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Celina Aremac
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2012.12.21 09:56:00 -
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Hi,
New to EVE and looking to pair up with my friend who has also just started, we want to buy BPOs, research them and then from there manufacture and make copies.
However, for the life of me I cannot find anywhere whre you can find a list of what NPCs sell what T1 BPOs? We wanted to do the simple task of making our own ammo as a starter, but I can't find where I can buy an original BPO for them!
I am sur I read that most T1 BPOs are sold by vendors and others and higher tech ones need to be researched, etc.
Can anyone help me out here, I've spent a lot of time trying to find somewhere with no luck? |
Don Aubaris
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:02:00 -
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Go Market.
Take Blue Prints
Select whatever you are looking for (like a specic ammo)
Click View Details and you'll see all the offers
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RaTTuS
BIG
Everywhere - Everything
225
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:03:00 -
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if it's on the market then it is a 0ME / 0PE original
if it is a racially made thing then it will be in the region where that race comes from ....
i.e. projectile weapons from minmatar space
armar reppers form amarr space ..
also see
http://zofu.no-ip.de/bpo
http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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calaretu
Axial tilt
Malefic Aspects
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:06:00 -
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Search for it at http://eve-central.com/ |
Celina Aremac
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:07:00 -
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Thanks, may seem like a stupid question, but how do you tell the difference between a BPO and a copy? |
Matthew97
Pro Synergy
ARK.
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:08:00 -
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Celina Aremac wrote:Hi,
New to EVE and looking to pair up with my friend who has also just started, we want to buy BPOs, research them and then from there manufacture and make copies.
However, for the life of me I cannot find anywhere whre you can find a list of what NPCs sell what T1 BPOs? We wanted to do the simple task of making our own ammo as a starter, but I can't find where I can buy an original BPO for them!
I am sur I read that most T1 BPOs are sold by vendors and others and higher tech ones need to be researched, etc.
Can anyone help me out here, I've spent a lot of time trying to find somewhere with no luck?
Well as stated you can buy them directly from the market at 0ME / 0PE.
If you're looking for a NPC retailer (who could be cheaper or more expenive) you can go to the Corp information for each corp (Sucks i Know) and go to "Market Activity" It will show what they seed and how much for in all of their stations.
For example ORE seed all the Mining Barge BPO's but only have stations in Null Sec, yet you can buy it cheaper in certain regions than if you went to an ORE station and got it from an NPC and then try and get back to High Sec.
All T2 ones do need to be Invented from a T1 BPC (There are TECH 2 BPO's out there but they are very rare and highly unlikely to be for sale, if they happen to be they'll be way up in the billions)
Also the link Rattus provided allows you to search for the BPO and tells you what NPC corp sells them
Celina Aremac wrote:Thanks, may seem like a stupid question, but how do you tell the difference between a BPO and a copy?
When you check the attributes it will state "BLUEPRINT ORIGINAL" or "BLUEPRINT COPY". Note that Copies cannot be sold on the market, only via contracts / direct trades etc. |
Celina Aremac
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:10:00 -
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Matthew97 wrote:Celina Aremac wrote:Hi,
New to EVE and looking to pair up with my friend who has also just started, we want to buy BPOs, research them and then from there manufacture and make copies.
However, for the life of me I cannot find anywhere whre you can find a list of what NPCs sell what T1 BPOs? We wanted to do the simple task of making our own ammo as a starter, but I can't find where I can buy an original BPO for them!
I am sur I read that most T1 BPOs are sold by vendors and others and higher tech ones need to be researched, etc.
Can anyone help me out here, I've spent a lot of time trying to find somewhere with no luck? Well as stated you can buy them directly from the market at 0ME / 0PE. If you're looking for a NPC retailer (who could be cheaper or more expenive) you can go to the Corp information for each corp (Sucks i Know) and go to "Market Activity" It will show what they seed and how much for in all of their stations. For example ORE seed all the Mining Barge BPO's but only have stations in Null Sec, yet you can buy it cheaper in certain regions than if you went to an ORE station and got it from an NPC and then try and get back to High Sec. All T2 ones do need to be Invented from a T1 BPC (There are TECH 2 BPO's out there but they are very rare and highly unlikely to be for sale, if they happen to be they'll be way up in the billions) Celina Aremac wrote:Thanks, may seem like a stupid question, but how do you tell the difference between a BPO and a copy? When you check the attributes it will state "BLUEPRINT ORIGINAL" or "BLUEPRINT COPY". Note that Copies cannot be sold on the market, only via contracts / direct trades etc.
Thanks for the help, what does 0ME / 0PE mean?
Hate being the newb when starting a new game -.- |
Celina Aremac
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:11:00 -
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Also, thanks for letting me know that you can only sell originals on the market, here I was thinking you can't tell the difference, but they are only BPOs!
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Matthew97
Pro Synergy
ARK.
