Trolls, trolls and pathetic excuses for griefers everywhere.

With current (hopelessly broken) standing system you lose faction standing when shooting at "fellow" militia members even if they have aggroed you first, and have suspect timer and limited engagement timer with you. You still lose faction standings by just shooting back.

Btw Caldari, you appear to be running out of systems. Enjoy not being able to dock anywhere in lowsec, Soon(tm).

Clarifying what's going on...

The root of the issue: Retribution changed the "in my militia" overview state to "in my militia or one allied to mine".

What the issue is:

• Shooting neutrals gives you a Suspect Flag (used to be GCC) .
• Shooting people in your own militia (blues) gives you Suspect Flag (used to be GCC) and docks your standings with your militia to discourage shooting allies.
• Shooting people in an allied militia (now also blues) only gives you a Suspect flag (used to be GCC), and does not penalize you for shooting allies.

Previous to Retribution, the third bullet point did not exist, as allied militia just showed up as neutral. The lack of differentiation between "my militia" and "allied militia" is making it unclear who is shootable and with what consequences.

OP, you could take this issue to the CSM or Features & Ideas to get addressed.

Please keep the comments constructive.

I'd like to point out that, for a more official venue for discussion, von Khan reposted this issue in Assembly Hall.

Also, Hans, the wardec solution does not work for those in NPC FW corps (TLF, 24IC, FDU, STPRO) since wardecs are not something they can declare or receive.

Nobody doing this is in NPC corps, as you get kicked very soon. People use their own corps for this for years now.

I will warn you right now that AWOX-ing already has a tried-and-true, player-driven solution. Wardec the offending individuals if they are in a player corp, set standings and overview to view them as red, and eke revenge as necessary. I personally do not believe in an any kind of contrived mechanic to prevent purple-on-purple attacks. This is EVE Online, unsolicited PvP is everywhere, Faction Warfare should be no exception.

That being said, the OP has a point in that labeling two factions the same color while having differing standings penalties is confusing, and against the stated purpose of Crimewatch 2.0 which is to make rules and penalties crystal clear. I will speak to CCP about this and in the meantime, situational awareness is everything. Remember - no amount of visual distinction between militias will tell you who's about to AWOX you. I think the solution here lies more in the standings penalty than trying to encourage people to rely on someone's color to warn you of danger.

As the greatest practitioner of the art said:

n++[ 2012.01.15 18:36:17 ] Adolf Ehrnrooth > you were in fully armed combat ship

As the greatest practitioner of the art said:

n++[ 2012.01.15 18:36:17 ] Adolf Ehrnrooth > you were in fully armed combat ship

And CCP are imo a bad company to dress up FW as allied combat. It appears to be nothing more than a place for alts in cloaky stabbed ships to generate tremendous amounts of LP defensive plexing while at zero risk to themselves

Omg ;p. I was thinking on giving FW a try but glad i read this. It's funy how the people killing say ''part of the game'' ''hardcore yo''. That's not real pvp lol ;p.. attcking somebody you are suppose to be allied with o0. As the other guys said, it's about as valid as killing your own alt.

Just throwing this out there: I have been in FW for over three months now and I have witnessed an AWOX only once...due to an overview problem regarding a pilot's security status overriding their ally status.

CCPs default overview is really bad and needs to be fixed. I think it places the negative sec status background as a priority over someone being in your militia. So most attacks on miliita are not from awoxing and ccp should give us a better default overview.