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Riddari	Posted - 2005.05.20 11:51:00 - [1] A lot of people bleat about ISK becoming worthless since everyone is a billionaire. Personally I've never been close to hitting that figure in my wallet, if I scrounge together my bpo's, rare modules and ships I might maybe reach 1 billion in assets. Could EVE Devs actually demonstrate what the average wallet looks like? Can they do a couple queries and find (names withheld of course) for example: Highest amount of ISK in one persons wallet Number of people with negative ISK in wallet Number of people with 0-1m ISK Number of people with 1-100m ISK Number of people with 100m-1b ISK Number of people with 1b-10b ISK Number of people with 10b+ ISK Average ISK amount Median ISK amount and maybe some more statistical figures others can come up with (I'm using the american billion 1000m since it seems to be used by most players) I really want to see if the vocal minority of several old timers on these boards that complain about billionaires are in fact right, or if in fact THEY are the only billionaires in this game, an "elite" of 1% or so. ¼©¼ a history
Baconjoe	Posted - 2005.05.20 11:55:00 - [2] I would love to see this We are cursed men
Reatu Krentor	Posted - 2005.05.20 11:55:00 - [3] Y'know if those people complaining about having too much isk would pass it to me and you they wouldn't have a problem ------------------------------------------ The ammatar are not the enemy, they are the smoke and mirrors of the amarr.
Taz Devlin	Posted - 2005.05.20 12:01:00 - [4] Originally by: Baconjoe I would love to see this Word Allways move fast, you never know who's catching up!
Liger	Posted - 2005.05.20 12:12:00 - [5] good Q, I dont have a clue if 1 billion is that much. It is a lot, but still, want to fly caldari navy ravens in 3 months... expensive ****
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.05.20 12:31:00 - [6] I belive Oveur posted in a thread afew weeks back that less than a dozen people have 10b+ personal cash, though finding that quote would be the whole needle in a haystack thing. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Jon Hawkes	Posted - 2005.05.20 12:36:00 - [7] I'd have difficulty measuring this, as pretty much all the money I make and ships I have get ploughed into the corporation as corporate property, available to all members. I'm sure that there must be other players who operate this kind of system, so personal wealth is virtually a non concept. And yes, I do realise I'm talking about socialism here , but it works for our corp!
Jherek Cornelian	Posted - 2005.05.20 12:39:00 - [8] There must be more than that. I know 4 people with over that amount and I only know like 70 players maximum. Power players in the big corperations must have over 20 billion, also anyone with a decent tech 2 bpo must have over 10 bill. As I'm neither of these I have to save up for kestrels but such is life.
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.05.20 12:40:00 - [9] I think he was talking pure cash only in a personal wallet, but hell, i'll see if i can find the quote. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Rasta Rocketman	Posted - 2005.05.20 12:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Trooper B99 I think he was talking pure cash only in a personal wallet, but hell, i'll see if i can find the quote. Pure cash is one thing, but how many people carry their riches in their wallets? I think most have it tied up in investments of sorts like BPOs or POSs or whatever no? _______________________________________________ "I spilled spot remover on my dog....now he's gone." -Steven Wright

Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.05.20 13:21:00 - [11] /me shrugs well, I have had up to 8b personal wllet cash myself, but i've probably got less than a 1/5 that left now in hard cash maybe 1/2 with my items added up. I just go by what i remember him saying, i just have to find that durned thread to confirm/deny it. Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
Darkwolf	Posted - 2005.05.20 13:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Rasta Rocketman Pure cash is one thing, but how many people carry their riches in their wallets? I think most have it tied up in investments of sorts like BPOs or POSs or whatever no? Isk 'tied up in investments' is totally irrelevant from an inflation point of view. What counts is the amount of actual isk in the economy.
