I'm not sure what it is you're asking. I'm confused by what you mean by "2 paladins" does that mean you have the option of running 2 paladins?

unless the disruption effects persist (like it has for some players), I would think they could watch each other's backs. NPCs seem to focus fire and switch targets in unison, and incoming dps and ewar is consolidated to the ship that is primary.

I decided to take a golem and nightmare on missions, and not consider npc faction related to tracking disruption... (partly due to a comment you made, actually, 'why not 2 elite battleships'... )

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deciding how to best dual-box slaughter level 4's is what I consider a "high quality problem." | ^_^ |

it's not unheard of to armor fit a nightmare.....

don't take the sansha missions? dunno.

if your using 2 paladin anyway i-¦d work is RR tbh, that'd nearly doubly your tank for a relativly small drawback...

Being able to use either pulses or tachs on a paladin makes a big difference, at least it has for me. To be bluntly honest, I was quite unimpressed with damage projection of a pulse fit over a tach fit, since the tach fit I use is less than 100dps short compared to pulses. You also tend to burn up freq crystals much faster in a pulse build, too. As far as having any fears of tank, the paladin holds up pretty well it seems on its own. Mine tanks about 550 or so verses bloods for a good half hour even with tachs blazing. I haven't ran into any missions from them or sansha yet that gave me issues as far as tank (aside from worlds collide before they fixed the aggro bug). I will say I use a core type repper rather than a mere faction repper, so that might be recommendable (though it needs a fitting rig/imp/mod to have enough grid with tachs)

In Amarr space


Worlds Collide

Pockets 2-3 (sansha/blood side) have a lot of neuting/tracking disrupt power that could render a Paladin helpless.


The Assault

The guristas jam a lot and the Paladin has poop for sensor strength.


Silence the Informat

The mercanary pocket will full room aggro and has a large amount of DPS/Tackle/Web.


Intercept the Saboteurs

Mixed DPS in the final pocket and a lot of tackle.

Unless you slavaging as you go.. there is no good reason to stick to the pally. Shield skills are not that long to train to be competent, and the NM with tachy's will burn through missions extremely fast. You need to shield tank it so you can use all the lows for heat sinks and TE's.

Kara, did you see my message ingame about faction/non faction battleships

Most missions where less then 4 min, dock undock and traval time included.

If you're really laying out that much DPS I don't see how the patch affects you.

So far so good, whole room agro surprise's Iv not run into yet, I hope I never do, perhaps you should have read the original post, thanks.

So far so good, whole room agro surprise's Iv not run into yet, I hope I never do

Whole room agro was a bug that's supposedly been fixed.

It seems so. I didn't get worlds collide yet, which is seriously the only mission that freaks me out (bad memories; four elite webbers/scamblers coupled with close range full room angel damage can be nasty :p), but I've had a few post-patch full room aggro missions today and none of them seemed to be bugged anymore. With double Paladin / Mach / Nightmare, hell, even double CNR, I wouldn't worry about it, no matter the mission, tbh, because most stuff will be dead before it can even react.

This in turn will make Mission runners very susceptible to Griefing and ganking, once scanned down, the cloaked enemy will now know exactly how to fit their gank squads and pop, T2, faction officer and other goodies drop, sooner or later a group like SKUNKWORKS, or anything with "WORKS" in their corp or character corp history will figure out just how lucrative this IS This is 100% inevitable, Brace yourselves EvE mission runners.
Cheep up your fits and try to fly omni tanked as much as possible!

It has become "Allot worse" yesterday, not today.

see, Google-translator DOES have a sense of irony!

It seems so. I didn't get worlds collide yet, which is seriously the only mission that freaks me out (bad memories; four elite webbers/scamblers coupled with close range full room angel damage can be nasty :p), but I've had a few post-patch full room aggro missions today and none of them seemed to be bugged anymore. With double Paladin / Mach / Nightmare, hell, even double CNR, I wouldn't worry about it, no matter the mission, tbh, because most stuff will be dead before it can even react.

Focused character is focused on staying focused.

the time it would take me to train perfect shield skills, I could spend taking the remainder of my invention skills to 5's, all of them.

P.S.
the Pally has more DPS, versatility and doesn't have the capacitor handycap of the nightmare, they are both good choices, its all a matter of what resources are available and personal preference, is all it comes down to really.

the nightmare has better tracking, less dps, less cap

find it on battleclinic

I'll also reiterate as an experienced amarr pilot: Paladin is quite possibly the worst Marauder of them all. A pulse napoc has better damage projection and plenty of tank for L4s. Ships to use in Amarr space in order:

1) Tach Nightmare
2) Pulse Navy Apoc
3) Paladin

And yes you can still solo if you are careful; but with TDs its just annoying as hell.

LOL.. sure...

I missed the joke.

P.S.
head over to battleclinic to work on your fitting skills, I meant that in a good way.

How exactly is a Navy apoc at 600M isk, with less slots and worse bonuses better then a pally?

At 600M isk? seriously, no, way to costly for the slots and bonuses you get at the cost of SIX HUNDRED MILLION INTERSTELLER CREDITS

Thank you, for your post but please don't hijack my threads to advertise manipulated items.

Get your facts straight: I have all 3 of those ships
For arguments sake: 1 extra low + rig. if you put tanking modules in those your base tank is the same as the pally. with the exact same number of slots left. So whats left:
Pally: Extra highs
vs
Napoc: 7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret optimal range per level (ie 37.5% better.). That means Multifreq range with pulses without any mods is ~24km.

Now fit it up and that range goes to +32km. I'll let you extrapolate other crystals. Thats called damage projection => rats dead before you have to tank. Now suppose you say I'll tach fit the pally; I'll say good luck with that abysmal powergrid.

If you want to run around in an overtanked brick then be my guest.

This overtanked brick, deals 1200 DPS at 50KM, 1480 at 20km
This overtanked brick doesnt cap out with just guns shooting.
This overtanked brick doesnt doesnt have trouble with capacitor.

This thread is starting to turn into another one of those NM vs Paladin discussions. I've posted in many of these threads and have used both ships for hundreds of L4 missions. I can say without a doubt the only difference between a NM and paladin is the tracking which isn't an issue for most L4 missions.

It also seems to be turning into a pulse vs tach thread also and again I can say without a doubt tachs have no problem what so ever in missions. In fact you can fit a tachy nightmare to have the tracking of pulse lasers with scorch. With good skills and a good fit there is almost no difference between the two ships.

Im abandoning this thread