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Gariuys
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:17:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder
why would anyone mine in .4?
C.H.
Cause the gouse with the finished battleships died.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Countess Amarisa
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:24:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Countess Amarisa on 26/05/2005 12:28:01
I am a trader and time to time, i run in pirate infested area in low secure space. They are 2 different type of pirate, the most "gentlemen" one want you to eject your cargo or paid a reward, and it a nice way to do the thing, for my part. They have isk and you keep your ship.
THE second one ; is the worst and got all your eve mail of threat, harassement so on... They are type of pirate firing on any one and don't talk, destroy only to get some loot. Well i can understand the game mechanic , they can do it, and it hard go have a reward from a miner but you must understand than a poeple don't have chance to paid a reward, talk, or make a arrangement must be very angry. We are human after all. I am sure "gentleman" pirate don't have this kind of harassement. If you want to be rid of it, simply be a honorable pirate...
Of course you can be the scum of the universe too, but it more fun, in my way, to reward a piarte guy at a gate after he ask for isk. Because when you give poeple no chance, they will not give you one after that. I am quit sure honorable one have near no hunting party agains them and scum of the universe always have ....
but it my opinion after all, 
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:28:00 -
[33]
Victims don't log off - customers often do.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:38:00 -
[34]
Originally by: infused
Well they killed me in the end, but I was fine with it. I accept i'm going to lose ships. But there is this mentalitly that OMG YOU CANT KILL US! That is agaisnt some religious EVE law...
I don't mind the emails... I just find this hard to belive. People take this game WAY to seriously.
I get the same reaction where evere I go.
uh, then why are you posting this then, unless you too are taking it to seriously.
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V2GBR
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:42:00 -
[35]
Ransoming at a gate in empire is impossible.
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Jamius
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:52:00 -
[36]
Originally by: infused
Look it doesn't bother me. I was just surprised when I found everyone quite ****ed off about losing ships...
It doesn't bother me, and i'm not rich.
Why are you surprised people get annoyed with you when you blow up their ships and they have no wish to get involved in PvP with you in the 1st place?
I am not saying the abuse you recieved was acceptable but why are you surprised. You do something nasty to someone then they get angry. You will find this is normal human behaviour.
If you act as a pirate accept it or don't be a pirate.
I know it is just a game but this game demands a large investement of time and effort from players and losing stuff that maybe took a while to get genuinely hurts most people. There are no save games in Eve. You lose it then that is it.
Try imagining playing an old 2D shoot em up. These took hours to complete with zero save games. Now imagine you were 10 minutes from the end of the game and your little brother runs in and deliberately switches the machine off and laughs at you. You would not stand there and laugh along with him and go "nice one bro - you really got me there". You would want to punch him in the face.
Making any more sense yet Infused?
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Aelius
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Posted - 2005.05.26 12:55:00 -
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Well when i was in TLBC i loved those "hate" mails.
To be honest i collected them in an almost sick way.
I've been killed a couple of times (well more than a couple  ) but personaly if i never died i would feel a little frustrated.
When you "gank" someone you feel a sence of pride of somekind, when YOU are ganked you know another player felt that too, and on those ocasions you will see that EVE is NOTHING more than a game we all enjoy.
All the times i got killed i learned alot, and that is important in EVE.
I never used the log out tactic or runned from a fight with even numbers.
I remember several times when i went to 0.0 to farm NPCs and on the way someone "asked for it". I would dock at the first possible station, refit from traveling setup to PVP setup and had very nice 1vs1 battles.
I also remember the time where Frankinator (raven) pirated me (scorpion non EW stuff) and 2 friends (thoraxes). We docked, i refited and gave him a fight.
We lost but we didn't hide inside the station and logged out. It was a fair fight since my friends were newbies in EVE and i had a NPC setup. So 3 vs 1 was fair since Frank had a more powerfull Raven.
We enjoyed the fight, i lost my Scorpion and one of my friends lost a Thorax (the other docked).
Me and Frank became "EVE friends" since that day.
