely Christian i may just settle on polygamy since that's easy to justify using the bible. I will of course be able to select my wives freely, while everyone else makes do with those who are left over, because it's what god wants. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:When the 'Dinosaur Asteroid' wiped out pretty much everything, there was not even a Mayan Calendar, obviously.
It is not required for a disaster to occur. I think there's been 6 mass extinctions we know of. I'm skeptical of those who say another is just around the corner, but also think those who act like it will never happen are fooling themselves. If they keep claiming another is about to happen, they'll eventually be right. And here's the tale of a Chinese man who has spent $160,000 creating floating balls which people can allegedly survive the 21st in.
If we do notice an asteroid heading our way, the recently vocal anti-science dweebs will start believing in Physics really quick. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2012.12.12 21:43:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:6) Try to avoid having too many intimate relations with your followers. Sex scandals have been the end of many otherwise highly successful cults.  I'm not so sure about that. Sometimes 'free love' is a great recruitment tool, and sexual promiscuity can bring people closer together rather than make them jealous of eachother. It seems to be working well for the Raeliens. But i suppose it would depend on the types of people who show up. If they're largely Christian i may just settle on polygamy since that's easy to justify using the bible. I will of course be able to select my wives freely, while everyone else makes do with those who are left over, because it's what god wants. Well you're right about that too. It all depends on the ground rules you set up in the beginning. If you go with being an enlightened saint-type cult leader, your boinking the followers might disillusion people. People see it as taking advantage of your position. That's what happened to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the Beatles' guru. And many other of the lesser gurus that pop up in the current New Age community. The problem is these guys were doing their bopping secretly on the sly. The cult leader can't be slipping around and hiding things like that-- it seems deceitful, and that undermines his prestige as a Higher and Wiser Enlightened One.
But, as you said, there's always the option of using the 'patriarch of the people' model. The leader is so above the followers that it's just his duty to spread his divineness to all ofthe females of the group. That model requires having more personal authority over the flock, so it's only recommended for the advanced cult leader. I think you might have to be careful about trying a 'free love' model. That kind of implies that each person is free to do whatever they want. Any time the word free comes up, you need to take notice and take precautions. Also, that freedom of promiscuous choice implies that each member is equal. Equal to you, if you choose to join in the fun. If a cult leader ever has both freedom and equality going on in his group, he might as well start looking for another job. Now he's got a commune instead of a cult, and he's just one of the commune hippies. You live and learn.-á At any rate, you live.-á -Douglas Adams |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.12 21:53:00 -
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Agreed.
But their most difficult decision is deciding which flavor of Kool-Aid to choose. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.12 22:17:00 -
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The plan to survive 2012 \o |
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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.12.12 22:50:00 -
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I have my Max Brooks collection in hand and hoping that someone got a prediction right!!
ISD Cyberdyne Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Sriracha Nighthawk
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.13 03:03:00 -
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ISD Cyberdyne wrote:I have my Max Brooks collection in hand and hoping that someone got a prediction right!!
LOL A tenebris ad lucem novam imperium ortum |

pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2012.12.13 07:50:00 -
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it irritates me that there are people scaring other people to death, and actually scamming them out of money with a bunch of lies Using a bunch of pseudo science that makes every scientist raise a eyebrow
lets see what is happening shall we
Mayan calender ends december 21 2012 , ok fair enough but fact is that we still don't really know how that calender works , nobody does and assuming the mayans knew the universe better than we here is the mayan view of the universe ; it was created 13000 bc and earth is flat and rests on the back of a crocodile which has its home in some pool ... goohh great where is gallileo and newton when you need them this alignment happens every year on december 21
solar flares what they do not tell you is every 12 or 13 years the sun goes into a cycle of activity , this year we had the 2 largest ejections of solar mass ever recorded and only effect it had were some fascinating nightskies near the polarcircles
sudden polar shifts , again what they do not tell you is this happens every few 200000 years and each time it takes something like 25 000 years in geologiacal terms this is really suddenly fast
planet nibiru not even going to start on that
and forget all the other prophecies like nostradamus and other charlatans you can read that in 1001 ways , you can read that the world will end or you can read that the 21 s i will go to macdonalds and buy myself 2 giant burgers with a big pack of french fries ( probably more dangerous for my health than all those prophecies+á
scamming and scarring people with pseudo sciences to gain finacial gains should be a serious crime
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Eurydia Vespasian
Legion Of Idiots legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
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Posted - 2012.12.13 08:14:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:it irritates me that there are people scaring other people to death, and actually scamming them out of money with a bunch of lies
i'm kinda of the opinion that people that get scammed in this way kinda deserve it because they are well...for lack of a better word for it...
dumb.
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2012.12.13 08:33:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:pussnheels wrote:it irritates me that there are people scaring other people to death, and actually scamming them out of money with a bunch of lies i'm kinda of the opinion that people that get scammed in this way kinda deserve it because they are well...for lack of a better word for it... dumb. maybe , but we are not all astro physicians and when they start bombarding you with a awhole lot of pseudo science , that sounds very convincing for the average person , Media itself is partly to blame just look at the amount of documantries on history vhannel and similair tv channels about the upcomming doomsday in the last 2 years All of them pretty onesided on how gruesome we will end with not a single objective view that actual debunked in a rational and scientific way the whole end of the world theory scaring people out of commercial interests has nothing to do with educating or informing people I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Eurydia Vespasian
Legion Of Idiots legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
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Posted - 2012.12.13 08:39:00 -
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ah, yes. the history channel. i remember, when i was just little, that it used to actually show history shows. hard pressed to find a program on history or discovery or even national geographic these days that isn't some "educational" reality show. |

pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2012.12.13 09:04:00 -
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a like for you good sir for linking a fragment of one of my all time favourite films made by my all time favourite director with one of my all time favourite actors I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.13 13:36:00 -
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pussnheels wrote: Media itself is partly to blame just look at the amount of documantries on history vhannel and similair tv channels about the upcomming doomsday in the last 2 years
Not just that either. I never thought I'd quit watching the History Channel, but with the amount of time they spend broadcasting dreck like "Ancient Aliens".......sad.
History. Really ?
edit: And the Learning Channel (TLC). Started as an offshoot of PBS if I remember correctly or some kind of public educational funds. Now shows "Honey Boo-Boo".  RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.13 13:40:00 -
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pussnheels wrote: a like for you good sir for linking a fragment of one of my all time favourite films made by my all time favourite director with one of my all time favourite actors
I still say Kubrick should have left in the War Room Pie Fight. There is one shot where you can still see a pie on the table in the background. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2012.12.13 15:12:00 -
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Meanwhile this week, entering stage right, potentially hazardous asteroid (PHA) Toutatis, at fairly close proximity. But according to NASA, "We already know that Toutatis will not hit Earth for hundreds of years," says Benner. Also exceptionally strong and and long-lastingaurora borealis last night. No geomagnetic storm though, this was one that can happen even when storms are in low ebb. But that's not all-- also a pretty spectacular shower of meteors from rock comet 3200 Phaethon is going on, peaking Dec. 13-14. All natural and normal phenomena, of course. But quite a few 'signs in the sky' at once for the believers. You live and learn.-á At any rate, you live.-á -Douglas Adams |

Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
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Posted - 2012.12.13 15:22:00 -
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pussnheels wrote: a like for you good sir for linking a fragment of one of my all time favourite films made by my all time favourite director with one of my all time favourite actors +1! My favorite movie ever, bar none. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.13 15:38:00 -
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Telegram Sam wrote:pussnheels wrote: a like for you good sir for linking a fragment of one of my all time favourite films made by my all time favourite director with one of my all time favourite actors +1! My favorite movie ever, bar none.
I was so glad over a decade ago now when it came out on DVD at correct Aspect Ratio and I could see Kubrick's B-52 shots wingtip to wingtip finally. RIP Vile Rat-á "The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about." - Oscar Wilde |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
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Posted - 2012.12.13 19:06:00 -
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One week is all that stands between us and uncertain doom.
NASA has released a video which is meant to be viewed after the 21st, but they released it early. HOW SUSPICIOUS. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

jason hill
The Riot Formation Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2012.12.13 20:57:00 -
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Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:40:00 -
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jason hill wrote:DFS end of world sale, make your death comfortable with 0% APR Representative for 4 years And... only one week left to max out all your credit cards! Special deal-- no payments ever after Dec. 21! |

Zack Korth
The Deneveh Collective High Rollers
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Posted - 2012.12.13 21:42:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:When the 'Dinosaur Asteroid' wiped out pretty much everything, there was not even a Mayan Calendar, obviously.
It is not required for a disaster to occur.
Anyone who even begins to see a connection with near randomly designed time-keeping constructs of the ancients as having some kind of predictive power towards absolutely natural forces of the cosmos is not sound of mind, and needs to be walked away from slowly, quietly.
i'm inclined to agree, BUT A MAN CAN DREAM CAN'T HE!!!? |

Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
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Posted - 2012.12.14 16:13:00 -
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Based on a friend's recommendation, I watched about 40 minutes of this 90-minute film on the 2012 stuff. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlfYHAV1i8w&feature=youtu.be This isn't a History Channel sensationalist doomsday mash-up. It's by metaphysical people (astrologers, students of the Vedas, etc.)
What they're saying is the Mayan Calendar didn't predict any disasters. It just predicts the end of this "age" and the beginning of another one. They say that that corresponds to the Vedic tradition, which says that the Earth/humanity go through cycles of ages. Golden, silver, bronze and iron. Golden - people have wisdom and higher consciousness. Silver - consciousness not quite as high, and materialism enters the picture. Bronze - you have good and bad inside the same family. Iron - you have good and bad inside the same individual. (This kind of parallels the golden, silver, bronze and iron ages of Greek mythology. Which makes sense, since India and Greece share Indo-European languages, so share common ancient roots). Anyway, the Vedic idea is at the end of the iron age, the world transitions back to a bronze age and eventually all the way back to a golden age. It's a back and forth rhythm that goes on forever.
The Mesoamerican (Mayan, Toltec, etc.) cosmologies also talk about humans having gone through four ages of consciousness. I've forgotten how they were labeled, but in the first age, people were courageous, wise, selfless, and were mighty magicians. We're in the fourth age now, and we're a bunch of puny, fearful, greedy, lying losers, compared to the earlier ages. (This wasn't in the film, it's from an anthropology class I took in school).
In any event, the various speakers in this film say the "doomsday" stuff about the age transition was just a lot of ignorance to start with, with media sensationalism capitalizing on it in the end. Just reporting what I saw and what I've read, but go ahead and troll/flame if you want.  |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.14 17:49:00 -
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That is so true in your last paragraph.
Like was stated somewhere above, the mass media should be blamed for preying on the uneducated and the fearfully religious.
Education, or the lack of, is a huge issue in America now especially, with even some Senators on the various Science committees even SAYING they do not believe in Science. It's a really tragic situation, and makes me glad to be one of the last with a good public education up till 1983.
Like Neil DeGrasse Tyson Tweeted in response to a ridiculous Apocalyptic Post that said the oncoming "Planet of Doom" could very well be invisible so he should believe that too, "If we do detect a planet like that coming our way, everyone wil definitely believe in Physics:. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
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Posted - 2012.12.15 00:11:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:As of now, we have merely 9 days, 9 hours, and 17 minutes until the end of the world. According to various sources, when the timer runs out we will enter another dimension, or the Annunaki return, or we align with the galactic center, or a massive solar flare cooks us all, or the magnetic poles of the Earth shift, or any number of other possibilities which are as terrifying as they are questionable. I've made this thread to chronicle any events leading up to that date, or to just have a place for us all to console eachother as our end draws near. So far the most notable activity is thousands of people gathering in Bugarach, France, which has seemingly been selected at random as a safe place to survive whatever mysterious horrors await us.
I'm selling ANTI doomsday tritanium in JITA, buy now to save yourself!!!!! |

pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
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Posted - 2012.12.15 11:04:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:pussnheels wrote: Media itself is partly to blame just look at the amount of documantries on history vhannel and similair tv channels about the upcomming doomsday in the last 2 years
Not just that either. I never thought I'd quit watching the History Channel, but with the amount of time they spend broadcasting dreck like "Ancient Aliens".......sad. History. Really ? edit: And the Learning Channel (TLC). Started as an offshoot of PBS if I remember correctly or some kind of public educational funds. Now shows "Honey Boo-Boo". 
aye i got very aggitated once when i stumbled on a episode of that series called ancient aliens , when on of those experts litteraly said , that those ancient culture didn't had the knowledge to draw a straight line and there fore it must be a extraterrestial alien influence
Where do they find these '''Experts '',this goes for those doomsday exper'ts aswell ...... really I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.15 13:51:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:pussnheels wrote: Media itself is partly to blame just look at the amount of documantries on history vhannel and similair tv channels about the upcomming doomsday in the last 2 years
Not just that either. I never thought I'd quit watching the History Channel, but with the amount of time they spend broadcasting dreck like "Ancient Aliens".......sad. History. Really ? edit: And the Learning Channel (TLC). Started as an offshoot of PBS if I remember correctly or some kind of public educational funds. Now shows "Honey Boo-Boo".  aye i got very aggitated once when i stumbled on a episode of that series called ancient aliens , when on of those experts litteraly said , that those ancient culture didn't had the knowledge to draw a straight line and there fore it must be a extraterrestial alien influence Where do they find these '''Experts '',this goes for those doomsday exper'ts aswell ...... really
It's the leagcty of that von Daniken fellow from the 70's. Had a bigger influence that I would of ever thought.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Daniken -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

