I agree that a major part of the potential ISK should be bottom up, with some 'x,y,z' that is in that alliances best interest to take/defend to be the rest of the potential ISK. As far as the industry part; popping the rancid Jita tit of of nulls mouth would be nice.

So lets say they flip the income around, bottom up and they enable industry to do its thing on par, if not better hopefully than in high sec. Then what?

Nullbears are like Gypsies. They fck up the place where they settle down. Then, after the situation is fubar, they ask for better living. Its not hisec fault that null is at the state as it is. Its not the hisec fault that there is huge paranoia among null dwellers and NBSI policy everywhere. Regardless of this, those savage monkeys bothers CCP to nerf Hisec because they cannot swallow that reasonable and hard-working dwellers of hisec makes more isk than null. Not to mention that null PvE activity exceeds hisec isk making.

I never said you were in the NC and null space is pretty risk free for those paying attention to local and intel channels. I am of course talking about pilots and not structures, which dictates who has the sov. But keep twisting my words to suit your angle.

Can you explain how local and intel channels will prevent my baby titan from being destroyed in a CSAA?

Sure. Structure mails and a stront alt.

lmao

you think that one of the 3 dudes with access to the CSAA alt corp will be logged in and keeping an eye out for structure mails, and have a stronting alt ready at a moment's notice

Back to my question earlier...

So lets say they make those changes about bottom up income and industry can function properly. Then what? What exactly will change on the political landscape?? Anyone can look up the daily sov map, but unfortunately it only shows alliance controlled space which is not how it works at all. Not for many years now at least. You have the pilot, the corp they are in, the alliance that corp is in and the coalition and as we now see today, a giant super coalition made up of two coalitions who have rules of engagement with each other and a strict NIP and a list of other 'do not do' things. Coined best as neutral blues.

How would those two null improvements in ISK and industry change that, if at all?

Nullsec space would actually be worth holding and you'd have groups seriously challenging the "super coalition." Unless you're saying that our success needs to be nerfed?

I don't mind that you have thousands and thousands of friends. What is incredibly broken beyond is being able to defend a friends space from across the game in just a matter of a few minutes and be back in time for lunch. Unless you think power projection is fine right now? Maybe you should write an article about how it is balanced.

Despite the fact that you keep repeating "travel is too quick in Eve" it's still slow as balls to get anywhere, even with jump bridges.

Buff null!

Nerf Hi Sec!

Buff low sec!

Nerf High sec mining, hauling, industry!

Null sec needs moar of everything!

Take more away from high sec!

Seriously, if it is so bad why do you live there?

Because you are kill mail junkies IMO. You just don't realize or care or understand that quite alot of the players in Eve DO NOT FREAKIN ENJOY LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER ALL THE TIME!

I personally play this game to relieve stress, not to create it. You play your way and if the cess pit you have made of null and low sec is what you want then enjoy.

Some of you spend so much time here on the forums I doubt you play much anyway.

So lets say they flip the income around, bottom up and they enable industry to do its thing on par, if not better hopefully than in high sec. Then what?

Also increasing nullsec travel time would make roaming suck tremendously and you'd be back to complaining about how those goddamned nullbears are docking up after you roamed for hours rather than sticking around like sitting ducks for you.

The idea is that sov holding alliances would rely on players in their space doing stuff that can be taxed in order to earn enough to be sov holding alliances.

Alliances that can retain active members, and keep their space safe enough to due stuff will be prosperous.

Those that don't use their space won't keep it.

Thanks for that helpful racist rant. It really moved the debate along in a constructive way.

What does it take to hold sov in a system? Don't tell me guts and glory, tell everyone here what it technically takes to do it, game mechanic wise.

So now it is racist rant? I just pointed that its not hisec fault for the situation in nullsec. Truth hurts... i know..

So now it is racist rant? I just pointed that its not hisec fault for the situation in nullsec. Truth hurts... i know..

You skipped a lot of good points about null sec facilities being lacking / obsolete and went for the "default" rebuttals.

Well first of all i responded to OP (If null sec is so bad Why the heck do you live there????? ). I didnt read posts (back then)
2. I have already proposed many times that null needs buff. But Im just tired of accusations that for this situation is responsible hisec and that it needs nerf
3. I didnt know that word "gypsy" is considered as racist in some countries So i changed that for another word (inadaptable citizens) because i noticed that my post was deleted.

Buff null!

Nerf Hi Sec!

Buff low sec!

Nerf High sec mining, hauling, industry!

Null sec needs moar of everything!

Take more away from high sec!

Seriously, if it is so bad why do you live there?

Because you are kill mail junkies IMO. You just don't realize or care or understand that quite alot of the players in Eve DO NOT FREAKIN ENJOY LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER ALL THE TIME!

I personally play this game to relieve stress, not to create it. You play your way and if the cess pit you have made of null and low sec is what you want then enjoy.

Some of you spend so much time here on the forums I doubt you play much anyway.

Kiss my Jolly Rodger ass.

NULL is like the bad ol' days of the Klondike and the California gold rushes.... so many made the trip... so few actually found what they were looking for.

The foolish, ended up dead along the way.

Some, never came back.

A few, lived to tell about it.

The rest... got out while the getting was good.

The End.

let me add my comment to this post... null sec has the possibility of getting you a couple of bil isk a day, doing ded's and mag sites, safer than high sec too... cause there is hardly anyone down there, you cant just waltz on in though, you will get caught unless your lucky, especially if you don't know pvp that well.

once you find a good little place to hold out inyou can earn so much isk its unreal, usually its best to join one of the bigger alliances who live there so you get system upgrades where you can rat (like missions) and earn anything between 10mil to 55mil every 20 minute bounty tick,

i used to fly a xtype vindicator fitted for max damage, raked in 30mil every 20 mins from sansha's - from blasters! got the whole fitting in null sec from ded's, and every time i went out and scanned the 20 something systems i used to scan, i would find about 3 minimum DED's, once i found about 10 ded's was busy the whole day, made 800mil in just overseer's effects, and mag sites i used to ignore just because my arazu i rigged to do them blew up in one... :p

definitely better to go to null sec than stay in high sec, cause you also cant just fly a fully deadspace fit ship and think youll survive jita undock or even anywhere in high sec... concord is there as a penalty not to save your ship, and as for low sec, thats even safer, if you don't like bubbles, a cloak down there would make anything you do easy.

Null sec isn't terrible, if you think it is, your doing it wrong!