I don't fight everytime, only when i see odds to win a fair fight. I'm not suicide trying to take 3 or more BS alone.
BTW i can afford to lose a BS, if not i would fly a Cruiser or a Battlecruiser and would do the same if odds were fair.
Ships are build to be used, to fight and to be destroyed.
Enjoy the game, GAME
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Thuban Draconis
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Posted - 2005.05.26 13:03:00 -
[38]
Originally by: infused
Look it doesn't bother me. I was just surprised when I found everyone quite ****ed off about losing ships...
It doesn't bother me, and i'm not rich.
Let me see if I can explain it to youą
Some games like Quake or WWII Online are purely combat games. The only point in playing them is to fight other players. In these games it would be pretty silly to get upset when someone kills you.
But Eve isnĘt one of those games. There are two big differences that you may have missed.
Firstą Have you ever wondered why it takes so long to train up a character in eve? After all, they could just remove skills entirely and let everyone do everything equally well. The reason is accountability. Since they take so long to train, characters arenĘt very disposable. So the actions you take in the game will follow you forever. (Social disapproval is the biggest real life deterrent to crime.)
And Secondą Eve is a building game where the objective is to gather more wealth and power, not a space shoot em up game. Those miners arenĘt out shooting asteroids for the fun of it, they are working to increase their wealth. When you kill them you have cost them several evenings of work.
The mechanics of Eve allow for piracy, and piracy is a legitimate way to increase your own wealth. So in a game sense I donĘt have any problem with you doing it.
Butą
DonĘt go expecting the miners to be happy about it. DonĘt expect that the minerĘs friends and Corporation are going to be too pleased either. They will likely try to hunt you down and kill you. Eve even has a nice system where you can set other players standing to you and put in reasons why. No doubt they set your standing at ū10 and put in a nice note to kill you whenever they can. Weeks or even months from now you will have to be looking over your shoulder to make sure that one of your former victims isnĘt looking for some payback.
Flame mail can go too far and if you think it does then report it. But if you donĘt have the spine to be both hated and hunted by a whole lot of people then piracy may not be for you.
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Keta Min
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Posted - 2005.05.26 13:40:00 -
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a hatemail is like the cherry on top :)
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Miri Tirzan
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Posted - 2005.05.26 14:08:00 -
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Exchanging eve-mail after being ganked is ok but you have to have style. The your stu** A%% and I am going to kill you, blah, blah, blah is so over done. Now when I got hammered back in the day by The Gang, I exchanged emails with the CEO for about six months... both of us enjoyed it. Him inviting me out for a get together and me begging for a framed picture of his corpse.
If your going to do talk smack or do the eve-mails, then have style.
Infused, anything that starts out as "No, I'm not..." is really yeah, you are.
svetlana - "whining gets you stuff. that is why humans got to the top of the food chain and all the other animals got nerfed."
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Tananda Vaakaja
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Posted - 2005.05.26 14:12:00 -
[41]
Originally by: infused
No, im not whining about it...
So i've ganked a few miners in .4 space... now I have a whole region after my ass. After killing 3 people.
People sending abusive eve mails, local bashing. I mean comon.
What the hell is this about? If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Killing miners isn't really morally correct, but this is a god damm game.
Get over it people. 
You've answered your own queston / statement ButtMunch... you've "ganked" a few people. "Ganking" by definition is to attack and kill without provocation, with overwheming force.
The "gankee's" no doubt did not either want or ask for your "gankage"..
There is a special place in Hell for you and your kind...
End yourself you miserable waste of Biomass
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Broggoyimmix
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Posted - 2005.05.26 14:14:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Countess Amarisa
Edited by: Countess Amarisa on 26/05/2005 12:28:01
I am a trader and time to time, i run in pirate infested area in low secure space. They are 2 different type of pirate, the most "gentlemen" one want you to eject your cargo or paid a reward, and it a nice way to do the thing, for my part. They have isk and you keep your ship.
