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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:34:00 -
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Good afternoon internet spaceships captains!
CCP Seagull is here with an awesome new Dev Blog, covering further details from her presentation in the Keynote at Fanfest 2012.
She would like to introduce to you all to our awesome new free developer license, as well as the CREST API beta period!
Feel free to check out all the details in her new Dev Blog!
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Team -á || -á EVE Illuminati -á || -á-á@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents
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Thelonious Blake
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:45:00 -
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Quote:Access to tools and APIs are free of charge, and we have no plans to charge for this access. We may however in the future decide to charge for heavy usage of certain API endpoints for example. Any such plans would be advertised with plenty of notice.
Could you please explain this. |
Aethlyn
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.12.20 15:48:00 -
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Sounds awesome, although I fear I finally have to grab a credit card just to use that... argh! :) Would love to see some other verification process, e.g. Google uses mobile phone. I can understand the connection with a credit card due to the stored address data and stuff, it's still a bit... annoying. Credit cards are still not that popular/widespread in Germany as they are in some other countries.
Looking for more thoughts? Read http://aethlyn.blogspot.com/ or follow me on http://twitter.com/Aethlyn. |
June Ting
Valkyries of Night
Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:11:00 -
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s/resposnible/responsible/ paragraph 3
My main question as someone who works on a set of open source apps is how this interacts with other peoples' ability to modify code that I publish, and whether code written for CREST is going to be compatible with certain restrictive open source licenses (e.g. GPL) given that the CREST license agreement appears to place restrictions on how any code combined with CCP code can be used.
The other interesting question is whether I should publish source without dev API keys embedded and force each user to sign the CREST agreement in order to use an app, or whether I publish binary blobs containing my API key and hope nobody reverse engineers my dev API key from the binary. |
Graygor
1kB Realty
1kB Galactic
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:17:00 -
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This looks good. Cant wait to see how this will change 3rd party programmes and the new functions we might gain.
Post with your brainGäó |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:19:00 -
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You're really covering the bases with that Force Majeure clause, aren't you? 
As for the way to distribute code:
Distribute source without your api stuff. Binary blobs are another matter (but be ready for revocation). Anyone that works with twitter apps has the same issue.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:31:00 -
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I cannot wait to dig into this! :D Looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with using it.
Game Designer | Team True Grit
[url]https://twitter.com/RegnerBA[/url] |
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Delta3000
Barr Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:36:00 -
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Any reason why my post was deleted when I asked a valid question?
I'll reiterate, is this leading to in game apps or not? |
Valkyrs
Deep Vein Trading
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:36:00 -
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Going to read this ASAP! As a programmer and EVE Online player, I've found they are symbiotic. Glad to see steps being made to enhance this.
Keep up the good work! |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:38:00 -
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My pants are tighter.
Dual Pane idea:
Click!
CCP Please Implement |
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Matalok
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:39:00 -
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Excellent news! |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:39:00 -
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Yay, so very excited about this.
Thanks also for addressing *all* of the concerns the CSM had with the previous version, including adding that condition to the Force Majeure clause... :)
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
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nikon56
UnSkilleD Inc.
Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:40:00 -
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Delta3000 wrote:Any reason why my post was deleted when I asked a valid question?
I'll reiterate, is this leading to in game apps or not?
by reading the dev blog, i understand that this is a HTTP API, so:
it is external to the game
might not be an issue to make any opensource soft because the API is fully external, so no part of CCP code would be included in your 3rd party app |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:47:00 -
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Developer grants CCP a limited, non-exclusive, worldwide, nontransferrable right during the Term (i) to use the Application and view any publicly available materials associated therewith (e.g., documentation), and (ii) ***upon written
request of CCP delivered to Developer, to inspect the workings of the Application, including but not limited to its source code***
I have developed for numerous third party products in the past and I have *never* been required to sign an agreeement which allows a third party access to my source code, especially in such a way that is worded to be deliberatly open ended. There is no mention of disclosure agreements, retention, filtering or limitation of access.
This is not something I could in good faith suggest any developer accept, especially if they're dealing with things such as online services and centralised databases.
Also, does this prevent charging monthly fees for things such as CREST-integrated KBs running tasks such as as auto-reimbursement? |
darius mclever
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:53:00 -
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please allow all your normal payment methods to be used for the verification. |
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
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Posted - 2012.12.20 16:56:00 -
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can you please clarify:
charging (ingame) ISK for applications is not allowed, only donations?
3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:08:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:can you please clarify:
charging (ingame) ISK for applications is not allowed, only donations?
They did, twice... 3 times if you read the PDF as well.
Dual Pane idea:
Click!
CCP Please Implement |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY
Tribal Conclave
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:08:00 -
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This also means that there will be a developers community page where all player could go and harvest their programs???
This sounds good! No more Internet Scavenging...
Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built)
Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
860
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:15:00 -
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Quick question:
Will this be used to cover access to the SDE? And if so, what would be the status of people who distribute converted copies there of, in other formats? (such as mysql, sqlite, and so on)
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:19:00 -
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Now this is really nice. Looking forward to this.
I would like input on the advert parts though, looking at for example Google Ads where there is somewhat limited ability to control them, how is this viewed in terms of the EULA breach?
