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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
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Posted - 2012.12.15 19:51:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:That math is still nowhere close to the Calculus, at all
The sexagesimal system of math is much more complex than our current one. Everyone agrees on that. Some also claim it was more accurate at working with very small or very large numbers, so maybe even a better system than what we use.
And they were the first culture to use symbols to represent large numbers in Math, which could be considered the beginning of Algebra. Algebra was born in the same area, after all.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:And I guarantee you they had no idea of what the speed of light was. Or even wondered if it had a speed. It just 'was' to them.
And I've heard the thing about sirius, and it was definitely a story they told as part of a myth. If it can't be seen with the naked eye...they can't see or know of it fo real. QED.
Methinks you have been reading too much of this nonsense.
And methinks you haven't been reading about much of this at all. It's easy to just dismiss everything, or maybe at most go to the skeptics dictionary and let them tell you what to think. Read it all for yourself and decide. Don't even let me do the thinking for you.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:also, what is this 21st Century looking to the past for solutions instead of thinking forward and finding new solutions ? I find it really seriously disturbing.
Without forward thinking, we would not be communicating in this way at all. Aand not nearly so fast.
I don't think anyone is looking to the past for solutions. Just trying to make sense of our past. A lot of things don't add up. We can't be sure of our future without knowing our past. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
148
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Posted - 2012.12.15 21:22:00 -
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Even if the end of the world happens i'm refusing to acknowledge it since i'm seeing my GF again next saturday. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
1210
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Posted - 2012.12.15 21:58:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:The sexagesimal system of math is much more complex than our current one. Everyone agrees on that. Some also claim it was more accurate at working with very small or very large numbers, so maybe even a better system than what we use.
And they were the first culture to use symbols to represent large numbers in Math, which could be considered the beginning of Algebra. Algebra was born in the same area, after all.
And methinks you haven't been reading about much of this at all. It's easy to just dismiss everything, or maybe at most go to the skeptics dictionary and let them tell you what to think. Read it all for yourself and decide. Don't even let me do the thinking for you.
I don't think anyone is looking to the past for solutions. Just trying to make sense of our past. A lot of things don't add up. We can't be sure of our future without knowing our past.
One of the main points of mathematics is simplification, not complexity. The calculus allows extensions of itself to be applied not only to biology and chemistry, but astronomy....and just about anything else. In fact everything. And yes Algebra was born in the same area. But even then the concept of Integration was nonexistent and unknown. And their system is unworkable for quantuum equations and Infinite Set Theory in particular. Also again, no zero. 1-1 equaled the unknown.
Our system is just fine with both large and small numbers. Not sure what that statement is supposed to mean.
None of this is 'better' than our system in anyway. Otherwise, every mathemetician would have poo-poohed Newton and his Principia awhile back. If anyone ever wrote a proof of the existence of God, every scientist and mathematician would immediately start believeing. Trust me on that one.
Thank you for presenting what you did. Yes, I read through it all and have come to my own conclusions. None of it was alien or wrong, but none of your statements are concludable by the materials presented.
Finally, blame those who burned the Library at Alexandria. That's where all the amazing ancient truths were kept. That we do know. Yes, it's sad it's mostly all gone. Without that, which is not recovarable, we just are not going to know. I'm sure they had some fascinating lost ideas that we have not thought of or different methods of aproach to what we have had to re-learn.
I just do not believe these systems were better or more efficient. We would have adopted them if so. That's all really. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
1210
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Posted - 2012.12.15 21:59:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Even if the end of the world happens i'm refusing to acknowledge it since i'm seeing my GF again next saturday.
That will happen. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1699
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:09:00 -
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I for one hope for mass suicide on a global scale so I can read about it on the 22nd and have a jolly good laugh. Allow me to be frank. You will not like me. You will not like me now, and you will not like men++ a good deal less as we go on. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
The Scope Gallente Federation
1210
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:14:00 -
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That is one of the few times I would laugh over that kind of circumstance.
Culling the herd, indeed.
edit: 4 typos if you can believe that. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
27
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Posted - 2012.12.15 22:19:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Finally, blame those who burned the Library at Alexandria. That's where all the amazing ancient truths were kept. That we do know. Yes, it's sad it's mostly all gone. Without that, which is not recovarable, we just are not going to know. I'm sure they had some fascinating lost ideas that we have not thought of or different methods of aproach to what we have had to re-learn
silly augustus and his legions. |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
958
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Posted - 2012.12.16 19:54:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
One of the main points of mathematics is simplification, not complexity. The calculus allows extensions of itself to be applied not only to biology and chemistry, but astronomy....and just about anything else. In fact everything. And yes Algebra was born in the same area. But even then the concept of Integration was nonexistent and unknown. And their system is unworkable for quantuum equations and Infinite Set Theory in particular. Also again, no zero. 1-1 equaled the unknown.
Our system is just fine with both large and small numbers. Not sure what that statement is supposed to mean.
None of this is 'better' than our system in anyway. Otherwise, every mathemetician would have poo-poohed Newton and his Principia awhile back. If anyone ever wrote a proof of the existence of God, every scientist and mathematician would immediately start believeing. Trust me on that one.
Thank you for presenting what you did. Yes, I read through it all and have come to my own conclusions. None of it was alien or wrong, but none of your statements are concludable by the materials presented.
