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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
737
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:55:00 -
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If you haven't figured it out already then allow me to explain it.
Null is about P2W. You're not out there to just pay your sub and play the game. That is, of course, unless you're one of the lucky few of the alliance leaders who have actually convinced their underlings that moon-goo is for alliance finances only and are able to use it as their own personal slush fund.
No, instead you're out there to put your caps on your plastic unless you stick your head far enough up the alliance leadership's arses to get them to support your game play. M'kay?
If you're going to null and expecting to fund your game farming then enjoy your 6mos DT while you work to afford another cap. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Dave stark
898
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:00:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote: I was mining during the Inferno update. So unless mining got completly overhauled during Retribution, my figures are right.
your figures are as right as i am when i say "the sky is made of cheese" Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2045
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:02:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:If you haven't figured it out already then allow me to explain it.
Null is about P2W. You're not out there to just pay your sub and play the game. That is, of course, unless you're one of the lucky few of the alliance leaders who have actually convinced their underlings that moon-goo is for alliance finances only and are able to use it as their own personal slush fund.
No, instead you're out there to put your caps on your plastic unless you stick your head far enough up the alliance leadership's arses to get them to support your game play. M'kay?
If you're going to null and expecting to fund your game farming then enjoy your 6mos DT while you work to afford another cap. That's odd, it doesn't seem that hard to me. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Capt Starfox
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:25:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:So unless mining got completly overhauled during Retribution, my figures are right.
Cat Troll wrote:You know what's the best ISK/hour? Scordite, veldspar right behind it.
Veldspar is not the number 2 ore to mine in High-sec; in fact, it is the worst. Kernite is what you want. If that's been raped out of system, then Pyroxeres/Plagioclase would be next. The only thing that Veldspar has is its abundance. |

Etherealclams
Clams ate my Narwhal
35
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:47:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:You are welcome to figure out who my alt is.
P.S
You will never find him because this is my only character.
Yeah, Because people name their main characters "Cat Troll". (USER WAS UNBANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
49
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:52:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Cat Troll wrote: I'm currently stationed in Romi where my corp has a high sec PoS, and i'm the industry leader of it.
So, the proposition is that they should buff your circumstance relative to NPC stations "for the good of the game"? No actually, the only reason I mentioned this was because that people thought I was from null sec. This was never in my mind while writing this post.
Etherealclams wrote:Cat Troll wrote:You are welcome to figure out who my alt is.
P.S
You will never find him because this is my only character.
Yeah, Because people name their main characters "Cat Troll".
People who like to troll their cats do. My other two characters that the only reason they exist was because I wanted to reserve the name: Kenneth Donnelly and Vortigaunt all knowing. They're still sitting in some newbie system and didn't even get a rookie ship. Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |

Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
261
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:59:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Malphilos wrote:Cat Troll wrote: I'm currently stationed in Romi where my corp has a high sec PoS, and i'm the industry leader of it.
So, the proposition is that they should buff your circumstance relative to NPC stations "for the good of the game"? No actually, the only reason I mentioned this was because that people thought I was from null sec. This was never in my mind while writing this post.
I understand. Just a happy coincidence that it works out that way.
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Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
49
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Posted - 2012.12.25 14:01:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Cat Troll wrote:Malphilos wrote:Cat Troll wrote: I'm currently stationed in Romi where my corp has a high sec PoS, and i'm the industry leader of it.
So, the proposition is that they should buff your circumstance relative to NPC stations "for the good of the game"? No actually, the only reason I mentioned this was because that people thought I was from null sec. This was never in my mind while writing this post. I understand. Just a happy coincidence that it works out that way. I also written that High sec PoS's would be limited compared to what stations were, so if I was really trying to say something for my benefit I wouldn't try to nerf myself now would I?
Dave stark wrote: your figures are as right as i am when i say "the sky is made of cheese"
6.3m per can of kernite, 20 mins (23 mins with t1 strips) to fill a retriever, 18.9m isk per hour.
takes about 30 seconds to do the correct maths and not look like a moron insisting you're right instead of actually researching the topic being discussed.
Didn't do the math, I looked at a clock >_> Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |