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.05.20 13:29:00 - [13] I rarely have more than 1b in my wallet, but my net worth is uh.. lets just say.. no where near that. _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.05.20 13:33:00 - [14] hehe I have never achieved more than 300m in my wallet and then its off to naga for intys :) in assets I have a billion maybe, over two characters.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.05.20 13:53:00 - [15] Well compared to the real world. Thousands = 100's Millions = 100,000's Billions = 1Mill Then again, Eve made doing missions like getting a multi-billion dollar corp straight out of college for everyone in the world. To think, people turn it down ;) Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri -The Frig-
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.05.20 14:04:00 - [16] personally I only have around 400 -> 600 mil in my wallet at any given time cause I usually spend it on stupidly expensive stuff to recklessly use on various ships (people say thats crazy but wtf else are expensive modules there for!?). So in summary, I recon in current market I have apprx 6 -> 8 bil in modules and then a whole horde of ships. I think you will find that most people will have the majority of their wealth tied up in assets rather than loose change, loose change just doesnt feel the same :P
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2005.05.20 14:12:00 - [17] Edited by: Jane Vladmir on 20/05/2005 14:14:53 I've got 44m and a helios. Thanks CCP! You ruined my wallet by changing the 1 digit ingame AND making me have to take down the 180+ sell orders when I had a 17max. I hope you're happy
V2GBR	Posted - 2005.05.20 14:14:00 - [18] Ive been playing over 12 months and the most i have had is 400 mil. Isk is there to be spent its toy money. ---------- http://guc.webinventions.co.uk <-- GUC Site. www.webinventions.co.uk <-- My eve history.
mahhy	Posted - 2005.05.20 14:29:00 - [19] Originally by: V2GBR Ive been playing over 12 months and the most i have had is 400 mil. Isk is there to be spent its toy money. Zactly... I think I maxed out around 350mill once, across 2 caharacters. I've got less than that now, but I've also got gobs more ships/gear/loot/minerals, so I don't have a clue what my actual net worth would be. It would intersting to know the stats mentioned in the original post though. Whats the largest single character wallet in the game?? I bet... 100billion.
Hast	Posted - 2005.05.20 15:06:00 - [20] most I've had is 1billion, but I gues I average at 30mill or so Isk are there to be spent and lost

Hast	Posted - 2005.05.20 15:08:00 - [21] and I would also like to see how many of the people with over a billion or so has been awarded a t2 bpo through the lottery
Stepping Razor	Posted - 2005.05.20 15:09:00 - [22] I think I've got a billion in ships alone. I too don't keep a lot of ready Isk, but my wallet's several hundred mil for sure. Inflation is without a doubt occuring. I agree with many others who have said there are numberous means of making Isk from NPCs, yet very few NPC Isk sinks. I think what we REALLY need is to have Trit and Pyerite sold by NPC mining corps in large supplies. That'd clear out a lot of isk over time, push down the price of BSes a bit and save those who are willing to pay for it the chance to stock up on lows reasonably conveniently. Razor Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon CCP is the best at at least three things: 1. Really, really fun gameplay 2. Good forum presence 3. Inventing new and exciting ways to bring about in-game catacly
Hast	Posted - 2005.05.20 15:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Stepping Razor I think I've got a billion in ships alone. I too don't keep a lot of ready Isk, but my wallet's several hundred mil for sure. Inflation is without a doubt occuring. I agree with many others who have said there are numberous means of making Isk from NPCs, yet very few NPC Isk sinks. I think what we REALLY need is to have Trit and Pyerite sold by NPC mining corps in large supplies. That'd clear out a lot of isk over time, push down the price of BSes a bit and save those who are willing to pay for it the chance to stock up on lows reasonably conveniently. not a bad idea, coupled with the NWO and if they only sell it in high sec empire there might be money made on trading it aswell
Rasta Rocketman	Posted - 2005.05.20 15:33:00 - [24] Guesss it depends on your chosen profession too. Balls-to-the-wall-PvPer = normally much less cash careful PvPer = possibly tons of isk carebear = ridiculous isk _______________________________________________ "I spilled spot remover on my dog....now he's gone." -Steven Wright
