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Avon	Posted - 2005.06.02 14:54:00 - [91] The problem here was someone putting expensive stuff in a cheap ship. It was stupid, and it is everybody's duty to take advantage of stupid people. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.02 14:55:00 - [92] Maybe if you are unjustly destroyed in high sec empire space (1.0-0.8) your loot can is considered stolen property for the next 24 hours, and anyone who tries to pick it up in that timeframe will be hit by concord??? ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.02 14:56:00 - [93] Quote: The problem here was someone putting expensive stuff in a cheap ship. That should not be a problem in 1.0 space... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:04:00 - [94] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: The problem here was someone putting expensive stuff in a cheap ship. That should not be a problem in 1.0 space... Why not? CCP clearly state that no space is meant to be 100% safe. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:09:00 - [95] Quote: Why not? CCP clearly state that no space is meant to be 100% safe. C'mon Avon, when have you even known me to agree with CCP I just wish CCP could give players like that something better to do. 1.0 space should be a waste of time for players like Lallante... But that's EVE... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:17:00 - [96] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Why not? CCP clearly state that no space is meant to be 100% safe. C'mon Avon, when have you even known me to agree with CCP I just wish CCP could give players like that something better to do. 1.0 space should be a waste of time for players like Lallante... But that's EVE... Blame it on the superhighway, I do. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:27:00 - [97] Quote: Blame it on the superhighway, I do. Yeah... yeah, Superhighways, Avon's Anti-Panacea... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:29:00 - [98] Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Blame it on the superhighway, I do. Yeah... yeah, Superhighways, Avon's Anti-Panacea... Well, ask yourself why this guy was buying all his stuff in Yulai? Regionalisation 4tw. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:39:00 - [99] Quote: Well, ask yourself why this guy was buying all his stuff in Yulai? Regionalisation 4tw. Well, you are right on that, but it does not explian the game mechanics that allow the suicide attacks to happen with a large imballance in risk vs reward... In any event, If CCP deems it ok, I guess the guy in the hauler is 100% to blame for his loss... CCP is GOD, and if that's what they say, then so be it... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
clone349	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:45:00 - [100] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Blame it on the superhighway, I do. Yeah... yeah, Superhighways, Avon's Anti-Panacea... Well, ask yourself why this guy was buying all his stuff in Yulai? Regionalisation 4tw. ...ask yourself, "why blame the criminals when I can just blame the victims?" that will keep any blame off those that use exploits (is avon/huff one of those using these exploits??? is this why he/they defend the exploiters so much???) don't blame the victim! blame the criminal! ban the exploit users first, then let them whine to get back in. That will ensure they KNOW they will be punished, instead of getting warning after warning after warning...
Matthew	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:53:00 - [101] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Blame it on the superhighway, I do. Yeah... yeah, Superhighways, Avon's Anti-Panacea... Well, ask yourself why this guy was buying all his stuff in Yulai? Regionalisation 4tw. Actually, I don't see how it's relevant in this particular case. Even in regionalised economies, there's going to be a central trade system for the area. All regionalisation will do is mean we have one Yulai per region, rather than one for the whole of eve. So people will still be buying all their stuff from one place. The only possible advantage is thta you'll only have one region's worth of suicide gankers out to get you, rather than all of them. You can suicide gank just as well without the highways.
MutationZ	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:53:00 - [102] Just the slight problem that its not an exploit.
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:56:00 - [103] Originally by: clone349 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Blame it on the superhighway, I do. Yeah... yeah, Superhighways, Avon's Anti-Panacea... Well, ask yourself why this guy was buying all his stuff in Yulai? Regionalisation 4tw. ...ask yourself, "why blame the criminals when I can just blame the victims?" that will keep any blame off those that use exploits (is avon/huff one of those using these exploits??? is this why he/they defend the exploiters so much???) don't blame the victim! blame the criminal! ban the exploit users first, then let them whine to get back in. That will ensure they KNOW they will be punished, instead of getting warning after warning after warning... Sorry, did I miss something? As far as I can see there was no exploit used here. Some clever people watched the market in the trade centre of the universe. They saw a rich dude pack loads of valuable stuff in a cheap and weak ship. One guy mugged him, and his mate did a runner with the takings. As to blaming the victims .. why not? ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.06.02 15:56:00 - [104] Quote: Just the slight problem that its not an exploit. IMO, it's exploiting weak game mechanics. But I'm not CCP, so it appears legal... Whatever you want to call it, it's a form of combat PVP which pits the very weak against the very strong... A situation MMO's normally try to avoid... ------------------------------------------------ "for piece sakes!"