95
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:14:00 -
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Celina Aremac wrote:Matthew97 wrote:[quote=Celina Aremac]*SNip* Thanks for the help, what does 0ME / 0PE mean? Hate being the newb when starting a new game -.-
No worries :P
ME stands for Material efficiency, PE stands for Product efficiency.
The higher the "ME" of a BPO / BPC the less materials will be required when its built.
The higher the "PE" of a BPO / BPC the faster it will be built.
Note that it does take a long time to research them up depending on the level you want.
The link Rattus provided also shows you how long it will take + what it will save you :)
Edit: I forgot to mention that only BPO's with ME / PE 0 can be sold on the market, so even if a BPO has a ME of 16 it cant be sold on market. |
Pyre leFay
The Scope
Gallente Federation
143
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:18:00 -
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http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Researching_blueprints
Copies can be bought from contracts, they cost pennies compared to some bpos, and most are pre-researched so you don't need the weeks and months required for larger ships to train up time and material efficiency. |
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calaretu
Axial tilt
Malefic Aspects
0
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:51:00 -
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Also if you are planning to not sell for cost but maybe make some profit this is a very handy tool:
http://www.eve-market-guide.com/ |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2344
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Posted - 2012.12.21 11:15:00 -
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Celina Aremac wrote:Thanks, may seem like a stupid question, but how do you tell the difference between a BPO and a copy?
Another quick way is: the BPOs are deep blue, the BPCs are washed, brighter light blue. Plus if you right click and Show Info the BPCs say "Blue Print Copy" and have "Runs left".
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
741
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:05:00 -
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Thread moved to Science & Industry
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ISD Praetoxx
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liasons (CCLs)
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:29:00 -
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Celina Aremac wrote:Thanks for the help, what does 0ME / 0PE mean?
PE or PL stands for the Production Level of the Blueprint, and as you increase PL, you reduce the amount of waste time, so that the item can be produced faster. PL isn't too important. I try to consistently call it PL to distinguish it from the Production Efficiency skill, which can also abbreviated PE.
(Note that you want to train PE skill to 5 before you produce anything significant.)
ME or ML stands for the Materials Level of the Blueprint, and as you increase the ML, you reduce the amount of waste materials, i.e. minerals. As ML increases, you move asymptotically towards an ideal or perfected production process where there is 0.00% wasted minerals so that your profit margin is maximalized.
In adition to mineral waste from ML, you also get additional minerals wasted if your PE skill is lower than 5, and you absolutely do not want that.
So, when you buy an PL0 ML0 BPO, you want to research on it to improve its ML at least a little, but don't fret too much about PL.
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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2012.12.21 12:30:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Celina Aremac wrote:Thanks, may seem like a stupid question, but how do you tell the difference between a BPO and a copy? Another quick way is: the BPOs are deep blue, the BPCs are washed, brighter light blue. Plus if you right click and Show Info the BPCs say "Blue Print Copy" and have "Runs left".
Yes, this is a fairly recent change CCP has made. It used to be that BPO and BPC were almost impossible to distinguish visually, and that made a lot of industrialists very unhappy, and CCP kept talking about how it wasn't possible for them to fix this by giving each type of Blueprint its own icon. But then they finally hardened the **** and did it anyway.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
860
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:19:00 -
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This won't help you find blueprints.
It may help you work out if a blueprint is profitable for you to work with:
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/blueprints/
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Huttan Funaila
Terminal Radioactivity
Honey Badger Coalition
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Posted - 2012.12.21 17:44:00 -
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You can find out what blueprints are available for sale (and for how much) at: http://eve-marketdata.com/
For a sample: Cormorant Blueprint. Notice that the red letters "NPC" indicate the seller is an NPC.
Blueprints that have been researched, as well as copies, have to be sold via contracts. |
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
154
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Posted - 2012.12.22 08:30:00 -
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Huttan Funaila wrote:You can find out what blueprints are available for sale (and for how much) at: http://eve-marketdata.com/For a sample: Cormorant Blueprint. Notice that the red letters "NPC" indicate the seller is an NPC. Blueprints that have been researched, as well as copies, have to be sold via contracts.
You can also see that it's an NPC seller, because the time Remaining column says more than 90 days. PCs, Player Characters, cannot put up Sell Orders (nor Buy Orders) with a time of more than 90 days (although the timer resets if you change the order's price), while NPCs, Non-Player Characters, routinely puts up Sell Orders with 364 day limits (maybe Buy Orders too - I don't know personally) whenever CCP decides to "seed" items or when such items are automatically "re-seeded".
Also note that you can buy everything in Jita. But usually at a markup. Well, actually, always at a markup, but sometimes the markup is so tiny that you shouldn't worry about it.
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Redout Utama
Research Science Institute
0
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Posted - 2012.12.22 18:37:00 -
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eve central
in serach field: blueprint <----- Not Heron Blueprint, Punisher blueprint ...... the word "blueprint". every single blueprint original will show up, price and location.