Dave stark
899
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Posted - 2012.12.25 14:28:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote:Dave stark wrote: your figures are as right as i am when i say "the sky is made of cheese"
6.3m per can of kernite, 20 mins (23 mins with t1 strips) to fill a retriever, 18.9m isk per hour.
takes about 30 seconds to do the correct maths and not look like a moron insisting you're right instead of actually researching the topic being discussed.
Didn't do the math, I looked at a clock >_>
please, never post again. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2045
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:08:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Cat Troll wrote:Dave stark wrote: your figures are as right as i am when i say "the sky is made of cheese"
6.3m per can of kernite, 20 mins (23 mins with t1 strips) to fill a retriever, 18.9m isk per hour.
takes about 30 seconds to do the correct maths and not look like a moron insisting you're right instead of actually researching the topic being discussed.
Didn't do the math, I looked at a clock >_> please, never post again. This might be good advice. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:36:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Dave stark wrote:Cat Troll wrote:Dave stark wrote: your figures are as right as i am when i say "the sky is made of cheese"
6.3m per can of kernite, 20 mins (23 mins with t1 strips) to fill a retriever, 18.9m isk per hour.
takes about 30 seconds to do the correct maths and not look like a moron insisting you're right instead of actually researching the topic being discussed.
Didn't do the math, I looked at a clock >_> please, never post again. This might be good advice. Gee, I agree with a Goon. Oh god, up is down, black is white, dogs and cats living together, aaaah! "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Dave stark
907
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:30:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Dave stark wrote:Cat Troll wrote:Dave stark wrote: your figures are as right as i am when i say "the sky is made of cheese"
6.3m per can of kernite, 20 mins (23 mins with t1 strips) to fill a retriever, 18.9m isk per hour.
takes about 30 seconds to do the correct maths and not look like a moron insisting you're right instead of actually researching the topic being discussed.
Didn't do the math, I looked at a clock >_> please, never post again. This might be good advice. Gee, I agree with a Goon. Oh god, up is down, black is white, dogs and cats living together, aaaah! you can let it slide, it's christmas. good will to all people and all that stuff. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
738
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:00:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: That's odd, it doesn't seem that hard to me.
I'm sure it doesn't. How's the weather in Mitten's colon?
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |

Captain Death1
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.12.25 17:24:00 -
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Reset the game set all skills of players to 0 remove all isk in game let them all start over then we nerf high sec
this will fix null and high sec |

Cat Troll
Systems Federation Coalition of Galactic Unity
62
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:17:00 -
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Captain Death1 wrote:Reset the game set all skills of players to 0 remove all isk in game let them all start over then we nerf high sec
this will fix null and high sec ....no *Sprays with water* Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off." |