Finally, blame those who burned the Library at Alexandria. That's where all the amazing ancient truths were kept. That we do know. Yes, it's sad it's mostly all gone. Without that, which is not recovarable, we just are not going to know. I'm sure they had some fascinating lost ideas that we have not thought of or different methods of aproach to what we have had to re-learn.
I just do not believe these systems were better or more efficient. We would have adopted them if so. That's all really.
None of this has much to do with the thread anymore, and you're just derailing it.
You don't seem to really understand how a sexegesimal math system works, and got confused about it having no zero, so i'm not sure you're qualified to comment. I'll take the opinion of all the math historians who say the sexegesimal system is more complex than one based on zero, if you don't mind. Anyway, lets leave the Sumerians behind.
We lost some information in the Library of Alexandria, but you'd be surprised how much still exists, out of the public eye. Knowledge is power, and some people want to keep that power to themselves. You won't be taught it in school or on TV, but it remains to be found by anyone who searches hard enough, and can separate the wheat from the chaff. Sure the common people with their herd mentality may dismiss it on the grounds that it's not what they were taught in school so must be lies, and never consider it any further, but they're just societal dead weight, anyway. Anyone who can't use their mind to its full capacity, and instead takes the easy route of consensus trance, is no better than an animal.
But back to the Mayans and the remote possibility of doom in just 4 days.
More dubious info from the people gathering at that mountain in France.
And businesses predictably looking to cash in on the hysteria. Featuring the 'Burgergeddon'. I'm surprised that took so long. For 2000 everywhere i looked for months prior there were "don't pay a cent until 2001" sales going on, hoping to take advantage of anyone silly enough to think they'd never have to pay.
Meanwhile the Mayans aren't sweating it. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1215
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Posted - 2012.12.16 21:16:00 -
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No.
You just seem to want to dismiss modern science entirely or something.
The other side will olways seem wrong to the other side.
This isn't a contest.
The most brilliant minds can barely fathom dark matter and energy, much less myself.
There will always be mysteries. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
783
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Posted - 2012.12.16 21:28:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Finally, blame those who burned the Library at Alexandria. That's where all the amazing ancient truths were kept. That we do know. Yes, it's sad it's mostly all gone. Without that, which is not recovarable, we just are not going to know. I'm sure they had some fascinating lost ideas that we have not thought of or different methods of aproach to what we have had to re-learn silly augustus and his legions. it waasn t the romans who burned it down it were the citizen of alexandria itself more preciesly its christian population , and they burned it down because the library contained works that questioned the their truth about the bible
It would take more than 300 years before we had a new golden age of science and that was during the golden age of islam ( 700 to 1100 AD) and sadly ended when a influencial Iman proclaimed it all to be the devils work
the world had to wait till the 17 th century when people like descartes , gallileo and newton (and many more) would finally shatter the bonds of dogmatic religions
back to topic
the mayans and other central and south american culture might have had a good sense of time keeping , afterall their upperclasses had not much else to do between sacrificing countleess number of humans but their knowledge was in time keeping , noway do they even approach a understanding of the universe as our scientist have now actually their view and understanding where ratherr primitive and to be honest laughable , the maya s actually believed earth was flat and less than 10000 year old , if you do have a good knowledge of the universe you would know better I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
960
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Posted - 2012.12.16 21:35:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:You just seem to want to dismiss modern science entirely or something.
I'm not sure where you're getting that. I'm obsessed with modern science.
This is just about how so-called primitive cultures had advanced knowledge of things. There's no denying they did. The only thing up for argument is how. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
32
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Posted - 2012.12.16 21:41:00 -
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the romans may not have destroyed it completely. but it did get damaged in several roman campaigns there. caesar damaged it during the egyptian revolts following cleopatra's elevation to power. and augustus certainly caused it harm during his siege of alexandria during the final months of his conflict with marcus antonius.
it's hard to pin down who is most repsonsible. the library was subjected to fire many times. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1216
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Posted - 2012.12.16 21:50:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:You just seem to want to dismiss modern science entirely or something. I'm not sure where you're getting that. I'm obsessed with modern science. This is just about how so-called primitive cultures had advanced knowledge of things. There's no denying they did. The only thing up for argument is how.
You claimed they had better math than the Calculus. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
784
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Posted - 2012.12.17 08:01:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:the romans may not have destroyed it completely. but it did get damaged in several roman campaigns there. caesar damaged it during the egyptian revolts following cleopatra's elevation to power. and augustus certainly caused it harm during his siege of alexandria during the final months of his conflict with marcus antonius.
it's hard to pin down who is most repsonsible. the library was subjected to fire many times. again not the romans aswell not during the firsdt and second triumvirate , iif i remember correctly octavian was proclaimed emperor Augustus in 29 bc , please correct me if i m wrong on the date the city itself wasn't touch nor were the great monuments , the library and the lighthouse damaged and Alexandria went into a second golden age , becoming the Major trade and city of learning city in the classical world untill emperor constantine decided to make constantinopel his capital even then the city flourished and was one of the major trading hubs ; its decline only started after the fall of constantinople in 1457 but by then all the great monuments had dissapeared and faded into history I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
784
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Posted - 2012.12.17 13:00:00 -
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second thoughts the world will end on friday december 21
only found out a few hours ago that a person dear to me at the office is going on pension this thursday she is our cleaners on this floor and a lovely charming person who is always there if you needed her i can only admire her trully will feel like the end of the world for us at the office I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

