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Donn Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.16 23:52:00 -
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I have been cruising the recruitment forums for the last couple of weeks, and it seems like everyone who is anyone wants full API. As if that wasn't enough, some want full API for all accounts! My situation is rather unique for quite a number of reasons, and I find the prospect of giving out all of my API keys extremely unsettling.
Before you tell me, "you must have something to hide", ask yourself, are you comfortable with random people knowing who ALL of your alts are, what you are buying/selling, and where you get your isk from?
I also don't want to hear about how I fail at compartmentalizing my characters; I know how to transfer items between characters without it appearing on an API. I shouldn't have to act like a spy to get into a corp.
Am I paranoid for not wanting random people to know what color my underpants are before I even speak to them on voice?
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Merouk Baas
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Posted - 2012.12.16 23:55:00 -
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I wouldn't give my full API out either.
But, lots of scams and corp theft in the past, so most high-end corps require it now.
Shrug. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1420
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Posted - 2012.12.16 23:55:00 -
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Donn Red wrote:I have been cruising the recruitment forums for the last couple of weeks, and it seems like everyone who is anyone wants full API. As if that wasn't enough, some want full API for all accounts! My situation is rather unique for quite a number of reasons, and I find the prospect of giving out all of my API keys extremely unsettling.
Before you tell me, "you must have something to hide", ask yourself, are you comfortable with random people knowing who ALL of your alts are, what you are buying/selling, and where you get your isk from?
I also don't want to hear about how I fail at compartmentalizing my characters; I know how to transfer items between characters without it appearing on an API. I shouldn't have to act like a spy to get into a corp.
Am I paranoid for not wanting random people to know what color my underpants are before I even speak to them on voice?
Many corps don't do any form of API or background check at all. Lie to the corps that want a full API for all accounts. They won't know it exists unless you tell them about it.
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
576
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Posted - 2012.12.16 23:56:00 -
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Hey, what color are your underpants?
This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Thomas Orca
Zero Fun Allowed
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:00:00 -
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Donn Red wrote:Before you tell me, "you must have something to hide", ask yourself, are you comfortable with random people knowing who ALL of your alts are, what you are buying/selling, and where you get your isk from?
Yup. |
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
511
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:04:00 -
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They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.
EVERYBODY KNOWS |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
Somethin Awfull Forums
357
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:08:00 -
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Simetraz wrote:They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.
This?
Not to mention, what is it with people not showing a little self respect? If a corp is going to be anal and elitist, to hell with them. Don't join. |
ACE McFACE
The Forsworn Protectorate
Imperial Protectorate
900
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:12:00 -
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The corp in in now didn't need any API at all to apply.
"No one drove in New York, there was too much traffic." |
Usagi Toshiro
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:15:00 -
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No API needed to join us in RvB...pew pew for all! |
Donn Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:19:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Simetraz wrote:They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.
This? Not to mention, what is it with people not showing a little self respect? If a corp is going to be anal and elitist, to hell with them. Don't join.
How do suppose a corporation would react to a large isk transaction from a character that isn't present on the API, or having billions of isk in your wallet with no transactions showing where it came from, other than through selling the PLEX/DED mods/whatever that you retrieved from the container.... |
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
393
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:28:00 -
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Donn Red wrote:Ocih wrote:Simetraz wrote:They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.
This? Not to mention, what is it with people not showing a little self respect? If a corp is going to be anal and elitist, to hell with them. Don't join. How do suppose a corporation would react to a large isk transaction from a character that isn't present on the API, or having billions of isk in your wallet with no transactions showing where it came from, other than through selling the PLEX/DED mods/whatever that you retrieved from the container....
No one cares. They are looking for your alts that are characters in other corps/alliances and links to known corp thieves and such.
You think you are the only one with a Jita/trade hub alt that sells mods and sends isk to other characters? Or you are the only one with a high sec alt that feeds your main with isk? Like really, no one cares about 95% of what the full api shows. They are making sure what you say your main is is actually your main and seeing if you have any obviously linked spy alts. That's it, no one is going to go through 50 pages of boring journal and market entries and say omg you sell t2 DCUs, you cannot join our corp! |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
752
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:29:00 -
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Donn Red wrote:I have been cruising the recruitment forums for the last couple of weeks, and it seems like everyone who is anyone wants full API.
Am I paranoid for not wanting random people to know what color my underpants are before I even speak to them on voice?
Yup. Hey I know. Make your own corp, don't demand full API, and see what happens. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1420
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:31:00 -
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Donn Red wrote:Ocih wrote:Simetraz wrote:They only know about accounts and characters you tell them about.
This? Not to mention, what is it with people not showing a little self respect? If a corp is going to be anal and elitist, to hell with them. Don't join. How do suppose a corporation would react to a large isk transaction from a character that isn't present on the API, or having billions of isk in your wallet with no transactions showing where it came from, other than through selling the PLEX/DED mods/whatever that you retrieved from the container....