Beekeeper Bob
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
322
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:20:00 -
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Why does it require nerfing? Highsec may now be the most dangerous sec, huge bounties placed on carebears seems to create entertaining results. Of course this may be exactly what CCP had in mind....After allowing an endless isk faucet to go unchecked in null for years, there is plenty of extra isk for griefing. 
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Ryder Lenberg
BBQ and Beer
0
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:20:00 -
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More Miners and Industrialists WOULD move to low and null sec, BUT Because of ppl continusly keeps attacking Mining Ships etc, most Wount leave High sec, i have personaly lost WAY to much to take the risk of Idiot Gate Campers etc that Blow up mining ships etc thats only on Movement or at mining fields..
Make it safer for Miners and industrialists, And more of us WILL Move
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Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
187
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:23:00 -
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+1 for nerfing highsec research/manufacturing/copy slots and/or increasing the fees significantly
-1 for the refining idea. This would do nothing but increase prices on low ends further (and disproportionately).
EDIT: To be clear, I view slot reductions as a change intended to rebalance risk/reward and make nullsec/lowsec industry more viable comparatively. Fee increases are something that should happen regardless to combat/account for inflation and to make highsec POSes more worthwhile. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2059
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:14:00 -
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Captain Death1 wrote:Reset the game set all skills of players to 0 remove all isk in game let them all start over then we nerf high sec
this will fix null and high sec Ok then. I hope you're ready to watch blobs of slashers. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
2604
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:32:00 -
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Cat Troll wrote: I remember seeing somewhere an industrialist say that he sells ships at a loss and makes a profit out of the modules. Yup, that's really smart!
I won't intrude in the umpteenth cry nerf thread but this sentence sort of hit me as expecially misplaced.
Go and read about what a loss leader is. Large companies (like Sony and Amazon) and many supermarkets do it. Apparently that's really smart!
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
349
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:57:00 -
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celebro wrote:No, there needs to be trade between high and null sec.
Good luck getting it past the gate camps. Oh wait, that's what all their alts are for, aren't they? They just blue their own hisec alts so that they can actually move stuff across the gatecamps. Now it makes sense.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2059
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:58:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:celebro wrote:No, there needs to be trade between high and null sec. Good luck getting it past the gate camps. Oh wait, that's what all their alts are for, aren't they? They just blue their own hisec alts so that they can actually move stuff across the gatecamps. Now it makes sense. So they can handle the risk, then we better nerf them. Put back the slots into highsec.
Oh, we're all done. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Dave stark
926
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:08:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Captain Death1 wrote:Reset the game set all skills of players to 0 remove all isk in game let them all start over then we nerf high sec
this will fix null and high sec Ok then. I hope you're ready to watch blobs of slashers.
i see your slashers, and raise you atrons. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:40:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:Nerf idiots.
This.
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James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1595
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:51:00 -
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celebro wrote:Nerf high sec and say bye bye to more than half the playerbase that live there. Oh for ****'s sake, will you people ever stop with this ridiculous argument? -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1595
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:52:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:celebro wrote:No, there needs to be trade between high and null sec. Good luck getting it past the gate camps. Oh wait, that's what all their alts are for, aren't they? They just blue their own hisec alts so that they can actually move stuff across the gatecamps. Now it makes sense. lol, you think we use gates. That's cute. -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |

Dave stark
929
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:58:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:celebro wrote:Nerf high sec and say bye bye to more than half the playerbase that live there. Oh for ****'s sake, will you people ever stop with this ridiculous argument?
i concur that this argument is ridiculous. saw some one in the npc corp today that didn't even realise the bounty system etc had changed.
nerf high sec and 50% of the player base won't even know or realise, let alone cancel their subscription over it. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.12.25 22:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:celebro wrote:Nerf high sec and say bye bye to more than half the playerbase that live there. Oh for ****'s sake, will you people ever stop with this ridiculous argument?
Half is of course exaggerated but whatever the amount of loss in real players/accounts would be I don't think is good for anyone.
Nerf high sec mission payouts didn't fixed low/null
Nerf high sec missions loot didn't fixed mining or low/null
[insert another of the numerous nerfs of high sec] didn't fixed low/null.
And imho no matter how bad the idea is, and you know there is a huge number around about nerf high sec, will ever fix low or null.
But keeps this kind of thread popping dozens of times per year, yeah, awesome emergent game play  |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1596
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Posted - 2012.12.25 23:01:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Nerf high sec mission payouts didn't fixed low/null Because the underlying problems weren't fixed. Did anyone unsubscribe over this?
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Nerf high sec missions loot didn't fixed mining or low/null Because the underlying problems weren't fixed. Did anyone unsubscribe over this?
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:[insert another of the numerous nerfs of high sec] didn't fixed low/null. Because the underlying problems weren't fixed. Did anyone unsubscribe over this? -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |

Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
119
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Posted - 2012.12.25 23:06:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Nerf high sec mission payouts didn't fixed low/null Because the underlying problems weren't fixed. Did anyone unsubscribe over this? Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:Nerf high sec missions loot didn't fixed mining or low/null Because the underlying problems weren't fixed. Did anyone unsubscribe over this? Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:[insert another of the numerous nerfs of high sec] didn't fixed low/null. Because the underlying problems weren't fixed. Did anyone unsubscribe over this?
so history teaches us that underlying problems were not fixed
guess what you can expect with another nerf? |
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