THE second one ; is the worst and got all your eve mail of threat, harassement so on... They are type of pirate firing on any one and don't talk, destroy only to get some loot. Well i can understand the game mechanic , they can do it, and it hard go have a reward from a miner but you must understand than a poeple don't have chance to paid a reward, talk, or make a arrangement must be very angry. We are human after all. I am sure "gentleman" pirate don't have this kind of harassement. If you want to be rid of it, simply be a honorable pirate...
Of course you can be the scum of the universe too, but it more fun, in my way, to reward a piarte guy at a gate after he ask for isk. Because when you give poeple no chance, they will not give you one after that. I am quit sure honorable one have near no hunting party agains them and scum of the universe always have ....
but it my opinion after all,
The problem with ransoming is that unless they really want to pay ( who wants to pay?) there is a strong possibility that they will simply log off. Had it happen a few times when I first started pirating. So why should the pirate risk loosing the loot along with a ransom while the target pulls the plugs outta the wall trying to disconnect? Just destroy the ship, ransom the pod if possible and then sift thru the remains for anything worth selling or using.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.05.26 14:41:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Tananda Vaakaja
The "gankee's" no doubt did not either want or ask for your "gankage"..
They entered low sec space.
Fair game.
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.05.26 15:34:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Ikvar on 26/05/2005 15:34:49
Originally by: Bhaal
Blah blah..
/me looks at Bhall's corp.
/me disregards Bhall's posts.
Some people go over the top, they can't fathom how someone could possibly have the nerve to shoot at them, I like these people, it's a perk of the job I guess 
Some people just take it in their stride, they know it's just a game and don't get worked up. I killed a guy's Typhoon and his corpmate's hauler at a gate in a .3 on tuesday. Before my corpmate podkilled them both all the 'Phoon pilot typed in local was 'Nicely done' or something like that, he obviously knew there was no need to get cross.
Then you have lamers like Detaurus who logged off when he hit one of our 0.0 gatecamps, died and then mailed a few of us calling us cowards etc
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Lysender
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Posted - 2005.05.26 15:43:00 -
[45]
I used to get ganked by players while mining and I had to come up with a solution. It wasn't to difficult to figure out. I stopped mining. 
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Dirtball
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Posted - 2005.05.26 15:44:00 -
[46]
I gate camped once or twice in a pirating fashion, and it's funny how by the end of the day you're not really sure who sodomized who's mom and with what.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.05.26 15:57:00 -
[47]
Quote:
/me looks at Bhall's corp.
/me disregards Bhall's posts.
I don't understand the negativity...
What's wrong with my corp?
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.26 16:11:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Tananda Vaakaja
You've answered your own queston / statement ButtMunch... you've "ganked" a few people. "Ganking" by definition is to attack and kill without provocation, with overwheming force.
The "gankee's" no doubt did not either want or ask for your "gankage"..
There is a special place in Hell for you and your kind...
End yourself you miserable waste of Biomass
Wow. Consider taking some anger management classes, or perhaps some kind of medication.
I don't see the problem with this. The people mining in those areas knew the risks. Your first jump into a < 0.5 sector has a little window that comes up telling you what might happen to you.
So this player ganked some people who weren't paying attention. Who's at fault here?
You can be guaranteed those people are going to be that much more careful the next time they mine in that area. As it should be.
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Danisis
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Posted - 2005.05.26 17:45:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Tananda Vaakaja
Originally by: infused
No, im not whining about it...
So i've ganked a few miners in .4 space... now I have a whole region after my ass. After killing 3 people.
People sending abusive eve mails, local bashing. I mean comon.
What the hell is this about? If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Killing miners isn't really morally correct, but this is a god damm game.
Get over it people.
You've answered your own queston / statement ButtMunch... you've "ganked" a few people. "Ganking" by definition is to attack and kill without provocation, with overwheming force.
The "gankee's" no doubt did not either want or ask for your "gankage"..
There is a special place in Hell for you and your kind...
End yourself you miserable waste of Biomass
I love this post. 
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.26 18:18:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Danisis
Originally by: Tananda Vaakaja
Originally by: infused
No, im not whining about it...
