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infused
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:20:00 -
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No, im not whining about it...
So i've ganked a few miners in .4 space... now I have a whole region after my ass. After killing 3 people.
People sending abusive eve mails, local bashing. I mean comon.
What the hell is this about? If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Killing miners isn't really morally correct, but this is a god damm game.
Get over it people. 
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:22:00 -
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Well, you cant even have ganked em if you fly solo tbh.
But yeah, abusive mails (is they persist) => GM's.
Be simple about it, you eiter relativate or stfu when you get killed. _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |

infused
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:25:00 -
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Well they killed me in the end, but I was fine with it. I accept i'm going to lose ships. But there is this mentalitly that OMG YOU CANT KILL US! That is agaisnt some religious EVE law...
I don't mind the emails... I just find this hard to belive. People take this game WAY to seriously.
I get the same reaction where evere I go.
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Antarium
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:30:00 -
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I find any abuse etc quite funny :) and am generally polite myself (most of the time).
Gotta say from my solo pirating so far... Pirates come out top on the Politeness scale.
followed by carebears who normally whine
and then alliance folk... OMG 
Typherin
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:33:00 -
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Just keep the hate mails. The more you get the more you know you're doing your job right 
Alliance pilots tend to get very pompous when you're in their space, just stick on autoreject and ignore the rest and enjoy yourself.
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Gericault m0id
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:34:00 -
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I don't see why pirates ganking miners in 0.4 should whine so bloody much about local bashing and persecution. Being a pirate should require more than a bit of chutzpah my friend. Stop whining   
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Wild Rho Just keep the hate mails. The more you get the more you know you're doing your job right 
Alliance pilots tend to get very pompous when you're in their space, just stick on autoreject and ignore the rest and enjoy yourself.
Rofl. Hvaing been in an alliance and knowing the futility of their pompousness, I do agree.
Some fo the guys out there should get their info before they start yapping about bringing in the allliance pwzor fleet etc. Luckily, I somehow never get that since by the time we arrive those guys have mostly left. _______________________________________________
Yes yes, blogging is passÚ I know. Rod's Ramblingz on Eve-Online Solutions to your issues. |

pshepherd
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Posted - 2005.05.26 10:55:00 -
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i keep being chased around Fountain by FA, can i petition for harassment? 
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: infused Well they killed me in the end, but I was fine with it. I accept i'm going to lose ships. But there is this mentalitly that OMG YOU CANT KILL US! That is agaisnt some religious EVE law...
the "omg you cant kill us" attitude is a bit off. But are you sure it wasn't the, perfectly reasonable, "omg we're really ****ed off at you for killing us" attitude. It can look very similar.
What you do is guaranteed to annoy people. Even if it's a small, affordable loss, people will still be annoyed at you for doing it.
Having accepted the risks of where they are doesn't exclude legitimate anger either. They've accepted someone may come along and attack them, that doesn't mean they have to be happy when it happens. And it doesn't mean they're not going to try and make your life as difficult as possible afterwards.
You could also view getting the angry convos and eve-mails as a form of community service. Ranting can provide emotional comfort, even if it materially does no good. You caused the distress, so take the rant. You may not understand why they are angry...but then I don't understand the appeal of gate camping, or random ganking.
Originally by: infused I get the same reaction where evere I go.
So, is everyone else mad, or is it just you? 
Originally by: Rod Blaine But yeah, abusive mails (is they persist) => GM's
Hopefully in such cases the GM's will take into account that the target of the mails may have done things to attract the sending of such mails, and justify the charachter's anger. I feel a certain amount of ranting is justified in such cases, as long as it stays as an in-game rant (e.g. no threats to come over and break his legs in real life).
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:17:00 -
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You killed people, now said people and their friends wanna kill you. Where's the problem? Known killers aren't exactly people you invite in for coffee. Deal with it.
And if the abuse goes out of game, or really goes over the line, you can petition it. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:18:00 -
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If you are going to gank miners & such in 0.4, don't be a wimp when it comes to getting the hate mails & ppl after your ass...
Seriously, a ganker whining about hate mails is as sad as it gets...
Comes with the territory dude...
And you really should not cry to the GM's.
If you're gonna be a "Bad Guy" either ignore the hate or relish it :)
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:20:00 -
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The people that go too far, Bhaal, need to be reported.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Novarei
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Novarei on 26/05/2005 11:23:52 While its always nice to indugle in a bit of smack, its entirely another thing to start calling the assailent names and sending abusive emails. Mails and local bashing are usually confined to low sec empire space, because the people you are killing arent used to being killed. Out in 0.0 nobody gives a ú$%& because it happens all the time.
I have had many emails from disgruntled empire-goers and the general concensus is to send them back a witty or infuriating reply. Heres a few pointers;
Emails entitled "OMGWTF YOU F&*ú%*G C&$K", just reply with a solem, "Thankyou for your email, your comments have been passed to the relevant department and will be dealt with promptly."
Emails Entitled "I'M GOING TO KILL TEH YUO" a simple reply of "Then try harder next time." is fine.
Emails entitled "WHY DID YUO K1LL ME!!??!!?!!!!" reply with "We apologise, but it seems you stumbled into a test range, your ship was deliberatley targetted and destroyed, also we are pirates."
Emails entitled "MY NAEMD LOOT0R!! I WANET IT BAEK!!!111" a solem "Thankyou for your enquiry, goods looted from victims are sold on the free market, you are free to bid on these along with the general public. However if you wish to make a personal deal securing you these items a 25% charge will be levied."
Though if you're getting a spammed inbox just tell CCP.
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:32:00 -
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If people send you abusive eve-mails just petition it. Its against game rules, and tbh really rubs the salt in when they get muted or whatever. --------
FireFoxx80: If you think you can do a better job, go find yourself a datacentre to host a box, get a copy of Visual Studio, and STFU. |

Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Bhaal on 26/05/2005 11:34:35
Quote: The people that go too far, Bhaal, need to be reported.
Can you define "too far"? I suspect the definition is different for everyone...
Too far to me would be someone trying to hack your account or cause RL personal harm etc...
Words typed within the game containing derogatory & slanderous remarks can simply be deleted from your inbox, and you have the capability of blocking that person from spamming you with chat.
I've played many online games, and have had my share of ppl hating on me, I'm very good at laughing it off, and twisting their words to **** them off even more, it can be more fun than the game itself...
You just have to learn to ignore them...
99.99% of the ppl writing those hate mails would never say stuff like that to you in person, so the words are extremely harmless...
Just my opinion though...
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Antarium
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:43:00 -
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Define too far ? good point 
Most recent example who I wont name *Cough* Robert Ger *Cough*
loses his little probe to me.. then feels the need to show me some love by a nice ******* n00b comment in my mail.
Well at the end of the day it doesnt upset me.. I dont find it offensive in any way.
But that doesn't mean that a younger player in the game wouldn't. I dont petition anyone.. whats the point. But I can prehaps see why people should.
Typherin LaiDai
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Xtreem
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:43:00 -
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ok slightly splitting hairs, but dont u think its weird how the gms allow the killing of ships, and the killing of people, and write story lines about kidnaps and tourture..YET dont allow people who have lost all that to vent there anger?
yes its a game, but were playing the game, and i think having a go at ur ganker/killer is all part of being in your chars head.. IMO
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation The people that go too far, Bhaal, need to be reported.
The question is though, how far is too far? When does angry rant at being killed cross the line into petitionable abuse?
I would say that an eve-mail vocally expressing displeasure at being killed, their opinion of the charachter, and threatening to cause harm to the charachter involved, is a perfectly reasonable eve-mail.
Threatening harm to, or insulting the RL person behind the char, gratuitous and unneccessary use of foul language to make the point, or inbox-disabling levels of spam from the same person would push it over the line for me, but then that's just me.
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0rigin
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:47:00 -
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i take theyre frustration. i read theyre mail. hate mails fan mails death threats for a month i thought one of them has found where i lived. was paranoid for a bit. yes yes yes its a game. but peoples dream are put into this game which is a shame. but yea my suggestion is to just relax let them waste there time chasing you stay putt...
its like fishing. you catch some you loose some. ifyou unlucky your lil boat flips over and leave you naked in the water.