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Creca
O.Z. Prizon
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:21:00 -
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Small typo in the devblog:
Quote:Protecting players and our game universe. Applications that we didn't write that connect to our game can potentially damage both individual players and our game universe as a whole. We need to be able to both close down access for whole applications if they threaten the game, and reach a person behind each appliation. |
hfo df
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:23:00 -
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Awesome! Cant wait to get started! |
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CCP Seagull
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:41:00 -
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Thelonious Blake wrote:Could you please explain what do you mean by Quote:certain API endpoints
There are no practical plans for any of this - but there could be cases where if you want to query endpoints that cost us lots of bandwidth to deliver a lot, we'd ask you to pay for that. But we have no such end points today, and no such setup planned. I just wanted to flag that there is no guarantee that all access will be free for ever - just trying to manage expectations, in case we run into something that is too expensive for us to deliver for free, but that we could keep if developers were willing to pay.
/Seagull
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CCP Games Reykjavik |
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CCP Alice
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:42:00 -
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This makes me very happy! We're all very excited to see this becoming a reality :)
Alx Warlord wrote:This also means that there will be a developers community page where all player could go and harvest their programs???
This sounds good! No more Internet Scavenging...
Yes, at some point in the future we're hoping to have an Applications directory that would also include the Fansites and other player generated resources. It would most likely be on the EVE Community website, since the Developers one will be more tailored towards the people who are developing the actual applications, fansites, and all the other shinys.
CCP Alice --áWeb Architect-á
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CCP Seagull
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:45:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Quick question:
Will this be used to cover access to the SDE? And if so, what would be the status of people who distribute converted copies there of, in other formats? (such as mysql, sqlite, and so on)
SDE, access to the current API, and all other dev resources will be freely available, and not require the Dev License. Only CREST usage and Single Sign On usage will require the license.
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CCP Games Reykjavik |
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CCP Seagull
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:50:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Developer grants CCP a limited, non-exclusive, worldwide, nontransferrable right during the Term (i) to use the Application and view any publicly available materials associated therewith (e.g., documentation), and (ii) ***upon written
request of CCP delivered to Developer, to inspect the workings of the Application, including but not limited to its source code***
I have developed for numerous third party products in the past and I have *never* been required to sign an agreeement which allows a third party access to my source code, especially in such a way that is worded to be deliberatly open ended. There is no mention of disclosure agreements, retention, filtering or limitation of access.
This is not something I could in good faith suggest any developer accept, especially if they're dealing with things such as online services and centralised databases.
Also, does this prevent charging monthly fees for things such as CREST-integrated KBs running tasks such as as auto-reimbursement?
I will bring the source code concern to our legal counsel, to get a clarification of what the intention is here.
As the license currently stands, this would prevent you from charging for such a kill-board - but we are very interested in you sending exactly such cases to [email protected], so that we can look at how the license could evolve to support cases that are good for the community, and not a problem for us legally. Having concrete examples helps us a lot in this.
Technical Producer
CCP Games Reykjavik |
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Arydanika
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:02:00 -
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I'm so excited to hear about CREST Beta. Fan apps like Aura are going to have a field day with this and I can't wait to see what they come up with.
Big ups to CCP to taking them to really sit down, look over the 3rd party developer license and bring out something which is a true boon to the community. I don't just mean from a free aspect though that is part of it. The risk involved with a move like this is tremendous and I'm so happy to see CCP Games is sticking with their tag of being Fearless in a way that is positive for the game and the community.
Happy coding to all!
Runner of Voices from the Void podcast, Eve Online Pod Pack & DJ on eve-radio.com Sundays at 1800.-á Organizer of the ATX Eve Online Meet. GÖÑ |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:06:00 -
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Nice |
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:14:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Peter Powers wrote:can you please clarify:
charging (ingame) ISK for applications is not allowed, only donations? They did, twice... 3 times if you read the PDF as well.
they did not, 4.1 is the only mention of payment, and basically it doesn't specify in-game itself, actually it might imply it,
but its not clear, i'm not an US-Law professional.
hence i'm asking.
3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications |
Bai Guang
Root.
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Posted - 2012.12.20 18:23:00 -
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Peter Powers wrote:Zagdul wrote:Peter Powers wrote:can you please clarify:
charging (ingame) ISK for applications is not allowed, only donations? They did, twice... 3 times if you read the PDF as well. they did not, 4.1 is the only mention of payment, and basically it doesn't specify in-game itself, actually it might imply it, but its not clear, i'm not an US-Law professional. See below: hence i'm asking.
it seems as if that is the case, currently you are not allowed to charge ISK for products, only donations, but they asked us to send queries to see if maybe that could be amended.
CCP Seagull wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:...
Also, does this prevent charging monthly fees for things such as CREST-integrated KBs running tasks such as as auto-reimbursement? I will bring the source code concern to our legal counsel, to get a clarification of what the intention is here. As the license currently stands, this would prevent you from charging for such a kill-board - but we are very interested in you sending exactly such cases to [email protected], so that we can look at how the license could evolve to support cases that are good for the community, and not a problem for us legally. Having concrete examples helps us a lot in this. |
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