Genevieve Blue	Posted - 2005.05.20 15:35:00 - [25] Originally by: Stepping Razor I think I've got a billion in ships alone. I too don't keep a lot of ready Isk, but my wallet's several hundred mil for sure. Inflation is without a doubt occuring. I agree with many others who have said there are numberous means of making Isk from NPCs, yet very few NPC Isk sinks. I think what we REALLY need is to have Trit and Pyerite sold by NPC mining corps in large supplies. That'd clear out a lot of isk over time, push down the price of BSes a bit and save those who are willing to pay for it the chance to stock up on lows reasonably conveniently. Yeah, thanks, keep inflation in check by nerfing me out of the game, really appreciate it.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.05.20 15:38:00 - [26] Quote: Guesss it depends on your chosen profession too. Balls-to-the-wall-PvPer = normally much less cash careful PvPer = possibly tons of isk carebear = ridiculous isk Jealousy & ignorance in one small post ... Cool MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Rasta Rocketman	Posted - 2005.05.20 15:43:00 - [27] Originally by: MOOstradamus Quote: Guesss it depends on your chosen profession too. Balls-to-the-wall-PvPer = normally much less cash careful PvPer = possibly tons of isk carebear = ridiculous isk Jealousy & ignorance in one small post ... Cool Jealous? no. Isk grinding in a video game is something I wouldn't wish on anyone but to each his own I suppose. As for the PvP stuff, this is after about 1.5 years eve PvP experience talking. If that is wrong, enlighten me oh wise one. _______________________________________________ "I spilled spot remover on my dog....now he's gone." -Steven Wright
The Enslaver	Posted - 2005.05.20 16:09:00 - [28] Its easily possible to be very wealthy and focus on PVP. I (usually) focus on total PVP; and I have multiple billions in raw isk, and multiple billions in assets (actual figures are for me to know ). Its all about attitude, determination and so on - if you are willing to invest, etc... it pays off. -------- FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU.
Princess Beefcurtains	Posted - 2005.05.20 16:15:00 - [29] Originally by: Rasta Rocketman Originally by: MOOstradamus Quote: Guesss it depends on your chosen profession too. Balls-to-the-wall-PvPer = normally much less cash careful PvPer = possibly tons of isk carebear = ridiculous isk Jealousy & ignorance in one small post ... Cool Jealous? no. Isk grinding in a video game is something I wouldn't wish on anyone but to each his own I suppose. As for the PvP stuff, this is after about 1.5 years eve PvP experience talking. If that is wrong, enlighten me oh wise one. EBAY 4TW
Stepping Razor	Posted - 2005.05.20 17:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Genevieve Blue Originally by: Stepping Razor I think I've got a billion in ships alone. I too don't keep a lot of ready Isk, but my wallet's several hundred mil for sure. Inflation is without a doubt occuring. I agree with many others who have said there are numberous means of making Isk from NPCs, yet very few NPC Isk sinks. I think what we REALLY need is to have Trit and Pyerite sold by NPC mining corps in large supplies. That'd clear out a lot of isk over time, push down the price of BSes a bit and save those who are willing to pay for it the chance to stock up on lows reasonably conveniently. Yeah, thanks, keep inflation in check by nerfing me out of the game, really appreciate it. Look, if you prefer to mine in space with zero NPCs, then you can make decent living mining ice in a 0.9 or in Yulai, another commodity the community needs badly. OTOH, if you like to mine asteroids and want to make some isk, then move out of 0.9 and into 0.6/0.5, where you're still reasonably safe from other players but are able to make good isk with the currently insane prices of isogen. I should also mention that just because NPCs have big sell orders, doesn't mean players lose Isk. If base NPC started off @ current regional averages for Trit and Pyerite and operated as they do currently with other NPC commodities, you'd still have excellent prices in major centres (Yulai, etc) whereas ppl willing to travel a 10 jumps out could but it quite affordably. And since all NPC sell orders go up or down based on sales, you'd find prices just as high or higher in major centres, and increasingly affordable in the back end of nowhere :) But hey, feel free to flame a good idea as soon as it threatens the tiny niche you've made yourself in the game Razor Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon CCP is the best at at least three things: 1. Really, really fun gameplay 2. Good forum presence 3. Inventing new and exciting ways to bring about in-game catacly



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