Calico-Jack Daniels
Tear Harvesting Incorporated
33
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:40:00 -
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"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1218
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Posted - 2012.12.17 14:47:00 -
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Calico-Jack Daniels wrote:"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."
Yes....see my posting above about the rural family doomsday gatherings in Arkansas.
I believe they simply cannot read (such as the passage your statement is from), and are only told. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

Khergit Deserters
268
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Posted - 2012.12.17 16:00:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: And I've heard the thing about sirius, and it was definitely a story they told as part of a myth. If it can't be seen with the naked eye...they can't see or know of it fo real. QED. I don't follow. Are you saying that: -The Dogon didn't have the technology to see the planet -Therefore, that proves that they did not know that it exists? Just because current science can't explain how they knew it, that doesn't mean that they didn't know it. That's a problem with Western science, I think. It denies anything which cannot be proved. And by proved, they mean measured and quantified. Measured using only the tools and theories that are currently available. That Cartesian thinking, of breaking things down into discrete, measurable components, works well for concrete things like engineering. But Heisenberg's theory has shown, not everything in the universe can be pinned down, broken into its components, and measured with a 21st century measuring tool.
I personally think that "paranormal events", "miracles," or whatever you want to call them do happen. And that there's a scientific explanation for them. We just haven't found it yet. You live and learn.-á At any rate, you live.-á -Douglas Adams |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1219
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Posted - 2012.12.17 16:04:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: I personally think that "paranormal events", "miracles," or whatever you want to call them do happen. And that there's a scientific explanation for them. We just haven't found it yet.
This statement I do agree with wholeheartedly.
edit: I've experienced a few myself. Too long a story to relate here.
But if it is not detected with the senses, like that planet, it's not real. It's myth.
There is no explanation for Medusa as she could not really be seen, heard, etc., much less really experienced. Therefore fiction.
The difference between truth and mythology in ancient eras is a job for better minds than you or I. They are called Anthropologists. -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

