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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.12.25 18:43:00 -
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Stolen from Natsett Amuinn's post...
Quote:The "wider game" is what Soundwave is talking about when he says: Quote:NPC corporations are meant to be temporary spaces where people can go about their daily activities while searching for a player corporation. Currently the level of comfort they provide, both in terms of war declaration immunity and 0% tax, give them an inherent advantage over player corporations which was never intended. Hopefully, this will let player corporations compete on equal footing with NPC corporations.
We would prefer that players join player corporations, or other entities that shape the world of EVE at a higher degree than the NPC corporations do, due to their impersonal and somewhat isolated role. That said, this change is not implemented to GÇ£destroyGÇ¥ NPC corps, they should be considered a small motivation to join a player corporation, where you can develop and flourish as a player. NPC corps aren't being used for their intended purpose. They're being exploited for the increased safety with no penalty.
What with the changes made in Retribution I think it's high time that NPC corporations are reconsidered since they do not fit with the general flow of player activity intended by CCP.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Hannah Flex
Pettifogger Longshoremen
6
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Posted - 2012.12.25 18:52:00 -
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Tax ALL income of an NPC corp player by 50%
That'll get 'em out. Sure they'll just make their own 1 man corp and continue playing MMO's solo but at least you could wardec them for their shitposting on EVE-O  |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.12.25 18:55:00 -
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Tax would not affect miners but 50% makes sense as a bare minimum.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2012.12.25 18:57:00 -
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Completely agree that something should be done. Wardec immunity should come at a much steeper price than 11% tax on bounties. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
4861
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Posted - 2012.12.25 18:57:00 -
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Unless you're a well known forum poster 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2012.12.25 18:59:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Tax would not affect miners but 50% makes sense as a bare minimum.
Tax refining, tax market transactions, impose gate tolls and docking fees, increase clone and repair costs... NPC corp members shouldn't get an interaction-free ride through EVE. |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
739
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:01:00 -
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I've got a better idea for you nullsec'ers whining about HS. Do what HS'ers do:
1) PVP less
2) Farm more
3) ???
4) Profit
Honestly, I believe nullsec'er want magic isk faucets they can "set it and forget it" to make isk instead of having to work for it so you guys can pew all day all night playing grab ass with each other. Oh wait, you do have isk faucets called moon mining. Not HS's fault you're rolling over your profits to alliance leadership.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:01:00 -
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If anything, being in an NPC corp should mean you get treated like a pariah. You already get this treatment from other players, might as well have the NPC's behave consistently.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
3060
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:03:00 -
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Mr Kidd wrote:I've got a better idea for you nullsec'ers whining about HS. Do what HS'ers do:
1) PVP less
2) Farm more
3) ???
4) Profit
Honestly, I believe nullsec'er wnat magic isk faucets they can set it and forget it to make isk instead of having to work for it so you guys can pew all day all night playing grab ass with each other. Oh wait, you do have isk faucets called moon mining. Not HS's fault you're rolling over your profits to alliance leadership.
No one mentioned high sec vs null sec here.
No one mentioned PVP/PVE.
No one mentioned ISK faucets.
Tiresome alt trolling is not welcome here; kindly get out.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:10:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:If anything, being in an NPC corp should mean you get treated like a pariah. You already get this treatment from other players, might as well have the NPC's behave consistently.
Just from the point of lore. NPC corps are honoured by the presence of pod pilots within their lines since we have much more freedom to do things they can't.
It's a cheap way to prevent war decs that is true.
Beside that. Where is the problem? |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
324
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:15:00 -
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Miri Amatonur wrote:Where is the problem?
Miri Amatonur wrote: It's a cheap way to prevent war decs |
Etherealclams
Clams ate my Narwhal
53
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:15:00 -
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Increase taxes? Idk what can be done to make people leave npc corps.
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Captain Death1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:16:00 -
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I think what op is trying to say is the game needs to force you to play with him good luck with that roflol
they should reset game set sp to 0 and remove isk we all start over at same time then i will agree with you on all most anything
after all that would fix the game |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:17:00 -
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Individuals revering capsuleer presence is indeed an important element of New Eden but on a grander scale it does little to improve the image of these corporations.
As regards the problem, their needs to be more incentive for people to interact within this game and at present there is little reason to step out of the NPC corporations unless you wish to run a POS, outpost or build a reputation. Everyone should be encouraged to spread their wings.
It's hardly a game-changing issue but I know it's of interest to CCP to encourage player interaction and as such I'm just hoping to catch their attention.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:25:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Individuals revering capsuleer presence is indeed an important element of New Eden but on a grander scale it does little to improve the image of these corporations.
As regards the problem, their needs to be more incentive for people to interact within this game and at present there is little reason to step out of the NPC corporations unless you wish to run a POS, outpost or build a reputation. Everyone should be encouraged to spread their wings.
It's hardly a game-changing issue but I know it's of interest to CCP to encourage player interaction and as such I'm just hoping to catch their attention.
There are alot of incentitives to step out and join player run corporations. There may be some individuals who prefer to play an MMORPG alone but most of us are here to play together with other players.
It's the social aspect that drives us to form communities and leave the npc ones. |
Pyre leFay
The Scope
Gallente Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:29:00 -
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A very high tax on rats and missions would be perfect to get Mission runners out into the world despite most would then go into personal small corps. That's fine.
Yet you cant encourage NPC corp members from mining in any conventional method. Which are their biggest use.
Increasing station refine take % on NPC corps wouldn't work.
Nor market tax on raw ore for npcs.
