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Cartridgexxxx
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2013.02.11 08:46:00 -
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Eeebiill !!  |
Arthur Acciainoli
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.17 16:24:00 -
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i want to get into piracy but i have no clue.after reading this i still dont. i haven been training amaar and i think i may have picked wrong.can someone really point me in the right direction. as like which ship for starting. |
Natasha Simornova
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.02.17 20:04:00 -
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I'm an aspiring Pirate and looking to be taken under someone's wing to teach me the ins and outs of the trade |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2013.02.18 06:49:00 -
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How is this a guide? It doesn't tell you how to do anything. |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
268
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Posted - 2013.03.04 13:08:00 -
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Joran Dravius wrote:How is this a guide? It doesn't tell you how to do anything.
Step 1: Undock
Step 2: Click shiny.
Step 3: Check space diaper for mess as you lock.
Step 4: Fire your Civilian Laser.
Step 5: Profit.
Step 6: Get new diaper.
Or you know I could hold your hand or casually spell out each word slowly and pat you on the head for getting the color of that fire truck right....
(Also folks still working on the guide just been SUPER busy) |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
279
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:53:00 -
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Stealth bump. My Adobe program has been crashing so I have yet to add additional pages. However I'll be posting revised ship fittings and I have several additional pages lined up.  |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
279
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:55:00 -
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Arthur Acciainoli wrote:i want to get into piracy but i have no clue.after reading this i still dont. i haven been training amaar and i think i may have picked wrong.can someone really point me in the right direction. as like which ship for starting.
Try a Thorax. Easy to train, not a pain to lose and it's a quick deadly little ship. Get the hang of that or a frig may be even more beneficial. Also don't fret cross training is perfectly normal.
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
429
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Posted - 2013.03.20 13:00:00 -
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Meh.
Guide seems helpful... to someone who can't find a dictionary. Once you remove the "definitions by webster", opinions, misplaced pirate thread story, empty fluff, and extraneous line feeds, there's not much "guide" to this guide. Seems more like a promo ad for piracy, which is fine, but not too helpful.
Suggestions? Add links. Add specifics. Stop assuming the reader can't find dictionary.com.
Love how the OP gets sarcastic and condescending when asked for "guidance" in his guide on how to actually DO something in Eve but never misses a chance to define common English for the reader.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Eliana Eros
9
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:47:00 -
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Natasha Simornova wrote:I'm an aspiring Pirate and looking to be taken under someone's wing to teach me the ins and outs of the trade
Look for corporations with recruitment advertisements, then check some of the members. A high join, high leave rate is a very bad sign. A high join stay rate, and active recruit channel is a better sign of not a scam pirate corp preying on new members.
Other than that, you can pm people, but don't trust anyone. Since you just want to be shown the ropes, train tackling skills and most corps will take you in as those are always needed, and if they do kill you, your only losing a Frig/dest so its not substantial. Mean while you enjoy the benefits of them teaching you proper tackle/camp/tracking skills that mean a lot to pirates/pvp.
Lets be friends? |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
280
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Posted - 2013.03.20 19:18:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Meh.
Guide seems helpful... to someone who can't find a dictionary. Once you remove the "definitions by webster", opinions, misplaced pirate thread story, empty fluff, and extraneous line feeds, there's not much "guide" to this guide. Seems more like a promo ad for piracy, which is fine, but not too helpful.
Suggestions? Add links. Add specifics. Stop assuming the reader can't find dictionary.com.
Love how the OP gets sarcastic and condescending when asked for "guidance" in his guide on how to actually DO something in Eve but never misses a chance to define common English for the reader.
The title is "beginner's guide" for a reason AND a work on progress in which i stated thus in the very first sentence. Did you happen to actually download the file and skim through at least the screens and such explaining the basic overview? Like I stated before it is a work in progress. Explaining what certain things are (to a new player) shouldn't be condescending and even the most basic of things can be overwhelming and confusing to a new player.
Instead of insulting me perhaps you'd like to contribute something? Maybe on D scan methods, probing, combat etc. There is so much more to cover as I've stated numerous times before. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
429
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Posted - 2013.03.21 04:55:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Meh.
Guide seems helpful... to someone who can't find a dictionary. Once you remove the "definitions by webster", opinions, misplaced pirate thread story, empty fluff, and extraneous line feeds, there's not much "guide" to this guide. Seems more like a promo ad for piracy, which is fine, but not too helpful.
Suggestions? Add links. Add specifics. Stop assuming the reader can't find dictionary.com.
Love how the OP gets sarcastic and condescending when asked for "guidance" in his guide on how to actually DO something in Eve but never misses a chance to define common English for the reader. The title is "beginner's guide" for a reason AND a work on progress in which i stated thus in the very first sentence. Did you happen to actually download the file and skim through at least the screens and such explaining the basic overview? Like I stated before it is a work in progress. Explaining what certain things are (to a new player) shouldn't be condescending and even the most basic of things can be overwhelming and confusing to a new player. Instead of insulting me perhaps you'd like to contribute something? Maybe on D scan methods, probing, combat etc. There is so much more to cover as I've stated numerous times before.