BPO list will generate
In game NPC seeded BPOs will be marked with 365 or 364 days duration..... Players can not make sell orders lasting that long
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Todath Narod
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.20 00:35:00 -
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Just bought a retriever BPC with 150 ME, 10 runs, 7.999m ISK. Thought I was getting some sort of deal. When I started the manu process and looked at the required materials, it looked like this :
Raw Materials
Item / Waste
Isogen............105,536 32.3%
Megacyte................104 25.0%
Mexallon...........62,200 31.5%
Nocxium.............1,915 17.8%
Pyerite............105,315 48.4%
Tritanium.......683,224 24.9%
Zydrine...................489 17.3%
Extra Material
Isogen...............26,869
Megacyte................177
Mexallon...........39,907
Nocxium.............1,827
Pyerite............455,721
Tritanium....1,187,716
Zydrine...................446
This makes the mineral cost of the ship just over $30m ISK - hardly enough to justify manufacturing it, even with decent skills.
What was my mistake here? I didn't look at the materials requirements of the BPC in the contract, just the ME level. But, is it the case that ME doesn't matter as much as the skill of the person who made the BPC? In other words, did the seller more or less deliberately rip me off by offering a high ME BPC for this item, when their research skill was basically crap?
As I suggested, I probably made a noob mistake here, and would appreciate any guidance or help. |
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Termy Rockling
EVE University
Ivy League
30
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Posted - 2013.03.20 03:06:00 -
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Mining barges had a change during summer which increased their costs a LOT and people made tons of them before the change, i bet there is still old barges on market. Same thing with cruisers and now battlecruisers.
As for the npc sold BPO locations, each faction sells their own stuff.
- Amarr
Amarr ships
Lasers
Capacitor Related
Armor Tanking
- Caldari
Caldari ships
Missiles
Shield tanking
- Gallente
Gallente Ships
Drones
Hybrid weapons
- Minmatar
Minmatar Ships
Projectile weapons
Propulsion
Etc etc, the list isnt comprehensive. Most tradehubs have all BPOs for sale from nice nonprofit capsuleers for small markup. |
Phext
SIGBUS
3
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Posted - 2013.03.20 14:04:00 -
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http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/market.php --> Blueprints --> whatever blueprint
should give you an idea about which NPC Corp sells them. There is a lot of information on that site. Regarding blueprints: ME Levels, research/manufacturing times and stuff might be of interest . Use Peoples & Places to find a nearby station of the Corp n question. |
Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1269
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Posted - 2013.03.20 14:34:00 -
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Todath Narod wrote:(stuff)
first off, what's your "Production Efficiency" skill level?
Secondly, there was a change recently (approximately 1 year) to the barges that upped the manu costs pretty significantly (all those "Extra Materials")... a ton of people built a huge supply before patch day, knowing that they could never lose money on the plan, since at worst they're looking at ~5m/ship (or whatever build cost was back then) on ships where the NEW requirement pushes them to well over 20m build cost...
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Todath Narod
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:08:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Todath Narod wrote:(stuff) more stuff
PE is 3. With this skill there are actually some items I can make a decent profit making, especially if it has a lot of trit, where my net refine yield is close to 97%. Thanks for the info, that clarifies matters.
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
1271
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:15:00 -
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Todath Narod wrote:Velicitia wrote:Todath Narod wrote:(stuff) more stuff PE is 3. With this skill there are actually some items I can make a decent profit making, especially if it has a lot of trit, where my net refine yield is close to 97%. Thanks for the info, that clarifies matters.
This is part of your problem too ... most manufacturers you're competing against will have PE 5.
Keep in mind though -- minerals you mine aren't free ... throws profits off when you start down that path.
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Todath Narod
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.03.20 18:22:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Todath Narod wrote:Velicitia wrote:Todath Narod wrote:(stuff) more stuff PE is 3. With this skill there are actually some items I can make a decent profit making, especially if it has a lot of trit, where my net refine yield is close to 97%. Thanks for the info, that clarifies matters. This is part of your problem too ... most manufacturers you're competing against will have PE 5. Keep in mind though -- minerals you mine aren't free ... throws profits off when you start down that path.
Its good advice.
When I started I was playing with someone else who was also new, and that person wanted to turn ore into finished products, rather than just sell the ore. I whipped out my spreadsheet (which now has 5 pages) and plugged formulae cross matrixed with a semi-daily update of ore and mineral prices. This calculates the ore and mineral value of a finished product before I make anything. If what I have named the "demand factor" - the highest price volume buy order at the nearby trade hub - is not at equal to the mineral value, there's no point in making the product. As well one needs to look at the daily volume in the region, the amount of sell orders in comparison - if the sell order volumes are far in excess of the daily demand *and* there is almost no difference between the raw ore or mineral value of the product and the product sales price, you are losing money and time trying to make the product. And all of this must of course add in the per unit cost of the BPC or BPO.
I was never able to convince the other person I was playing with that we were losing about 20 to 30%% of our revenue by making products instead of just selling the ore - so I quit that corpo and started my own. 
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