Any detrimental effect after the act of acquiring the ore can be sidestepped with a alt in a personal corp like a market alt.
Whatever the drawback, it needs to be taken before beam hits rock.
Yet then groups of individuals, or even groups of alts would each make personal corps and so you could only ever wardec 1 at a time.
Which stems from a problem with the ease to create solo corps. Yet would it be bad to make them harder to create?
The simplest solution I think is to just let people under 90 days old fall back into a safe NPC school.
After 90, they fall back into conscription FW with the empire you have highest standing with when not in a player corp. The negative cross empire hate could be temporary as a conscript until you leave.
For those that have been unsubscribed for over 3 months, your safe NPC school time could be reset. |
Captain Death1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:35:00 -
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The the game needs reset so we are all be on the same footing when the new rules go in to place if that ever happens
now that you have ten years and trills of isk you want a rule change right lol
are maybe they should just run off the vet players and let the game grow and make more money
what you guys are asking for and op is for them to make less money why would anyone want to do that not your money what do you care |
Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
185
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:43:00 -
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I think CCP should look at expanding corporation taxes as a whole (i.e. taxes on reprocessing, market transactions, etc. at the corp and/or alliance level). This could then be implemented for NPC corps. I do not think that the bounty tax for NPC corps needs to go higher than ~15%. I also do not think that this is a particularly pressing issue in the grand scheme of things. |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
91
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:43:00 -
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Some Rando wrote:Miri Amatonur wrote:Where is the problem? Miri Amatonur wrote: It's a cheap way to prevent war decs
Just lol!
Whenever I get Wardecced I leave my corp and make another one. Takes ~1 mil to do so and like 1 min of my time.
I just love those nullbear tears after 3-4 useless tries or even much more.
Someone lost like 200mil for nothing. Makes me giggle hard.
"Adapt" - means you have to stop using the ship you like and start flying Drake or Tengu like the rest nullbear newbs. |
Randolph Rothstein
whatever corp.
109
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:44:00 -
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if ccp somehow managed to nerf NPC corps. i will create player corp - lets call it "the genlemens lounge"
there will be no talk policy (no chat policy respectively) and players will be strictly encouraged not to engage in social aspect of the game
we will pretend wearing top hats and monocles and we will spend our eve time not talking to each other and generally doing everything solo
in case of wardec we will twist our evil moustaches and quietly judge the warmongers while promptly disbanding the corporation while creating another corporation with the same goals under different name
every spy would inevitably fail
every hatemail would be met with condescending silence
photos of cute puppies allowed
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:45:00 -
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I love when people are proud and act tough about their own cowardice and failing.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
4868
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:48:00 -
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I don't need your approval 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
91
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Posted - 2012.12.25 19:48:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:I love when people are proud and act tough about their own cowardice and failing.
Me too! Want to share your experiance?
"Adapt" - means you have to stop using the ship you like and start flying Drake or Tengu like the rest nullbear newbs. |
Solhild
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
863
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:04:00 -
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NPC corps from opposing empires should permanently be at war.
Also, tax should be 50% for characters over one month old.
Merry Christmas |
Funky Lazers
Shin-Ra Ltd
91
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:09:00 -
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Yeah, and if you don't pay your 50% tax little elfs come out to wardec you permanently.
"Adapt" - means you have to stop using the ship you like and start flying Drake or Tengu like the rest nullbear newbs. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:10:00 -
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Solhild wrote:NPC corps from opposing empires should permanently be at war.
Also, tax should be 50% for characters over one month old.
Merry Christmas
This would be excellent. You should automatically be shot at by opposing Navies.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
4447
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:15:00 -
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Heh, this is how I remember Lady Spank, spouting out stuff that I disagree with.
Due to the new Crimewatch mechanic, there should be plenty of targets for you to shoot at without having to cry about players in NPC corps. As for the players in NPC corps, what's it matter to you anyway? What, you don't like the corp jumpers who constantly leave player corps when they get a WarDec? Can't find enough easy targets to gank?
Heh, too bad.
Try posting a proposal in the Assemble Hall to limit the amount of times a player can leave and rejoin the same player corp within a certain time frame. Or if the player corp has a WarDec then no members can leave while the WarDec is active, etc.
Now if you want to include NPC Corps in the WarDec mechanic, then you're just asking for a lot of trouble.
Like no docking access in that corps stations, being attacked by station guns whenever you're in range, having the other allied NPC corps also not allow you access to their stations as well as attacking too. If you think you'll just be fighting players in one specific NPC corp and still be allowed to access it's services, you can forget about that. Since the NPC Corps all belong to a Faction, you'll also have to contend with Faction NPC's fighting and helping the player members in those NPC corps.
Anyway, this game is all about having different options and a variety of choices available. Trying to force people to play this game one certain way will only encourage lower subscription numbers.
DMC |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:22:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Like no docking access in that corps stations, being attacked by station guns whenever you're in range, having the other allied NPC corps also not allow you access to their stations as well as attacking too. If you think you'll just be fighting players in one specific NPC corp and still be allowed to access it's services, you can forget about that. Since the NPC Corps all belong to a Faction, you'll also have to contend with Faction NPC's fighting and helping the player members in those NPC corps.
This sounds amazing. I'd totally go for it.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Sentamon
414
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:31:00 -
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Enjoy your 75% drop in subs.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Pyre leFay
The Scope
Gallente Federation
166
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:37:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Enjoy your 75% drop in subs.
58% of all subscription speculation about 75% un-subscription reaction to any form of change is fictitious 100% of the time. |
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