I already gave you advice, brosef, and now two free bumps. Take it or leave it. If you didn't want to hear people's opinion of your guide, why post it in the forums?
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
280
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Posted - 2013.03.21 06:50:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Tara Read wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Meh.
Guide seems helpful... to someone who can't find a dictionary. Once you remove the "definitions by webster", opinions, misplaced pirate thread story, empty fluff, and extraneous line feeds, there's not much "guide" to this guide. Seems more like a promo ad for piracy, which is fine, but not too helpful.
Suggestions? Add links. Add specifics. Stop assuming the reader can't find dictionary.com.
Love how the OP gets sarcastic and condescending when asked for "guidance" in his guide on how to actually DO something in Eve but never misses a chance to define common English for the reader. The title is "beginner's guide" for a reason AND a work on progress in which i stated thus in the very first sentence. Did you happen to actually download the file and skim through at least the screens and such explaining the basic overview? Like I stated before it is a work in progress. Explaining what certain things are (to a new player) shouldn't be condescending and even the most basic of things can be overwhelming and confusing to a new player. Instead of insulting me perhaps you'd like to contribute something? Maybe on D scan methods, probing, combat etc. There is so much more to cover as I've stated numerous times before. I already gave you advice, brosef, and now two free bumps. Take it or leave it. If you didn't want to hear people's opinion of your guide, why post it in the forums?
And like I stated it's a work in progress. You gave me "links" and "specifics" but what are they? It's a very general overview at first which is what it is meant to be. In order to draw a reader in you need to give them some meat. Why Piracy? Why not just go do something else in Eve?
Motivation is what I was after in this beginning section. Once someone says "Hey! That looks fun!" They'll be more inclined to read further and thus those "links" and "specifics" you keep clamoring about will come into play. I can see your point about the definition of "guide" but if you look at it through say the eyes of a newer player you'd see the angle in which I approached the subject matter. |
Kieth Eto
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:20:00 -
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Do you think you can put up fittings for a few frigate class ships? You put up cruisers and higher class fittings, but I'd like to start pirating in a frigate that I can replace easily enough when I make a mistake and it goes down in flames.
Either way, very interesting read, keep it up! |
Tara Read
The Generic Pirate Corporation
Fusion.
281
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Posted - 2013.03.21 21:28:00 -
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Kieth Eto wrote:Do you think you can put up fittings for a few frigate class ships? You put up cruisers and higher class fittings, but I'd like to start pirating in a frigate that I can replace easily enough when I make a mistake and it goes down in flames.
Either way, very interesting read, keep it up!
Certainly! When I get to a computer where I can pull up my fittings I'll list a few. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
429
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Posted - 2013.03.22 04:01:00 -
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Okay, because I think a pirate guide is indeed a good idea, I'll throw a bit of effort into constructive suggestions. Your point is well made regarding the intro.
Looking at this guide from the point of view of a new player, the first thing I would suggest is adding some simple instructions for some of the more basic beginner forms of piracy, as you define it, IE broadly. Let's take a look at some of the more obvious topics:
PVP
Don't try to re-invent the wheel here. If they intend on participating in PVP they will need to learn the basics, like mechanics, T1 fittings, etc. All of this information is already available, and I suggest you link to some of the more well-known resources. Off the top of my head, Eve Uni's wiki pages on PVP fits and tactics and course recordings are a great resource.
http://failheap-challenge.com
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Uni_Tackle_and_EWar#T2_tackle_long_range_.28Interceptor.29
I'm sure others could suggest other links.
You could also have sub-sections for various common low-sp pirate activities, and how to be successful at them. I would suggest asking the community to contribute to each subsection, one at a time, in this thread. You need to add some activities, and provide detail, so that they can get started right away, and a simple example of each, so they can wrap their heads around it.
Can flipping
Miner bumping for purposes of extortion
Ninja looting/salvaging L4 missions
Belt piracy and other solo and small gang (2-3 man) low-sp lowsec roaming tactics
Suicide ganking
Camping in high sec for public kill rights
Scams, with details, and a simple scam explained
Each topic should be treated from the perspective of a new player, so easy to understand, low SP, low ISK, highly specific with examples. Yes it's hand-holding to a degree, but I believe that giving them a fool-proof roadmap to their first taste of illicit ISK or PVP adrenaline will hook them and they will figure out the rest on their own. Undocking with a naked newb ship and firing their civilian laser at someone who then blaps them back to a goo vat is not as fun as having a decent shot at -winning- an encounter. "Make a bunch of frigates and go blow them up" gets boring quickly unless you have a plan to actually win and a basic understanding of how you intend to accomplish that first victory.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Sasha Albrecht
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.26 07:41:00 -
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looking for a pirate corp to help me learn the ropes |
Tara Read
The Bastards
Shadow Cartel
283
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Posted - 2013.03.28 04:06:00 -
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Sasha Albrecht wrote:looking for a pirate corp to help me learn the ropes
I'd suggest putting a thread in the Corp Recruitment section of the forums stating you are a newer player interested in Piracy. I'm certain someone would take you |
Tara Read
The Bastards
Shadow Cartel
399
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Posted - 2013.06.17 04:50:00 -
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total unbiased stealth bump for cookies (getting back into working on this)  |
Vile Belief
Transshipment
0
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Posted - 2013.06.17 20:09:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:total unbiased stealth bump for cookies (getting back into working on this)
I suggest a total rewrite if this is a serious guide. Maybe include someone who knows piracy in the interim. |
Tara Read
The Bastards
Shadow Cartel
409
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Posted - 2013.06.19 08:22:00 -
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Vile Belief wrote:Tara Read wrote:total unbiased stealth bump for cookies (getting back into working on this) I suggest a total rewrite if this is a serious guide. Maybe include someone who knows piracy in the interim.