So i've ganked a few miners in .4 space... now I have a whole region after my ass. After killing 3 people.
People sending abusive eve mails, local bashing. I mean comon.
What the hell is this about? If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Killing miners isn't really morally correct, but this is a god damm game.
Get over it people.
You've answered your own queston / statement ButtMunch... you've "ganked" a few people. "Ganking" by definition is to attack and kill without provocation, with overwheming force.
The "gankee's" no doubt did not either want or ask for your "gankage"..
There is a special place in Hell for you and your kind...
End yourself you miserable waste of Biomass
I love this post.
It does make you want to do naughty things doesnt it?
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Freddy Kruger
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Posted - 2005.05.26 19:02:00 -
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What about the fact that dead people don't talk? Perhapse you kill someone and automaticly they can not email you chat with you or anything unless you acknowldge them.
Just a thought.
Mr. Gashon Fallanthal
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infused
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Posted - 2005.05.26 20:19:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tananda Vaakaja
Originally by: infused
No, im not whining about it...
So i've ganked a few miners in .4 space... now I have a whole region after my ass. After killing 3 people.
People sending abusive eve mails, local bashing. I mean comon.
What the hell is this about? If you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it. Killing miners isn't really morally correct, but this is a god damm game.
Get over it people.
You've answered your own queston / statement ButtMunch... you've "ganked" a few people. "Ganking" by definition is to attack and kill without provocation, with overwheming force.
The "gankee's" no doubt did not either want or ask for your "gankage"..
There is a special place in Hell for you and your kind...
End yourself you miserable waste of Biomass
If you mine in .4 or below, you take that risk.
What's wrong? Been 'ganked' too much in the past?
Anyway, can we close this thread. It's done it's job.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.05.26 20:21:00 -
[53]
Originally by: infused
Anyway, can we close this thread. It's done it's job.
Hey, it was happily on its way off page 1 before you bumped it. :)
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.05.26 21:48:00 -
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The best story I have is after ganking this guy's pride and joy geddon in a complex he not only starts complaining in local, but he sends me the insurance money for the ship stating that "I earned it" in a snickering kind of way and that he was going to "quit this f-ing game" anyway.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.05.26 22:16:00 -
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Just block them, end of story. They continue to harass you, then report them. That's when it's too far. Don't know why it would get to you in the first place. Just ignore it, gank them some more.
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Bubba Fett
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Posted - 2005.05.26 22:31:00 -
[56]
I don't really see the problem here.
You did something hurtful because you wanted to even though it didn't benefit you much. (killed the miner)
He did something hurtful even though it didn't benefit him much. (sent you hate mail)
So what makes your hurtful act OK while his is wrong?
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.05.26 23:55:00 -
[57]
Edited by: DrunkenOne on 26/05/2005 23:56:05
Originally by: Bhaal
Can you define "too far"?
My definition (this was in local after a 20 frig gang killed 5 BS... name changed to protect the guilty):
CryingAllianceNPCer> jesus christ, why don't you just ******* get AIDS and die you syplitic*****sucking griefer, go bug xetic or somebody who actually gives a **** about you *******s.
^^wishing we all "get aids and die" seems kinda out of gamish :).
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.05.27 00:45:00 -
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Quote:
^^wishing we all "get aids and die" seems kinda out of gamish :).
Yeah, it's meant to be hurtful, but I would never petition someone over that...
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MutationZ
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Posted - 2005.05.27 03:31:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Bhaal
Quote:
^^wishing we all "get aids and die" seems kinda out of gamish :).
Yeah, it's meant to be hurtful, but I would never petition someone over that...
I would. Thats way out of line. If they cant seperate RL from a game then they need some time off.
How would you feel if somebody in your family was ill and you get mail saying "I hope you all get cancer!!one!!" ?
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Lorth
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Posted - 2005.05.27 04:18:00 -
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Honestly, I love hate mails, I think they are some of the funniest things you'll see in this game. How or why someone can be so obsesed with a game to actually cuss and threaten other players is beyond me.
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