Avon	Posted - 2005.06.02 16:00:00 - [105] Originally by: Matthew Actually, I don't see how it's relevant in this particular case. Even in regionalised economies, there's going to be a central trade system for the area. All regionalisation will do is mean we have one Yulai per region, rather than one for the whole of eve. So people will still be buying all their stuff from one place. The only possible advantage is thta you'll only have one region's worth of suicide gankers out to get you, rather than all of them. You can suicide gank just as well without the highways. It is relevant because with the system as it is now there is ONE place to get all your expensive stuff. Everything is there. All in one system. Mostly in one station. It doesn't make it hard to work out where to go to pick a target. It is the customer comming to the seller problem - insta's encourage that. In a regionalised universe this guy would have put out a buy order and a specialist trader would have assumed the risk and filled it, making a profit in the process. ______________________________________________ Never argue with idiots. They will just drag it down to their level, and then beat you through experience.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2005.06.02 16:00:00 - [106] Argh, the flames, the trolling. Thread locked for flaming and trolling. Gm's still decide whether something is or isn't an exloit. The GM's are aware of this occuring in yulai and let's leave it in their capable hands to decide if there needs to be anything done against it. Jul Nantu, if you are going to transport valuables it's the best thing not to tell a soul about it, to ensure there is only a tiny chance they will pick you instead of the other 100 players in yulai. I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Petra Arkanas	Posted - 2005.06.02 16:05:00 - [107] Petra occasionally redistrubutes ore in Oursulaert, she also redistributes secure cans that are not secured. in the process of doing this last weeken, Petras Badger was attacked by a Brutix. Petra survived the onslaught whilst Concord pounded the 'offender' into a pod. Petra then scooped the dropped loot and made off. Petra has less than a million skill points and cannot use T2 goodies. Moral of this story - A competently setup hauler can survive an attack in secure space (well, maybe i was lucky) P.S. Kudos to the agrieved parties in this case, Petra deserved to be shot at, and the loss of a 30 million isk battlecruiser and a lot of tech 2 gear to make a point is impressive. - I let the guys keep their (un)Secure can. P.P.S. Petra is an Alt, hence this post being written in third party. As a further aside, Yulai has just become a hell of a lot more dangerous since this thread was started - every pirates alt and his buddy will now be hanging out with a scanner and a load of heavy missiles.
clone349	Posted - 2005.06.02 16:08:00 - [108] Originally by: Avon Originally by: clone349 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Bhaal Quote: Blame it on the superhighway, I do. Yeah... yeah, Superhighways, Avon's Anti-Panacea... Well, ask yourself why this guy was buying all his stuff in Yulai? Regionalisation 4tw. ...ask yourself, "why blame the criminals when I can just blame the victims?" that will keep any blame off those that use exploits (is avon/huff one of those using these exploits??? is this why he/they defend the exploiters so much???) don't blame the victim! blame the criminal! ban the exploit users first, then let them whine to get back in. That will ensure they KNOW they will be punished, instead of getting warning after warning after warning... Sorry, did I miss something? As far as I can see there was no exploit used here. Some clever people watched the market in the trade centre of the universe. They saw a rich dude pack loads of valuable stuff in a cheap and weak ship. One guy mugged him, and his mate did a runner with the takings. As to blaming the victims .. why not? the collector had/has NO RISK. the tackler and collector were/are not ganged. collector is not flagged. there is no way to stop the collector from STEALING the loot. nobody can shoot the collector. there is no risk to the collector. thus there is an exploit. the risk/reward ratio is not there! ...blaming the victim is what the criminals do. Now we all know huff and avon support and condone criminal acts. Time to use the same tactics on Huff at every turn!

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