They check it once to make sure you're not a thief or awoxer & they only check it again if stuff starts going missing. What ever gave you the idea that someone was checking on you constantly?
It's about time CCP stops catering to the lazy players with this sense of entitlement for fear of losing money. These aren't the people making the game better, these are the people wanting you to turn EVE in to a game that is like most other MMO's. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:34:00 -
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A lot of them are happy with a partial API or no API. Personally I'm in the same boat, I refuse to give a Full API. If they want Wallet & Skill Trees, sure, thats fine, I don't mind that. That is information that is important to the Corp, so they know if I'm being honest when I say I'm broke and need a hand, or when I say I am trained for some ship they want in a fleet, but simply don't have one, or that I'm not trained for standard doctrines because I do something else.
I just refuse to give access to things like messages. And if the corp wants to be a pain on that, I simply won't join. |
Ginger Barbarella
Estel Arador Corp Services
336
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:58:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:I wouldn't give my full API out either.
But, lots of scams and corp theft in the past, so most high-end corps require it now.
Shrug.
Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ!
The charade is just foolish at this point.
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Ginger Barbarella
Estel Arador Corp Services
336
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Posted - 2012.12.17 00:59:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Donn Red wrote:I have been cruising the recruitment forums for the last couple of weeks, and it seems like everyone who is anyone wants full API.
Am I paranoid for not wanting random people to know what color my underpants are before I even speak to them on voice?
Yup. Hey I know. Make your own corp, don't demand full API, and see what happens.
Especially if you DON'T give them the keys to the kingdom.
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Donn Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:01:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:A lot of them are happy with a partial API or no API. Personally I'm in the same boat, I refuse to give a Full API. If they want Wallet & Skill Trees, sure, thats fine, I don't mind that. That is information that is important to the Corp, so they know if I'm being honest when I say I'm broke and need a hand, or when I say I am trained for some ship they want in a fleet, but simply don't have one, or that I'm not trained for standard doctrines because I do something else.
I just refuse to give access to things like messages. And if the corp wants to be a pain on that, I simply won't join.
My principle concern is wallet transactions, but you bring up a good point. An API key that includes eve mails will include ALL of them from the last 10 years I think, even the ones you supposedly trashed.
Also, this:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ!
The charade is just foolish at this point.
If you're worth spying on/stealing from, people are going to get in. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
336
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:47:00 -
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Donn Red wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ!
The charade is just foolish at this point.
If you're worth spying on/stealing from, people are going to get in.
My point exactly. And an API key is going to do exactly NOTHING.
Fly Minmatar Air --- "Trust in the Rust!" |
Gneeznow
Ship spinners inc
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:50:00 -
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The fault lies with the 'yes men' who hand it over because they feel they have to. I've never given anyone my API. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1475
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:50:00 -
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Usagi Toshiro wrote:No API needed to join us in RvB...pew pew for all!
Do you even have anything worth stealing?
-áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1475
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:52:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Donn Red wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ!
The charade is just foolish at this point.
If you're worth spying on/stealing from, people are going to get in. My point exactly. And an API key is going to do exactly NOTHING.
Uh, no. API key means that anybody that wants to spy on you or steal from you needs to put in more effort. Otherwise anybody could get in with minimal effort.
-áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
galenwade
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.17 01:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Usagi Toshiro wrote:No API needed to join us in RvB...pew pew for all! Do you even have anything worth stealing?
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
253
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:01:00 -
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An hour of voice chat is worth more than an any API key.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Merouk Baas
98
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:29:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Cuz giving a full API absolutely NEGATES the possibility of theft and SPAIZ! The charade is just foolish at this point.
Actually the discussion goes more like this, for me:
"We need your full API before joining."
"Ok give me the CEO's full API and I'll give you mine."
"No."
"Then no."
"Bye."
"Bye."
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NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
77
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:46:00 -
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What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1932
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Posted - 2012.12.17 02:52:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver?
Uh, privacy stuff, I guess.
We don't give full API, but all the important stuff, I don't even remember. Let me have a look.
AccountStatus
CharacterInfo
SkillQueue
SkillInTraining
CharacterSheet
AssetList
KillLog
Lol, kill log.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
160
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:04:00 -
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Quote:Is it even possible to get into a corp these days without full API submission?
Yes.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
The Irukandji
752
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:06:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:
My point exactly. And an API key is going to do exactly NOTHING.
Yes. It eliminates all the bad spies/corp thieves.
The good ones will never get caught until it's too late. But API is a screening test, not a definitive test. |
Rez Valintine
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:07:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:What is in a full API that is so bad for the giver? Lol, kill log.
I was drunk last night..... |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
160
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Posted - 2012.12.17 03:09:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:
My point exactly. And an API key is going to do exactly NOTHING.
Yes. It eliminates all the bad spies/corp thieves. The good ones will never get caught until it's too late. But API is a screening test, not a definitive test.
If you're looking to keep the riff-raff out, I s'pose it might help. But not so much as you might think.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. |
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