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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.12.16 06:37:00 -
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I Love Boobies wrote:Be4st wrote: 2 months ago, I created an alt that would have eventually flown a Rattlesnake. That was a waste of time training as his main DPS is from drones which don't last very long now. . Dude, my Rattlesnake does missions just fine, even better than before, even with the new NPC AI. Why do I say it is better? Because they buffed the drone upgrade mods, and now I am getting well over 1000dps with the Rattlesnake by using Inferno Fury and Garde IIs, which is more than 100 more dps pre-retribution. Also, they removed the penalties on t2 missiles, so my signature radius is much lower too, so I am taking less damage. Grow some balls son.
I fly two drone boats in a pair. They RR each other, so the NPCs quite happily target the mission-hardened battleships instead of the T2 sentry drones (well, most of the time).
Be4st wrote:I cant live like this and I refuse to join those elitist morons with incursions.
So fly with the non-elitist intelligent people who drag kitchen sink fleets along to Incursions?
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Kanta Kansene
Agentes in rebus Relativity Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.16 06:51:00 -
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Caracal Navy Issue will rip through missions. In level 1 missions, the rats can't hit you because your range exceeds theirs and you don't even need to group your weapons, 1 to 2 missiles total will pop them. Level 2's aren't much different, the larger ships may require a full volley or even two. I never really tried level 3 missions in my navy Caracal, because by that time I had a drake that could lob heavies out to what has now been reduced to 52 km, still plenty far enough to hit anything in a level 3 mission. Level 4 missions are, from what is often said on these forums, tuned to be run in a battleship, so if the changes made it too hard to run in a battlecruiser hull, you may want to try out a battleship. My CNR is slow, but it gets the job done without much trouble. I've moved to nullsec recently, so I don't run missions any more, but the drake and the CNR both do well in anomalies. I don't know how much the nerf was needed, but it definitely didn't make my ratting/mission running harder, just made me have to get a little closer and fire a few more missiles. |
Opertone
Aurora Empire Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2012.12.16 09:15:00 -
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How about you fly like a man?
Get your torpedoes, target painters ready, Golem is your lvl 4 ship.
I hate to hear about the missile nerf, but tengu is for exploration of low and null and WH.
lvl 4 and hi sec is meant for other stuff. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
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Posted - 2012.12.16 10:27:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:The navy Caracal is quite a lot of fun
Here is a concept. When you want to post a personal opinion, use one of your alts not associated with ISD / CCP.
Maybe it would be better if you did not post personal opinion with a ISD char that is supposed to be neutral and supposed to protect the integrity of the forums, rather than take a personal position on one side of a debate or the other?
Or can this suggestion that you be neutral be construed as a "personal attack"?
Waiting expectantly for my ban...... |
flakeys
Angels of Anarchy AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2012.12.16 10:28:00 -
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I heard drone ships are awsome ... There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2012.12.16 12:03:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:by nuked missiles, you mean buffed every missile system in the game except standard heavy missiles?
i guess every single one apart from your drake and tengu, but even those ships are fine, just put hams on them. Wait how did they buff cruise missiles? You know the missile system most people point at and laugh when brought up? |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
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Posted - 2012.12.16 12:08:00 -
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The world Balance doesn't mean a thing to carebears. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
Oberine Noriepa
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Posted - 2012.12.16 12:24:00 -
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Be4st wrote:I have just tried missions since Retribution got put in place and I must say... I feel like crying. I have always used missile ships in PVE. I was using a Tengu until it got highsec ganked so now I use a passive Nighthawk. With the missile nerf, I find it hard hitting **** past 40 km with heavies and if a target goes faster than me, I cant even whip out my drones to kill it as they get blapp'd in seconds. 2 months ago, I created an alt that would have eventually flown a Rattlesnake. That was a waste of time training as his main DPS is from drones which don't last very long now. I PVP and my main income was from missions. I used to get 10 mill ticks and just now after the 2 missions I did, I am getting 2 mill ticks. I cant live like this and I refuse to join those elitist morons with incursions.
So... what are my other options? What ships can I fly in missions? I can fly every T1 sub-cap, nearly every T2 and all T3's but the only large T2's I can use are torps which are useless. I can use all small and medium T2 weaponry and I have decent specialisation skills with them.
