The coming of cheap rr - bloblizing lowsec following the footsteps of null.

The coming of cheap rr - bloblizing lowsec following the footsteps of null.

So the ability to have even the most low skillpoint pilot hop into a logi is effectively another way of killing solo pvp, much like anyone with caladari cruiser 3 can jump into a blackbird and fit it all with specific jammers, taking SP investment and real skill completely out of the equation..

So the ability to have even the most low skillpoint pilot hop into a logi is effectively another way of killing solo pvp

Meh logi , The new omen on the other hand is just lovely :)

T2 is going to need to get much better to compete with these new changes...

Nah. They are now what T2 should be to T1 GÇö better in every way but not as to completely obsolete the T1. The last thing we need is an arms-race and power-creep between the two tiers.

The only problem I see with this is the effect it has on solo players/very small gangs, duo's and trios lose a lot of DPS/tackler/scouter to bring a Logi and well, the solo player does not have either of them.

So the ability to have even the most low skillpoint pilot hop into a logi is effectively another way of killing solo pvp, much like anyone with caladari cruiser 3 can jump into a blackbird and fit it all with specific jammers, taking SP investment and real skill completely out of the equation.

ASB's is a good example of a solo pvp killer, was fine when no one was using them but when everyone starts to use them, the solo player starts to struggle when it comes to killing things in a timely fasion.

However, defo good job on it CCP, Aquila have had a few t1 cruiser roams that have been awesome, wish we could encourage more of it.

I flew and lost 2 Bellicose the other day and I liked it

tl;dr

"Complaining about support roles in a game that revolves around group interatcions and dynamics." ???

Which, by the way, your post is really confusing. You're complaining about CCP killing off solo and small group play, and then congratulating them for the changes they've made? Is it sarcasm or are you saying good on them for understanding that groups shoudl be thier priority and not the solo pvper?



In fact,
Why is it that EVE more than any other MMO revolves around groups of individuals; yet people complain whenever CCP does things that don't prop up the solo player. You think those people would have figured out by now that CCP isn't interested in catering to you guys, but to those people that actually participate in the wider game and actually play with others.

As if no one can see what happens when the largest MMO on the market continually caters to the solo player.
WoW contiually gained subscribers when it catered to group and raid gameplay. As soon as they gave every person access to the same content though a Q, millions of people started to move to other games.

You would think the players and more developers would have put two and two together and figured out by now that most people actually want to play MMO's for the group dynamics.

if we wanted to play a game that revolved and catered to the solo player, we'd fire up a SINGLE PLAYER game.



I'm glad CCP gets that and isn't catering to the solo guys.

Nah. They are now what T2 should be to T1 GÇö better in every way but not as to completely obsolete the T1. The last thing we need is an arms-race and power-creep between the two tiers.

Now they have to boost the t2 variants.

35m vs ~200m

I don't know. I feel like T2 Logistics are lacking in the range bonus when comparing them to T1, and that HACs are now in a pretty bad place. Only slightly better than T1, and significantly worse than their T3 counterparts.

I love it when people mention solo pvp and people instantly think you want to play a single player game, what am I shooting myself you idiot?

I am shooting the other various gangs flying around, I play for the group dynamic but when no one is around what am I going to do? log off and wait for my blob to log in or take the fight solo? If CCP manages to kill solo pvp A LOT of players will be logging off when the TZ switches over due to inactivity, people do not seem to see the issue with this.

I am congratulating them for actually balancing clearly broken ships? are you thick? just because I have a view of how this will effect a certain aspect of the game does not mean I am dissin' the changes, this WILL effect solo pvp as it will become harder for solo'ers to attack smaller gangs if they have t1 logis that are widely available to many players of many SP levels.

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Which, by the way, your post is really confusing. You're complaining about CCP killing off solo and small group play, and then congratulating them for the changes they've made? Is it sarcasm or are you saying good on them for understanding that groups shoudl be thier priority and not the solo pvper?


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As the for Logis' range bonus, I'd say it's decent enough. Again, it's strictly better than the T1 without being silly (and making it silly wouldn't necessarily be worth-while anyway since you'd still want to be kind of close to the fleet you're supporting).

The concequences of boosting the t1 cruisers & leaving the t2 untouched was a bit shortsighted. I would have prefered if they gave the t2 versions more shields or armor & more power. Otherwise the price differene is too great.

The concequences of boosting the t1 cruisers & leaving the t2 untouched was a bit shortsighted. I would have prefered if they gave the t2 versions more shields or armor & more power. Otherwise the price differene is too great.

If CCP buffed said T2, wouldn't the price just go even higher? I'm thinking one of us is misunderstanding cause and effect here.

Right now I'd have to shell out an extra 165m for a slightly better ship.

How this is any different from the people who shell out an extra few million to fit their ship with a slightly better module, and tell people that you can't PVP without the best gear and skills at V, i'm not totally clear on. I don't see people abandoning the t2 ships as long as they have even a minute edge over the t1's.

I think your the one who is misunderstanding. By narrowing the gap they devalue the t2 equivalents.

Right now I'd have to shell out an extra 165m for a slightly better ship. Whereas, if we follow the logic of other t1/t2 ships, I should be getting a much better ship. If they keep this design & buff the t2 varient i'd be happy to pay more because it's worth more.

Example: Scythe / Scimitar. I don't find it worth the expense & the alliances with SRP's probably aren't too eager to refund scimitars when their t1 varients do just as well in a spider tanked setup. At least with the HACs (like the munin) they keep the existing cruiser bonuses & tack on optimal range & tracking bonuses. It's just overall a much better advancement on the orginal design.

Everyone who trained for logistics did so because there wasn't a t1 version available. I invite you to compare a fully trained scythe vs scimitar. The scythe has more range, does about 300 hp less per cycle (1300 vs 1600) has an extra low slot and similar power grid, shield, armor etc. It's like they were thinking backwards.

Those modules are optional. If you have the cash & don't mind the loss, then fine. But when we are discussing ships hulls (& their bonuses) there is nothing optional about them. EVeryone buys the same ship.

How this is any different from the people who shell out an extra few million to fit their ship with a slightly better module, and tell people that you can't PVP without the best gear and skills at V, i'm not totally clear on. I don't see people abandoning the t2 ships as long as they have even a minute edge over the t1's.