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Bohoba
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:49:00 -
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The lowest form of a pirate is an ore thief robing from newbies. its bad enough big corps go in and take all the ores guess you could call them ore thiefs too :)
next is one that ganks miners in 0.4 space Just sick
but ya the hate mail that is worse than a pirates act
got to love this game hehehe :) Get Into the Game it makes it fun for all |

Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:53:00 -
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too far, IMHO, as soon as it goes beyond 1 or 2 eve-mails and/or directed at the player not the character. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

foolishmortal
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:56:00 -
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I recently lost a Apoc (mining rig) only had 1 medium repair a launcher and miner drones.
Guy came in .4 and killed me, i was booted from the game and i lost a big load of money.
But am i mad about the guy attacking me! No not really he did a good job and popped me before i could get back in to do anything.
I was there taking the risk and this time it didnt pay of 10 mill of Nox for a 121 mill ship :P
I would kill him (attempt to) if i met him in my armed ships in .4 so why shouldnt he take out un protected miners!
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:58:00 -
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Quote: too far, IMHO, as soon as it goes beyond 1 or 2 eve-mails and/or directed at the player not the character.
I disagree with the second part.
ppl like to hide behind their avatars, and sometimes the player needs to be called out on his/her actions.
I don't use alt's, and never hide behind avatars...
How do you hide behind an avatar in teamspeak? You can't. I believe it's the same when typing in chat...
Just words anyways... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!" |

Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.05.26 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Matthew
The question is though, how far is too far? When does angry rant at being killed cross the line into petitionable abuse?
The person being insulted decides that 
Originally by: Matthew
I would say that an eve-mail vocally expressing displeasure at being killed, their opinion of the charachter, and threatening to cause harm to the charachter involved, is a perfectly reasonable eve-mail.
Threatening harm to, or insulting the RL person behind the char, gratuitous and unneccessary use of foul language to make the point, or inbox-disabling levels of spam from the same person would push it over the line for me, but then that's just me.
I agree 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:00:00 -
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Ive had a few, i think their funny as hell, wish i got more
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Domatavus Fallatus
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:05:00 -
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Edited by: Domatavus Fallatus on 26/05/2005 12:06:43
Originally by: Antarium Define too far ? good point 
Most recent example who I wont name *Cough* Robert Ger *Cough*
loses his little probe to me.. then feels the need to show me some love by a nice ******* n00b comment in my mail.
Well at the end of the day it doesnt upset me.. I dont find it offensive in any way.
But that doesn't mean that a younger player in the game wouldn't. I dont petition anyone.. whats the point. But I can prehaps see why people should.
Typherin LaiDai
lawl, also got a nice screen of him cursing in local after i freed him from his mods which he had acquired mining in fa space 
btw... where are there miners in 0.5> ? belt piracy in empire? LIES! ------- My Posts only reflect my personal Opinion and NOT thoose of my Corp
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infused
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:05:00 -
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Look it doesn't bother me. I was just surprised when I found everyone quite ****ed off about losing ships...
It doesn't bother me, and i'm not rich.
(\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination. |

Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: infused Look it doesn't bother me. I was just surprised when I found everyone quite ****ed off about losing ships...
It doesn't bother me, and i'm not rich.
Yes cause sitting in a mining ship is very compairable to flying round pirating. A bank rober getting shot is quite different from the clerk getting shot. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |

Capt Hindgrinder
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:12:00 -
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why would anyone mine in .4?
C.H.
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Matthew
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder why would anyone mine in .4?
C.H.
Because they live in lonetrek, where isogen prices are nice and high due to lack of omber/kernite in 0.5+. At lonetrek prices, omber, and to a lesser extent kernite, is actually worth enough to make dropping to 0.4 to find it tempting.
Of course, some of us spend some more time scouting, find safer omber in a nearby region, and just instajump haul the isogen back every so often.
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