Y u only fly Mammoth's and Rifters?  |
Snip King
Solar Revenue Service
TAXU
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 14:44:00 -
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Can someone tell me if it's still possible to grief mission runners? if so how? It used to be easy before, but now with new patchs and all I am not sure about it. |
Vile Belief
Transshipment
1
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Posted - 2013.06.19 17:08:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Vile Belief wrote:Tara Read wrote:total unbiased stealth bump for cookies (getting back into working on this) I suggest a total rewrite if this is a serious guide. Maybe include someone who knows piracy in the interim. Y u only fly Mammoth's and Rifters?
Make more sense please.
I was being serious. My alts and myself have been in piracy since almost the beginning. This is really wasting peoples time. If you're going to take this guide seriously then please write it as such. |
Tara Read
The Bastards
Shadow Cartel
414
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Posted - 2013.06.20 11:21:00 -
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Vile Belief wrote:Tara Read wrote:Vile Belief wrote:Tara Read wrote:total unbiased stealth bump for cookies (getting back into working on this) I suggest a total rewrite if this is a serious guide. Maybe include someone who knows piracy in the interim. Y u only fly Mammoth's and Rifters? Make more sense please.
*sighs* http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=737355
2 kills 20 losses. All time. I'll make sure to ask someone else about Eyepatch fashion |
Vile Belief
Transshipment
2
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Posted - 2013.06.20 21:56:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:Vile Belief wrote:Tara Read wrote:Vile Belief wrote:Tara Read wrote:total unbiased stealth bump for cookies (getting back into working on this) I suggest a total rewrite if this is a serious guide. Maybe include someone who knows piracy in the interim. Y u only fly Mammoth's and Rifters? Make more sense please. *sighs* http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=7373552 kills 20 losses. All time. I'll make sure to ask someone else about Eyepatch fashion
Sigh all you want. Worst guide I've read in all my years of being a pirate (since 2004). Should write this better.
P.S
I'm a trader alt. |
Tara Read
The Bastards
Shadow Cartel
415
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Posted - 2013.06.21 00:07:00 -
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Vile Belief wrote:
Sigh all you want. Worst guide I've read in all my years of being a pirate (since 2004). Should write this better.
P.S
I'm a trader alt.
Then please make a better one! No seriously people could use a Pirate Guide they can understand. May I suggest using Crayola's? |
Marianne Pollard
Everyone's Irrelevant
85
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:22:00 -
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Snip King wrote:Can someone tell me if it's still possible to grief mission runners? if so how? It used to be easy before, but now with new patchs and all I am not sure about it.
The only difference is your global flag once you flip. It's still possible to get fights and make money.
Mocking the afflicted since 2013. |
Phaade
Debitum Naturae
WHY so Seri0Us
23
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:49:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Meh.
Guide seems helpful... to someone who can't find a dictionary. Once you remove the "definitions by webster", opinions, misplaced pirate thread story, empty fluff, and extraneous line feeds, there's not much "guide" to this guide. Seems more like a promo ad for piracy, which is fine, but not too helpful.
Suggestions? Add links. Add specifics. Stop assuming the reader can't find dictionary.com.
Love how the OP gets sarcastic and condescending when asked for "guidance" in his guide on how to actually DO something in Eve but never misses a chance to define common English for the reader.
DERP goes the carebear. |
william nsk Gengod
paranoid monkey Corporation
2
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Posted - 2013.07.27 03:56:00 -
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is it possible you could upload to a different site? I cant download in my region for some reason. |
Tara Read
The Bastards
Shadow Cartel
490
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Posted - 2013.07.27 08:38:00 -
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william nsk Gengod wrote:is it possible you could upload to a different site? I cant download in my region for some reason.
Sure. The guide needs a lot of revisions and apologies for me neglecting working on it. RL has been less than kind with my mothers health issues among other things.
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Renius
TEMPLAR.
Whores in space
29
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Posted - 2013.07.27 08:50:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:william nsk Gengod wrote:is it possible you could upload to a different site? I cant download in my region for some reason. Sure. The guide needs a lot of revisions and apologies for me neglecting working on it. RL has been less than kind with my mothers health issues among other things.
I enjoyed your guide.
Looking forward to the revisions. |
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