Lugia3
Dromedaworks inc Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.12.15 17:05:00 -
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5 billion years and 2 days.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:24:00 -
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There's lots of good info on 'Ancient Aliens' but it ruins it all by including garbage. They should just stick to the facts instead of being so sensationalistic.
As for Erich Von Daniken, he only started it. There's so much credible information on advanced civilizations existing in ancient times now it's difficult to dismiss. Still up for argument whether or not they were buddies with aliens, but the idea of man's linear progression, becoming more and more intelligent and advanced, doesn't seem to match up with anything we know about ancient cultures. The Sumerian culture was the very first civilization we know of, and it appeared suddenly out of nowhere, with a legal system, government, medicine, and mathematics more complex than what we currently use, among other things. There's also these giant carved megaliths all over the Earth which are too heavy to be moved with our biggest cranes.
The Mayan/Olmec are another example. Because whether you believe in the whole doomsday thing or not, they had a knowledge of the stars which matches our own with everything modern tech can provide. They knew all about things thousands of years ago which we only discovered (rediscovered?) in the last 100 years, like the solar cycles of the sun, and various orbiting planets. All without so much as a telescope. There's even the Dogon tribe in Africa which knew about a planet orbiting a star in Sirius which is invisible to the naked eye, and on top of that they were tracking its orbit. Where do they say they learned about all that? They claim someone visited from there and told them.
Anyway, the French government has banned access to the mountain people are going to thinking they'll be safe there. And the article gives some insight into what exactly they think will happen there:
Quote:Rumours say the mountain will burst open on December 21 to reveal an alien spaceship which will save those nearby from the apocalypse
Which makes perfect sense.
Oh, and 5 days remain. This could be the last Saturday we ever know. Can't say i'll miss them much.
As an addendum to what i wrote about the Mayan/Olmec on the previous page, i'd like to add that i've found that some guy named Bolon Yokte is supposed to make a special appearance at the end of the calendar. Which i sincerely hope happens, just to blow everyones minds. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:30:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote: and mathematics more complex than what we currently use,
they had a knowledge of the stars which matches our own with everything modern tech can provide.
Sorry but I believe neither of these 2 points at all.
They had nothing approaching the accuracy of the Calculus (otherwise even the Egyptian Pyramids would be more accurate than they are).
Also, they could not know at all of what we have learned from the Hubble Deep Field. Not even what 'nebulae' really were. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
957
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:43:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Bane Necran wrote: and mathematics more complex than what we currently use,
they had a knowledge of the stars which matches our own with everything modern tech can provide. Sorry but I believe neither of these 2 points at all. They had nothing approaching the accuracy of the Calculus (otherwise even the Egyptian Pyramids would be more accurate than they are).
You might find this interesting. Or this for more info on their math system.
Quote:Also, they could not know at all of what we have learned from the Hubble Deep Field. Not even what 'nebulae' really were.
All we really learned from the deep field is that there are tons of Galaxies and nebulae out there, which wouldn't have surprised any of the ancient cultures i mentioned. None of them thought they were the center of the universe like the Europeans did for so long. They all knew space was really, really, big, and we were just one planet among many. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:58:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Bane Necran wrote: and mathematics more complex than what we currently use,
they had a knowledge of the stars which matches our own with everything modern tech can provide. Sorry but I believe neither of these 2 points at all. They had nothing approaching the accuracy of the Calculus (otherwise even the Egyptian Pyramids would be more accurate than they are). You might find this interesting. Or this for more in-depth info on their math system. And all you have to do is look into the Dresden codex to see their knowledge of astronomy. No one argues they weren't highly advanced. Quote:Also, they could not know at all of what we have learned from the Hubble Deep Field. Not even what 'nebulae' really were. All we really learned from the deep field is that there are tons of Galaxies and nebulae out there, which wouldn't have surprised any of the ancient cultures i mentioned. None of them thought they were the center of the universe like the Europeans did for so long. They all knew space was really, really, big, and we were just one planet among many.
That math is still nowhere close to the Calculus, at all.
And I guarantee you they had no idea of what the speed of light was. Or even wondered if it had a speed. It just 'was' to them.
And I've heard the thing about sirius, and it was definitely a story they told as part of a myth. If it can't be seen with the naked eye...they can't see or know of it fo real. QED.
Methinks you have been reading too much of this nonsense.
I do believe the Greeks had electric batteries though.
edit: also all these maths were off by quite a bit as they had no concept of zero at all.
2nd edit: also, what is this 21st Century looking to the past for solutions instead of thinking forward and finding new solutions ? I find it really seriously disturbing.
Without forward thinking, we would not be communicating in this way at all. Aand not nearly so fast. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |
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