Edit - Please don't bypass the profanity filter. ISD Suvetar Sounds like a personal problem. Perhaps you should smarten up when you fly a Tengu in missions? Speed tanking in conjunction with active shield tanking still works extremely well. I would know, as I've had absolutely no problems flying my Tengu in L4s or epic arcs. |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.12.16 12:32:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Use a Tengu. Just don't pimp it out. It doesn't need to be anything other then T2 fit for all L4 missions.
That said, a nicely pimped out Tengu running 6 HAM launchers will put out well over 1000dps with Rage, or over 800dps with Javelins. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Risien Drogonne
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.16 16:37:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:The world Balance doesn't mean a thing to carebears. Useless generalizations ftw! |
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.12.16 16:49:00 -
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ashley Eoner wrote: Wait how did they buff cruise missiles? You know the missile system most people point at and laugh when brought up?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029 -> google doc
Fury cruise damage was increased, explosion radius was buffed, but range was cut a bit. Precision missile damage and explosion velocity were buffed. T2 ammo ship penalties were removed. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
204
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Posted - 2012.12.16 17:52:00 -
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Be4st wrote:I have just tried missions since Retribution got put in place and I must say... I feel like crying. I have always used missile ships in PVE. I was using a Tengu until it got highsec ganked so now I use a passive Nighthawk. With the missile nerf, I find it hard hitting **** past 40 km with heavies and if a target goes faster than me, I cant even whip out my drones to kill it as they get blapp'd in seconds. 2 months ago, I created an alt that would have eventually flown a Rattlesnake. That was a waste of time training as his main DPS is from drones which don't last very long now. I PVP and my main income was from missions. I used to get 10 mill ticks and just now after the 2 missions I did, I am getting 2 mill ticks. I cant live like this and I refuse to join those elitist morons with incursions.
So... what are my other options? What ships can I fly in missions? I can fly every T1 sub-cap, nearly every T2 and all T3's but the only large T2's I can use are torps which are useless. I can use all small and medium T2 weaponry and I have decent specialisation skills with them.
Edit - Please don't bypass the profanity filter. ISD Suvetar
Im still using a HM Tengu HM + Drone Gila
The only HM that has a 40ish km range now is the Precision T2 missile, but that shouldn't be a problem as the small/fast targets it's designed to hit generally close to within 'webbing' distance (under 15km)
Fury HM's goto 70km & Navy HM's still reach 90km, and generall most mission npcs spawn around the 50km range or closer, with only small parts of them spawning at 100km+, a 10mn AB on T3/BC and 100mn AB on BS will always give enough speed to close to within weapons range as few mission npc's are that fast.
if your not using precision, then a tp AND web make for much better application of your dps on those smaller targets
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Adeleda Adoudel
Welp The Monkey
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Posted - 2012.12.16 18:35:00 -
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Be4st wrote:Xercodo wrote:A) I suspect you're gonna get a slap on the wrist for the "censor dodging" B) Consider, for a moment how it is that all the other ships of that class would be used in your position Sleipnir Absolution Astarte Legion Loki Proteus....
If you can figure that part out then the answer for you will be pretty clear.... Yeah I was thinking about a Sleip or Loki but wasn't sure about their tanks. Fractal Muse wrote:Overall, missiles were buffed. I dunno why people want to exaggerate and complain so much. They were buffed in some cases yes but range with heavies got a massive kick in the balls and some NPC's are orbiting at 50 km doing 600 km/s when I can only do 300 km/s and hit at 40 km. Sure I can get there if I skimp out on tank for prop or range rigs in place of tank rigs. Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
A couple things:
1. The Tengu is still likely the most viable PvE boat out there. I can't discuss too much without knowing your fit, but while Heavies too a hit, HAM's were buffed slightly now that the Guided Missile Precision affects them. Do you have an A/B on that Tengu fit? You might be best suited to sell the Rattlesnake and buy another Tengu.
2. Given the carnage among the drone boat operators, your missile boats came out OK. I am NOT saying "stop whining", because CCP should never have engaged in this war against PvE income at all.
3. There is a new test feedback thread re: Drones and the new AI, with a yet again tweaked AI on Duality. Results are not encouraging, but it might still be worth a read for you.
Before Retribution came out, I EFT warrior'd up a HAM Tengu. I must say that I loved the DPS coming out of it while still getting the same tank but I am the laziest guy ever and the idea of chasing NPC's about put me off it a little. I also had a little fear of HAMs vs elite NPC scram frigs too.
Gobs forbid you ever have to refit your ship.. |
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