Eurydia Vespasian
Nova Insula Mining and Industrial legion of extraordinary Idi0ts
38
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Posted - 2012.12.17 17:15:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:There is no explanation for Medusa as she could not really be seen, heard, etc., much less really experienced. Therefore fiction
actually, medusa is real. she works in HR at my hospital. she's put on a good deal of weight though.
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
961
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Posted - 2012.12.17 18:33:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:You claimed they had better math than the Calculus.
No, i claimed a sexagesimal math system is more complex than the one we use. Which it is. If you were to do calculus using a sexigesimal system it would be more complex. Calculus isn't what all our math is based on, its just an application of it.
But back to the DOOM, in just 3 days Bolon Yukte will manifest and begin roaming the planet, godzilla-like, destroying everything in his path. According to one interpretation of the Mayan texts.
And i'm not saying beings of light are landing on Earth, but beings of light are now landing on Earth. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
1225
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Posted - 2012.12.17 19:55:00 -
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Thank goodness I'm old enough to know when my leg is being pulled by Chinese using ultra-cheap video cameras and exploiting their visual kinks ala David Lynch in "Inland Empire". -á"I am not young enough to know everything." - Oscar Wilde |

Elias Greyhand
2716
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Posted - 2012.12.17 19:59:00 -
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I'm fully open to the end of the world if it wipes out the company I work for. "That which is done cannot be undone. But it can be avenged." |

Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
161
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Posted - 2012.12.18 07:47:00 -
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More than two day left, regarding to some theory, after two day, my mind, consciousness and my DNA change ;) cant wait ;D just kidding, i dont believe this story, however it would be cool. EvE isn't game, its style of living. |

Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
47
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Posted - 2012.12.18 21:49:00 -
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You know, I am weeks of retiring now, I can almost touch it, taste it, see it. So if this damned prophecy does come true, I will be SO pigged off! |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
963
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Posted - 2012.12.18 22:27:00 -
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In a scant 2 days we meet our improbable end.
It's being claimed that 10% of the world believes this.
I neglected to mention it before, but over the last week Russia has seemingly been affected the most, and now efforts are being made to calm people down.
I'm skeptical the Mayans mentioned a 'Dark Rift', but this is still an interesting look into what some people believe makes the date significant. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

digitalwanderer
DF0 incorporated
113
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Posted - 2012.12.19 03:24:00 -
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Wanna know what's truly funny?.......
I read an article in the local newspaper yesterday that since the end of the roman empire, there has been no less than 182 dates that predicted doomsday for mankind, so it averages 1 every 10 years or so.....In other words, it's just guessing on very little that can be considered hard facts or anywhere near complete information, and/or con artists trying to gain something with them.
The latest is that if the upcoming one doesn't happen, wich is the likely scenario, some are already advancing the end coming in 2016 but i can't remember the exact date....In any case, the only date i believe in the short term is 2036 since there's a little 300 meter asteriod named apophis that might be on earth's trajectory, but it all depends on how close it gets to earth in 2029 and if it's sufficiently affected by earths gravity to alter it enough for the fatal hit in 2036.
Yup, it takes 7 years for every orbit for this particular rock, but it is based on hard evidence that the danger is real even if the odds of it happening are pretty low.....It'll actually have to pass between the earth and the moon in terms of distance, and should be quite a show as we don't get to see asteriods that close that are that large very often.
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/ |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
964
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Posted - 2012.12.19 03:31:00 -
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Oh yeah, the reason i'm so jaded about this is because i've seen a few doomsdays come and go.
I heard someone once suggest the reason people want the world to end in their lifetime is because they don't like the idea of it continuing after they die. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
510
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Posted - 2012.12.19 15:35:00 -
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Well, two days to go, and it seems pretty quiet. No volcanic eruptions, big tsunamis, missiles from Iran, etc. Even the lady in my office who always talks on the phone at volume 10 is quiet. Hmm, maybe that's a sign in itself.... |

Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
5564
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Posted - 2012.12.19 15:39:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Oh yeah, the reason i'm so jaded about this is because i've seen a few doomsdays come and go.
I heard someone once suggest the reason people want the world to end in their lifetime is because they don't like the idea of it continuing after they die.
That makes a lot of sense if you ask me.
Still i shall be watching 2012 on the 21st. Yay for bad science.
But now bets are being hedged, some are saying 2026 as apparently a manhattan sized rock will come really close to us and wipe us out. Post with your brainGäó |
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