I've never had any problems putting together a gang. Did it ever occur to you that many people PVP for the "challenge" and not just to be the 15th or 30th person on some random KM that took literally zero skill or player ability to produce?

Seriously are you too dumb or too new to know that myself and a friend built one of the largest Calari corps in the last year. We had around 70 players at the peak which took about 3 month or so to do and then it became apparent that there just wasn't any decent fights to be had from the Gals.

What have you done other than always been the 15th or 30th person on a KM?


We built a corp that started showing decent progress by recruiting new & low skill point players. Building a corp & taking gangs out was never a problem of mine. The problem was getting actual fights out of Gallente. You guys quite literally bored me to the point I couldn't be bother to take a gangs out anymore, because it was always the same thing every time.

We had to spend 99% of our time dodging Gal blobs vs getting decent fights out of you. Sure we had decent success ganking random Gals along the way, but that gets boring very fast when your main intent is to actually try and get a fight. If I wanted to just be a gank bear I 'd still be taking gangs out, but I wanted decent fights something Gals would never give.

It became apparent that we were never going to compete in the US time zone as a corp, head to head with the Gal Militia blob. It didn't matter if we took 5 guys out or 15 we would get 30 Gals showing up so the result was the same no fight.

You guys successfully bored me to death in your most active time zone, due to the lack of fights to the point I stopped building the corp and taking out gangs. I knew the only logical thing we could do is leave FW and go pirate or go to NPC null. Considering Caldari was already badly out numbered I didn't want to pull the recruit a bunch of players & leave routine that has played it's self out many times in Caldari Militia.

Why is it do you think most corps & now alliances that grow successful in Cal militia end up leaving? It's because you guys are boring as hell to fight on the corp/alliance level. The only decent fighting that goes on anymore is random 1 or 2 man plex fights with frigs and you surely don't need a 50 to 100 man corp for that.

You guys have quite effectively bored Calari Militia into disbanding on more than one occasion. Congrats you guys are pros at it.

The bulk of our corp was low skill point players that were new to the game, which means changing fleet comps was a time consuming thing to do. We pretty much set up a basic skill plan to best utilize the lack of skill points and had guys get into a quick 3-5 days Thrasher skill plan then had them push directly into HML Nano Drakes.

We pretty much had no cruisers to choose from because at the time the T1 cruisers hadn't been reworked and the only missile spamming cruiser was the Caracal. Which was a waste of time for the most part outside of killing frigs.

With 50 to 70 guys on average you end up with a 8-12 man fleet unless it's pre-planned. Now keep in mind we were trying to get fights at the height of Gal Militia prime time and they have multiple corps with well over 100 players. It was not uncommon at all to jump into Nennamaila and have 40 to 50 Gals sitting docked in their station.

A few jumps away was Villi which could easily have another 10 to 15 Gals at that time and several jumps the other way Gals held Rakapas at the time and Nis a jump or two away that could easily account for another 20+/- . Added to this is they would never leave this area that we called the blob lands that went from pretty much Vili to Raka.

Meaning if we tried to go through the area we would attract a ******** number of people chasing us around but if we tried to find small groups away from that area there was nothing at all to fight. Added to this not only knowing they out number us 2 or 3 to one they would always over ship to boot.

If we took out a frig & dessie gang we were met with easily equal numbers of frigs & dessies but also cruiser & BC's. If we took out our BC's they would bring BC fleets with full logistics or T3 gangs. If we tried to use plexes to equalize the fighting terms they would just ignore us.

This is why I say they bored me to the point I just stopping trying. I was there to fight, I tried to build a corp to build competent gangs to fight what we were facing, but you can only run so many fleets where the biggest objective is avoiding getting ganked by superior numbers so many times, before you just get bored of never actually getting a fight.

It was simply easier and more fun just to take a small gang and head out to null sec to find a random fight. Sure we might get blobbed or we might get a fight but at least there was a chance of a fun fight and some randomness to it. With Gals it has always been either the whole blob or nothing.

Anyone that has lived in or around Black Rise and been involved with FW for more than 6 months knows the numbers that I said are very true. As far as Thrashers if you bothered to read you would have seen that was the 1st ship we had guys train into. We used Thrashers very effectively and even sometimes not so effectively, but after a while one gets bored of just running frig & thrasher gangs.

Thrashers were the bread & butter of our corp, but my focus as a corp was to run competent BC gangs with proper support. We eventually had decent BC gangs but we rarely got to use them because it would have been suicide to do so, with the number imbalance that we faced. We pretty much just used BC's to play with local pirates or when we went on null sec roams.